The Jimmy Johnson Era

[Red Dragon]

I can say the sky is blue, the grass is green, and the sand is white on Longboat Key, and whether or not you choose to acknowledge it as true does absolutely nothing to validate or negate it whatsoever. You can call it SPIN just because it refutes what you post or you dont agree with it, but it doesnt make it SPIN. You can SPIN however you want and claim others are the SPINNERS, but your SPIN is SPIN nevertheless. And thats why you are the resident SPIN Doctor here on CZ!

Lol, yes. Agree.

 

[KJJ]

I can say the sky is blue, the grass is green, and the sand is white on Longboat Key, and whether or not you choose to acknowledge it as true does absolutely nothing to validate or negate it whatsoever. You can call it SPIN just because it refutes what you post or you dont agree with it, but it doesnt make it SPIN. You can SPIN however you want and claim others are the SPINNERS, but your SPIN is SPIN nevertheless. And thats why you are the resident SPIN Doctor here on CZ!

Saying the sky is blue, the grass is green and the sand is white on Keyboat Key has nothing to do with how you choose to interpret comments from TV or from fans on this board. Regardless of what Moose said or didn't say you SPIN comments from fans on this board....FACT! If you can't find something incriminating you'll put a SPIN on something it's been a reoccurring theme with you just like your Eli agenda you keep denying. Fans post comments and you give your own take...SPIN! Your SPINS are all over the board and your only defense is to continue SPINNING.

You're now SPINNING that I'm the resident spin doctor. :laugh2: You refute what's posted with your own interpretation...SPIN! When you have an issue with someone you SPIN their comments. If I say Romo has one playoff win and so does Tebow you'll SPIN that I'm saying Tebow is just as good as Romo. Am I lying? Just the other day a fan posted that Tebow had a playoff win with Denver and that Peyton Manning didn't and you SPUN that into them saying they clearly said Tebow is better than Manning. This is all coming from a guy who claims he doesn't SPIN anything and tells it like it is. Stop living in denial better yet stop SPINNING comments and get real!

 

[jterrell]

Had Jimmy's intense coaching style been an issue the coaches on his staff would have burned out the first few seasons. It wasn't pretty in 89 and 90. Never once heard any of the coaches on Jimmy's staff say anything negative about his style. He was demanding like all great coaches are from Lombardi to Noll.

Can't ever recall hearing any coach say that a coach they worked under burned them out. Coaching is a tough demanding business that involves long hours and dedication. All coaches from head coaches to assistants are prepared for it. If an assistant coach can't handle the heat of working under a successful head coach then they won't have what it takes to become a head coach themselves which is what they all aspire to be one day.

If the players weren't burning out under Jimmy the coaches wouldn't of especially with all the success the Cowboys were having. I suspect had Jimmy stayed around he would have mellowed at least some with age.

A few salient points here.

Jimmy wasn't staying around. He has stated so himself in print and media. He was fairly burned out and had no desire to keep going here. He also couldn't push 2x SB Champs like he did kids in 90/91 to get them to where they went.

Jimmy went through a lot of coaches. Hard to argue his impact on them when many moved on rapidly through promotion or were fired.

Jimmy never sustained success anywhere. ANYWHERE.
From 1965 til he retired he never stayed in one spot more than 5 years.

He was a guy who liked new challenges.

Jerry probably cut him loose a year early and made it easy on Jimmy buy giving him the buy out but Jimmy wasn't long for Dallas period.

When Jimmy left we sucked at gathering personnel but make no mistake Jimmy couldn't prevent Troy's concussions not Irvin's playing on that craphole Philly field. After 1996 we weren't going to have the best talent in the league whether Jimmy was here or not.

The issue wasn't losing Jimmy. It was never replacing him until BP came in.

 

[KJJ]

A few salient points here.

Jimmy wasn't staying around. He has stated so himself in print and media. He was fairly burned out and had no desire to keep going here. He also couldn't push 2x SB Champs like he did kids in 90/91 to get them to where they went.

