The Kevin Smith Curse...

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OK... it's half way through the season and I'm starting to notice an all too familiar trend during the past few games.. I can only explain it as the curse of Kevin Smith..

What is that you ask?... Well it appears that more and more teams are just throwing the ball deep on Dallas, regardless if the guy is covered or not because there has become a pattern of positive things happening more than 50% of the time for the offense when they do so and the percentage of time it ends in a turnover/interception are probably below 10%.

The only thing I can attribute this to is the curse of Kevin Smith. Some of you, I'm sure, not so fondly remember the post injury pup just having deep ball after deep ball thrown at him, even with blanket coverage, because it would often result in a PI call or the receiver would jump and catch it. Once or twice a game you would sit and watch and wait for it.. and sooner or later come to expect it.

This phenomenon can most likely be explained by the way the corners are coached.. (face the receiver, watch his eyes and then slap at his hands and get your arm between his, when he reaches for the ball).. but instead I am going to pass it off as the curse of Kevin Smith.. for it will be the Cowboys achilles heal all year if they don't start making teams pay for taking those shots.
 

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31smackdown;1147991 said:
OK... it's half way through the season and I'm starting to notice an all too familiar trend during the past few games.. I can only explain it as the curse of Kevin Smith..

What is that you ask?... Well it appears that more and more teams are just throwing the ball deep on Dallas, regardless if the guy is covered or not because there has become a pattern of positive things happening more than 50% of the time for the offense when they do so and the percentage of time it ends in a turnover/interception are probably below 10%.

The only thing I can attribute this to is the curse of Kevin Smith. Some of you, I'm sure, not so fondly remember the post injury pup just having deep ball after deep ball thrown at him, even with blanket coverage, because it would often result in a PI call or the receiver would jump and catch it. Once or twice a game you would sit and watch and wait for it.. and sooner or later come to expect it.

This phenomenon can most likely be explained by the way the corners are coached.. (face the receiver, watch his eyes and then slap at his hands and get your arm between his, when he reaches for the ball).. but instead I am going to pass it off as the curse of Kevin Smith.. for it will be the Cowboys achilles heal all year if they don't start making teams pay for taking those shots.


Are you positive that the DBs are coached that way?

Every team throws deep balls and every team will get some penalty calls. Dallas has gotten theirs when they are on offense.
 

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Kevin Smith was a scape-goat, after the injury....

he was, pre-injury, one of the best cornerbacks I have seen play the game... Jerry Rice would be shut down when it came to Smith covering him...
 

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khiladi;1148024 said:
Kevin Smith was a scape-goat, after the injury....

he was, pre-injury, one of the best cornerbacks I have seen play the game... Jerry Rice would be shut down when it came to Smith covering him...

You are correct Sir!
 

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I mentioned this yesterday in a post. For years this has been a problem, and it it was often mentioned on these message boards. It is the scheme and the way our DB's are coached. Our DB's have been amongst the worst at making interceptions, and the best at getting PI calls on them. When was the last time one of our DB's had a high number of interceptions? Even as good as TNew is, he gets very few interceptions, and it's not like they don't throw at him......Our DB's are not tought to play the ball.

I remember a few years ago, one of the DB's made a great intecption, (might have been Ross), and got chewed out on the bench by Zimmer for not playing the proper technique.

It is the Cowboy's reputation that if the ball is thrown deep, it will most likely be a PI against the Cowboys.
 

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OK.. so it was half comic relief.. and I agree that K.Smith was great pre-injury.

Anyway.. I'm getting tired of watching the defense stuff the run all game and give up basically very few plays and then the other team just throws up a prayer and gets rewarded. It would be one thing if they were just getting beat, but at least half the time they are in position to be able to make a play and can't do it. It guess it frustrates me because it's hard to blame the coaches and sometimes it's hard to blame the players because they complete 95% of the play great and then just can't execute at the end... Heck.. if you are going to try that hard you might as well do something once you get there.. This team doesn't seem to lack effort, but it does seem to lack concentration at critical moments which is just baffling.
 
