The Hope of Garrett

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I know some of the shine has come off Jason's star of late but I find this unique difference between he and Wade.

I think at this point Wade is who he is. He's said as much. He's not going to change the way he coaches. Yet most have had concerns from day 1 about whether the guy's warm folksy approach can help players and team's correct course when necessary. We're wringing our hands mightily as we speak.

For me, the appeal of Jason Garrett isn't so much about what he did with our offense last year and early this year. That's also why the current struggles on offense (which I consider mainly to be the O-line and Romo's injury) don't really change my opinion.

For me the appeal of Garrett has more to do with who he is as a person. Smart, grounded, balanced, & young enough to still learn. Of course he'd get no consideration if he didn't also have a significant football pedigree albeit limited by his age.

If JG has the character I think he does he'll also have the stuff necessary to keep Jerry balanced. I'm very concerned that Wade doesn't - no great surprise.

If JG is who he appears to be, and the job does open up, I'd prefer a 10 year contract for him as HC to a 3 year deal with Bill Cowher or other "hot" candidate.

I'm tired of having this franchise yanked back and forth by changes at HC every 3-4 years. I think the lack of stability has cost this franchise dearly.

If Garrett becomes the HC of the Cowboys next year or even 3 years from now there will be growing pains I suspect. But I also suspect they will be well worth it in the long run if Jerry can see the wisdom of a long term approach rather than constant microwaving.
 

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CoCo;2366028 said:
I know some of the shine has come off Jason's star of late but I find this unique difference between he and Wade.

I think at this point Wade is who he is. He's said as much. He's not going to change the way he coaches. Yet most have had concerns from day 1 about whether the guy's warm folksy approach can help players and team's correct course when necessary. We're wringing our hands mightily as we speak.

For me, the appeal of Jason Garrett isn't so much about what he did with our offense last year and early this year. That's also why the current struggles on offense (which I consider mainly to be the O-line and Romo's injury) don't really change my opinion.

For me the appeal of Garrett has more to do with who he is as a person. Smart, grounded, balanced, & young enough to still learn. Of course he'd get no consideration if he didn't also have a significant football pedigree albeit limited by his age.

If JG has the character I think he does he'll also have the stuff necessary to keep Jerry balanced. I'm very concerned that Wade doesn't - no great surprise.

If JG is who he appears to be, and the job does open up, I'd prefer a 10 year contract for him as HC to a 3 year deal with Bill Cowher or other "hot" candidate.

I'm tired of having this franchise yanked back and forth by changes at HC every 3-4 years. I think the lack of stability has cost this franchise dearly.

If Garrett becomes the HC of the Cowboys next year or even 3 years from now there will be growing pains I suspect. But I also suspect they will be well worth it in the long run if Jerry can see the wisdom of a long term approach rather than constant microwaving.

Nice post and spot on about Red's character. But, the experience level is what I believe most of us are concerned about. His ascension has happened quickly and a lot assumptions have been made.

If bringing in Cowher would allow for JG to get more experience - especially from a coach of Cowher's calliber - I'm all for it. But, if another HC comes in, that doesn't automatically mean Garrett stays. That would be something Jerry would have to insist on. Cowher may not go for that if he can't bring in his own guy.
 

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My worry is that right now I'm not sold that Garrett could handle running a whole team. The guy doesn't seem capable of adjusting the offensive gameplan to give his offense a better shot against what defenses are doing so I'm not sure how I'm supposed to believe that he can make those kinds of adjustments for an entire team.
 

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Your head coach doesn't have to be a playcalling genius, an innovative playmaker. He doesn't have to be young or old, fiery or passive. He doesn't even need to know what the ******* plays are.

But he does need to be determined. He need to be a motivator. He needs to be able to convince the troops that they're capable of so much more than they actually are. And when times are tough, he needs to be more confident than ever. Our last two coaches have lacked that big time. It's not an issue of scheme or fire or outdated defense or camp cupcake. Our last two head coaches have been game-quitters, people who fold the second you hit them in the mouth.

Subsequently we've got a team full of game-quitters.

Maybe the Great Red Hype can remedy the situation.
 

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CoCo;2366028 said:
I'm tired of having this franchise yanked back and forth by changes at HC every 3-4 years. I think the lack of stability has cost this franchise dearly.


Amen.
 

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the DoNkEy PuNcH;2366042 said:
Nice post and spot on about Red's character. But, the experience level is what I believe most of us are concerned about. His ascension has happened quickly and a lot assumptions have been made.