Jimmy went through a lot of coaches. Hard to argue his impact on them when many moved on rapidly through promotion or were fired.

Jimmy never sustained success anywhere. ANYWHERE.
From 1965 til he retired he never stayed in one spot more than 5 years.

He was a guy who liked new challenges.

Jerry probably cut him loose a year early and made it easy on Jimmy buy giving him the buy out but Jimmy wasn't long for Dallas period.

When Jimmy left we sucked at gathering personnel but make no mistake Jimmy couldn't prevent Troy's concussions not Irvin's playing on that craphole Philly field. After 1996 we weren't going to have the best talent in the league whether Jimmy was here or not.

The issue wasn't losing Jimmy. It was never replacing him until BP came in.

I think most knew Jimmy wasn't staying around as you mentioned he never stayed longer than 5 years anywhere. Jimmy wanted out and rocked the boat during the Cowboys playoff run in 93 by mentioning coaching the expansion Jax team. That burned Jerry which led to his comments during the Cowboys SB celebration about any one of 500 coaches could have won those 2 SB's.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Saying the sky is blue, the grass is green and the sand is white on Keyboat Key has nothing to do with how you choose to interpret comments from TV or from fans on this board. Regardless of what Moose said or didn't say you SPIN comments from fans on this board....FACT! If you can't find something incriminating you'll put a SPIN on something it's been a reoccurring theme with you just like your Eli agenda you keep denying. Fans post comments and you give your own take...SPIN! Your SPINS are all over the board and your only defense is to continue SPINNING.

You're now SPINNING that I'm the resident spin doctor. :laugh2: You refute what's posted with your own interpretation...SPIN! When you have an issue with someone you SPIN their comments. If I say Romo has one playoff win and so does Tebow you'll SPIN that I'm saying Tebow is just as good as Romo. Am I lying? Just the other day a fan posted that Tebow had a playoff win with Denver and that Peyton Manning didn't and you SPUN that into them saying they clearly said Tebow is better than Manning. This is all coming from a guy who claims he doesn't SPIN anything and tells it like it is. Stop living in denial better yet stop SPINNING comments and get real!

Spin away bro. Keep on spinning until you get this thread closed. At the rate you've been getting threads closed lately you might set some kind of new CZ record.

You've latched on to this new Peyton Manning spin topic with Tebow. IN the context of the discussion the poster compared Tebow's playoff wins in Denver to Peyton's losses. By any NORMAL standard of reading and writing, a reader of the comment can see what the writer was trying to communicate with his comments. Tebow won a playoff game in Denver and Manning did not. NORMALLY, in the context of the discussion it would be obvious to anyone with adequate reading comprehension skills that the writer is elevating Tebow's success as it is being compared to the lack of success by the future HOF QB. Would a competent reader take that as the poster stating that Peyton has been a better QB? A better QB in Denver? Obviously, even a 3rd grader could see what the poster said. What the poster may have meant and what he said could be two entirely different things, but the READER can only go by what was SAID. And that is why I asked in my post if the writer was saying Tebow was better than Manning. Its why I gave him the opportunity to clarify as I said he at least implied it or it could be taken that way.

Writer states something and Reader asks writer if writer actually meant what writer stated. Only in your fantasy world is that SPIN. Out here in the real world we ALL recognize your SPIN for what it is - SPIN!

Better luck on you next SPIN cycle.

Oh and BTW, try not to get any more threads closed bro.

 

[KJJ]

Spin away bro. Keep on spinning until you get this thread closed. At the rate you've been getting threads closed lately you might set some kind of new CZ record.