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Pup was great. Shame what happened to him. He was never the same after the injury (few are after an Achilles tear). :(

Another guy that I loved from those days was Kenneth "The Shark" Gant. He always had the special teams, and the crowd, pumped up. He really looked like he was having fun out there. Alot of our current guys look they are doing a 9-5 job, rather than playing a game.
 

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Hell yeah... "The Shark" was what is was all about... he got everybody pumped up... I'm getting teary-eyed just thinking about those days...

But K Smith was not bad even post-injury... a lot of the calls against him were tic-tac penalties... He was being targetted by the refs...
 

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khiladi;1148101 said:
Hell yeah... "The Shark" was what is was all about... he got everybody pumped up... I'm getting teary-eyed just thinking about those days...

But K Smith was not bad even post-injury... a lot of the calls against him were tic-tac penalties... He was being targetted by the refs...

While Aeneas Williams and Jason Seahorn were allowed to get away with anything they wanted against Irvin after 1995.
 

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I agree.......our DB's are talented, but their technique is horrible.

How many times in the last 5 years have we seen balls hit our DB's in the back? Or how many times have we seen our DB's over run the ball only to have the WR adjust to the ball and make the catch? How many "jump ball" catches have been made against us? How many times have we seen a pass where if the DB would turn and play the ball, there would have been an easy int? How many times have we seen the the CB's stop covering a guy thinking the safety would pick him up, only to see the guy run down the sideline uncovered? How many PI calls have been made against our DB's on passes that the WR had little to no chance of making the catch to begin with?

Frustrating..........................:banghead:
 

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I thought Clerks and Mallrats were funny. His other movies were mediocre.
 

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HowAboutThemCowboys;1148264 said:
I agree.......our DB's are talented, but their technique is horrible.

How many times in the last 5 years have we seen balls hit our DB's in the back? Or how many times have we seen our DB's over run the ball only to have the WR adjust to the ball and make the catch? How many "jump ball" catches have been made against us? How many times have we seen a pass where if the DB would turn and play the ball, there would have been an easy int? How many times have we seen the the CB's stop covering a guy thinking the safety would pick him up, only to see the guy run down the sideline uncovered? How many PI calls have been made against our DB's on passes that the WR had little to no chance of making the catch to begin with?

Frustrating..........................:banghead:

What are they supposed to do? If the play calls for the safety to be the deep cover guy, then the corner has some other responsibilities. They are not supposed to leave their zone until the ball is in the air. Any corner will do that.
 

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joseephuss;1148280 said:
What are they supposed to do? If the play calls for the safety to be the deep cover guy, then the corner has some other responsibilities. They are not supposed to leave their zone until the ball is in the air. Any corner will do that.

you would hope that they pick up the reciever and make a play on the ball. Our db's seem to think that not playing the ball or taking a PI penalty is the norm.

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Mr Cowboy;1148289 said:
you would hope that they pick up the reciever and make a play on the ball. Our db's seem to think that not playing the ball or taking a PI penalty is the norm.

:bang2:

No. In zone coverage, they are playing their own area. If they think there is a safety covering deep, then there should be a safety covering deep. It is an assumption they have to make because that is the way it is drawn up. If it is man coverage, I have not seen the corner just stop covering because he thinks he has safety help, so he had to be talking about zone coverage. I ask again, what is the corner supposed to do if he is already doing his job of covering his own zone? He can't do the safeties job, too.
 

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joseephuss;1148298 said:
No. In zone coverage, they are playing their own area. If they think there is a safety covering deep, then there should be a safety covering deep. It is an assumption they have to make because that is the way it is drawn up. If it is man coverage, I have not seen the corner just stop covering because he thinks he has safety help, so he had to be talking about zone coverage. I ask again, what is the corner supposed to do if he is already doing his job of covering his own zone? He can't do the safeties job, too.

I understand what you are saying, but our safeties don't play the ball, they either let the reciever make the catch or draw a PI penalty................
 

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Mr Cowboy;1148321 said:
I understand what you are saying, but our safeties don't play the ball, they either let the reciever make the catch or draw a PI penalty................

That I agree with.
 
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