If bringing in Cowher would allow for JG to get more experience - especially from a coach of Cowher's calliber - I'm all for it. But, if another HC comes in, that doesn't automatically mean Garrett stays. That would be something Jerry would have to insist on. Cowher may not go for that if he can't bring in his own guy.

For me, the real appeal of Garrett is not just his "talent" but also long term stability for this franchise at HC. I'm willing to live with the growing pains necessary to secure that.

I'm still concerned that JG will go elsewhere if we don't offer the HC job soon. I still believe that $$ won't keep this guy patient for very long and I'm not sure its real good for many HC's to have their heir apparent so obviously a part of their staff.

I'm not launching this campaign right now. There are things that need to play out. Maybe its not time. I'm just defining what it is about Garrett that most appeals to me and I think its pretty hard to find.
 

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For me, the concern has been and continues to be, can he adjust?...I am beginning to wonder if he has that in him or if he can adjust quickly enough...There was as stretch early last season where you could see from one half to the next, adjustments to unleash the offense...Then it faded in the last quarter of the season...We're seeing it again now...I think that part concerns me ala the Turner days
 

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BraveHeartFan;2366046 said:
My worry is that right now I'm not sold that Garrett could handle running a whole team. The guy doesn't seem capable of adjusting the offensive gameplan to give his offense a better shot against what defenses are doing so I'm not sure how I'm supposed to believe that he can make those kinds of adjustments for an entire team.

Personally, I think we need to avoid sweeping conclusions about the "struggles" of this offense.

  1. I do believe the O-line is underachieving the last few weeks. Some of that is Proctor versus Kosier, some of it probably goes beyond that.
  2. Some of the concern about our offense has been TO being taken out of the game. From memory :eek: I think our overall offensive numbers have still been pretty good even when TO's been neutralized. I'll let teams pick their poison as long as they're truly poisoned.
  3. Last weeks O, with a crumbling O-line, no Julius & no Romo? I'm not gonna get all knee-jerky about that just yet.
I'm not at all absolving Garrett. I just think it'd be a bit impulsive to draw conclusions about Garrett based on the last few weeks overall results.
 

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Also, people need to stop thinking Great Coordinator = Great Head coach.

Just stop with that already.

Tony Sparano was maligned here big time, blamed for the crappiness of our offensive line and unimaginative offense. I wanted him as head coach because I liked his enthusiasm and attitude from what we could see with limited access. He was public enemy number 1, after Bill I guess.

Now he's got a team in Miami looking very respectable. They are at least playing their hearts out and playing tough for the guy, even though they have next to no legitimate talent.

So don't think that you can judge Garrett's possible worth as a head coach by how he calls and designs his offense, or how you perceive his job performance. "Coordinating" has very little to do with being a leader of men. Ask guys like Norv Turner and Mike Martz.
 

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FCBarca;2366061 said:
For me, the concern has been and continues to be, can he adjust?...I am beginning to wonder if he has that in him or if he can adjust quickly enough...There was as stretch early last season where you could see from one half to the next, adjustments to unleash the offense...Then it faded in the last quarter of the season...We're seeing it again now...I think that part concerns me ala the Turner days

There may not appear to be clear cut evidence of his "adjustment" capability in the last few weeks but I still believe he'll be just fine in that arena over time. Its a chance I'm willing to take when that time comes.
 

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He needs to get rid of the 2 yard out pattern, when the Cowboys need like 7 yards for a first down. It reminds me Coslett...
 

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Garrett hasn't shown me anything to make me believe he's ready to be an OC, let alone our next HC.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2366439 said:
if TO is held to two catches or less again there's no hope in Garrett is a HC.

Im not saying JG isn't a great Coordinator. I actually like him and think he is taking a lot of undeserved heat.

But being a great Coordinator doesn't translate into being a great HC.

If Garrett is a bigtime leader than he will be a bigtime HC.
 

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If people think that Garrett will stay if we bring in another HC, they are delusional. Garrett can get a head coaching job any time he wants.

I agree with CoCo that I want long term coaching stability on this team and I think that JG can give us that so long as he keeps control of what happens on the field and doesn't allow Jerry to undermine his authority with the players. The guy's played for a dynasty and knows what it takes. He's also played for hard nosed coaches and soft pushovers. He knows...Red Jesus knows.........
 
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