You've latched on to this new Peyton Manning spin topic with Tebow. IN the context of the discussion the poster compared Tebow's playoff wins in Denver to Peyton's losses. By any NORMAL standard of reading and writing, a reader of the comment can see what the writer was trying to communicate with his comments. Tebow won a playoff game in Denver and Manning did not. NORMALLY, in the context of the discussion it would be obvious to anyone with adequate reading comprehension skills that the writer is elevating Tebow's success as it is being compared to the lack of success by the future HOF QB. Would a competent reader take that as the poster stating that Peyton has been a better QB? A better QB in Denver? Obviously, even a 3rd grader could see what the poster said. What the poster may have meant and what he said could be two entirely different things, but the READER can only go by what was SAID. And that is why I asked in my post if the writer was saying Tebow was better than Manning. Its why I gave him the opportunity to clarify as I said he at least implied it or it could be taken that way.

Writer states something and Reader asks writer if writer actually meant what writer stated. Only in your fantasy world is that SPIN. Out here in the real world we ALL recognize your SPIN for what it is - SPIN!

Better luck on you next SPIN cycle.

Oh and BTW, try not to get any more threads closed bro.

A thread was closed 2 weeks ago because you got completely off topic repeatedly posting one pic after another of Jessica Simpson. Care to deny it? All anyone has to do is go review the final page of the thread to verify it. A thread was closed a couple of days ago because you and 2 others were focused on me and not the topic. Anyone who reviews that thread we'll see that I was trying to keep the discussion on topic but you and the others would have none of it.

As for the fan who said Tebow won a playoff game in Denver and Peyton Manning didn't what he was saying was that the great Peyton Manning didn't win a playoff game in Denver but Tebow who can't even hit the broadside of a barn consistently from 15 yards away won a playoff game in Denver and for you to chew on that. It was crystal clear what he was implying but being the SPIN DOCTOR you are spun it in the most ridiculous way because that's your MO. You don't ask anyone what they meant you put your own SPIN on it....FACT!

You've been doing it ever since I became aware of you last Dec. You SPIN crap all the time all anyone has to do is get into a disagreement with you and you'll SPIN everything they say like a top. You have a habit of doing it and you can't stop. Your sad MO along with your Eli agenda you also keep denying isn't going to change until you come to grips with it.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

A thread was closed 2 weeks ago because you got completely off topic repeatedly posting one pic after another of Jessica Simpson. Care to deny it? All anyone has to do is go review the final page of the thread to verify it. A thread was closed a couple of days ago because you and 2 others were focused on me and not the topic. Anyone who reviews that thread we'll see that I was trying to keep the discussion on topic but you and the others would have none of it.

As for the fan who said Tebow won a playoff game in Denver and Peyton Manning didn't what he was saying was that the great Peyton Manning didn't win a playoff game in Denver but Tebow who can't even hit the broadside of a barn consistently from 15 yards away won a playoff game in Denver and for you to chew on that. It was crystal clear what he was implying but being the SPIN DOCTOR you are spun it in the most ridiculous way because that's your MO. You don't ask anyone what they meant you put your own SPIN on it....FACT!

You've been doing it ever since I became aware of you last Dec. You SPIN crap all the time all anyone has to do is get into a disagreement with you and you'll SPIN everything they say like a top. You have a habit of doing it and you can't stop. Your sad MO along with your Eli agenda you also keep denying isn't going to change until you come to grips with it.

Forget Jessica. How about the threads that were closed because you were posting about how you always win your arguments. You always deflect and spin but the Jessica thread was just a silly thread. Somebody might not have liked pics of a fat Jessica. Maybe a lil sensitive feeling got hurt. But dude, you were on a roll getting threads closed with your argumentative posting.

You make a big deal about me "spinning" just because I dont buy into your E-Lie adoration. Im not all that impressed with the guy. Nothing, not one thing Ive ever posted about E-Lie is spin. Its just not what you agree with, but its not spin. Its simply the truth.

So keep on spinning and accuse others of it. Spin all you want doctor, but we all know you are the master of spin. Every post you make is written proof that you have your Spin- h-D.

 

[KJJ]

Forget Jessica. How about the threads that were closed because you were posting about how you always win your arguments.

Sure you want to forget Jessica it's all the pics of her you posted that got the first thread closed 2 weeks ago. Care to deny it? You won't deny it because you know it's the truth. Show me a thread that was closed because I was posting about how I always win arguments? Just another SPIN! You prove everything I say about you with every post you submit. :toast:

You always deflect and spin but the Jessica thread was just a silly thread.

For your information the thread that was closed wasn't a "Jessica" thread it was a "Romo" thread discussing his weight. You started posting pic after pic of Jessica which got the thread closed. You then started another Romo fat thread posting more pics of Jessica. That thread got vaporized. You got bashed by several for starting another Romo fat thread after we had already beat the topic like a dead horse in the thread you got closed but once you get started on something you don't stop which is why you keep SPINNING. Others have commented on your MO so you need to open your eyes.

But dude, you were on a roll getting threads closed with your argumentative posting

Differing opinions and debates don't get threads closed it's fans like you who target the poster and not their post. I come here to discuss football while some of you would rather focus on me and make it personal. All anyone has to do is go back to those threads and see who caused the trouble resulting in their closure. I challenged those who made unfounded claims to prove their claims and debate me and they took off using lame excuses as a way out. One fan claimed he no longer wanted to have a serious discussion with me and took off. The very next day he was back in another thread wanting to have a serious discussion.

You make a big deal about me "spinning" just because I dont buy into your E-Lie adoration. Im not all that impressed with the guy. Nothing, not one thing Ive ever posted about E-Lie is spin. Its just not what you agree with, but its not spin. Its simply the truth.

Here you go with Eli again but of course you have no Eli agenda. Isn't that what you keep saying? You're right I have you figured out all wrong. :laugh2:

So keep on spinning and accuse others of it. Spin all you want doctor, but we all know you are the master of spin. Every post you make is written proof that you have your Spin- h-D.

Being a SPIN DOCTOR isn't you're only issue but I won't go into it.

 

[KJJ]

Spin away bro. Keep on spinning until you get this thread closed.

If this thread gets closed it's because we both got off topic. It takes more than one person to get a thread closed unless they do what you did in the thread that got closed 2 weeks ago by getting completely off topic filling an entire page with silly pics of Jessica Simpson.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Seriously. The jimmy was gonna leave talk is amusing.

1. When emmitt wasn't playing and we went 0-2 before winning for back to back. The man was practically in tears. His "baby" the Dallas cowboys that is... Was fractured and he hurt. Very much into the team and staying on IMO.

2. When he left, he said, "I am no longer head coach of the Dallas cowboys" .... He looked ecstatic about it.

I call nonsense on he was leaving anyway.

He probably wanted the three peat soooooo bad he could taste it.
He probably had vision of 4 for 4.


Yeah, yeah... He and jerry can spin it however they want to now. But if you are honest with yourself. You know these two knuckleheads gave us something historic and then swiped it away from us.

 

[KJJ]

Seriously. The jimmy was gonna leave talk is amusing.

1. When emmitt wasn't playing and we went 0-2 before winning for back to back. The man was practically in tears. His "baby" the Dallas cowboys that is... Was fractured and he hurt. Very much into the team and staying on IMO.

2. When he left, he said, "I am no longer head coach of the Dallas cowboys" .... He looked ecstatic about it.

I call nonsense on he was leaving anyway.

He probably wanted the three peat soooooo bad he could taste it.
He probably had vision of 4 for 4.


Yeah, yeah... He and jerry can spin it however they want to now. But if you are honest with yourself. You know these two knuckleheads gave us something historic and then swiped it away from us.

This topic has been beaten many times on this board but here goes. Jimmy missed Florida and wanted to leave which is why when asked about the new Jax franchise that was coming into the league in 95 he said if approached about coaching the team he would listen. Jimmy's history wasn't to stay in one place very long. Jerry was starting to get on Jimmy's nerves. Jimmy himself said he was watching TV and saw Jerry taking the credit for a trade that Jimmy made and it bothered him. Jimmy said I made that trade not Jerry and admitted it irritated him. Jimmy said Jerry wanted to make some trades and in Jerry's words "have some fun." The more success the Cowboys were having the more Jerry began to meddle some.

Jimmy said he and Jerry's working relationship was great but that clearly started to change as the Cowboys became successful. It became obvious that Jimmy and Jerry ego's were starting to clash. Jimmy was getting all the credit for the Cowboys success and it was bothering Jerry. There's video evidence showing an annoyed Jimmy walking away from Jerry on the sidelines during a game. It was clear he didn't want Jerry on the sidelines talking with players during games. Little things that were fine in the beginning when the team was struggling started becoming an issue once the Cowboys reached the top. According to those closest to Jerry and Jimmy things took a real bad turn between them when Jerry invited a Prince into the Cowboys locker room immediately after a game before Jimmy had a chance to address the team. That PISSED Jimmy off!

It wasn't long after that when Jimmy made his comments about coaching JAX. Jerry in his own words said he heard about Jimmy's comments in his car on the radio and the back of his neck started to burn with anger. Those comments by Jimmy came during the Cowboys SB run in 93. After the Cowboys repeated and were celebrating the win that's when a liquored up Jerry made his comments that any one of 500 coaches could have won those SB's. That got back to Jimmy and the rest is history. The Cowboys success and both mens ego drove them apart.

Jerry felt he didn't need Jimmy anymore the team was flying high and everything Jimmy was doing Jerry thought he could do on his own. Jimmy saw free agency eating away at some of the talent on the team and with he and Jerry starting to clash he felt he accomplished what he set out to do with the Cowboys and wanted to move on. Jerry clearly felt any coach could lead the Cowboys all you have to do is look at the list of head coaches Jerry has hired since Jimmy left. The truth serum he had in his system during the teams SB celebration said it all.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

It takes more than one person to get a thread closed unless they do what you did in the thread that got closed 2 weeks ago by getting completely off topic filling an entire page with silly pics of Jessica Simpson.

This is classic spin at its best. SPIN it to deflect all the spotlight from the threads (PLURAL) you got locked down, and try to make 1 silly thread with some Jessica pictures to be the real issue. SPIN, SPIN and mo SPIN!

Bro, if CZ was a no spin zone you woulda been banned a long time ago. You'd be following in Alan Colmes footsteps!

Dude, you spin so much Im gonna start calling you Bey Blade, let it rip!

 

[KJJ]

This is classic spin at its best. SPIN it to deflect all the spotlight from the threads (PLURAL) you got locked down, and try to make 1 silly thread with some Jessica pictures to be the real issue. SPIN, SPIN and mo SPIN!

Bro, if CZ was a no spin zone you woulda been banned a long time ago. You'd be following in Alan Colmes footsteps!

Dude, you spin so much Im gonna start calling you Bey Blade, let it rip!

You should write a book titled "Spinning Out of Control." Just when it appears your SPINS can't get anymore ridiculous you reach a new low. It's not like you can expose yourself anymore than you already have instead of completely destroying whatever reputation you had on this board which may already be too late you should be doing some damage control. You're being so ridiculous you claimed I got a thread closed for posting I aways win arguments. Do you honestly believe they would close a thread because of something like that??? :laugh2: That's just another ridiculous SPIN of a comment I made. I challenge you to provide the link to the post where I said that and let's see if it's not another one of you SPINS. LOL I say something and you interpret what you want it's a FACT! Your game has evolved into not only SPINNING but acting delusional. Being exposed has you in full meltdown mode. :laugh2:

 

[KJJ]

Dude, you spin so much Im gonna start calling you Bey Blade, let it rip!

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[WPBCowboysFan]

BeyBlade, you get really butthurt over this stuff but in reality it is you that is the master of SPIN.

You accuse me of spin simply because I have been consistent in saying E-Lie is a goofball that trips over his own feet. Its not spin, its just true.

So, while I'll consistently avoid the spin you can go ahead and let it rip!

 

[justbob]

This thread is long past any decent discussion due to a few who have hijacked it to insult one another.