The Kracken and the Kitchen

[jazzcat22]

I think it's too much hype. As I've stated previously, in Carolina, Hardy had another double-digit sack guy at the other DE position in Charles Johnson. His supporting cast on the DL and on defense in general was probably better with those Panther teams on which he thrived. When I see him on tape, I see a really good player that plays hard, but I do not see a truly elite DE. That said, he will be a big improvement over who we have now, and his presence should also soon help reflect our depth at DE.

Well, ok then coach, sit him, he is a bum, next man up....

 

[tyke1doe]

I'm listening to Talkin Cowboys right now, and Nate Newton is really hyping up the return of Greg Hardy. He says that even if Hardy only gets 10-15 plays this week, he will change the entire complexion of the defense: you will see Lawrence and Crawford elevate their games because of all the attention he commands, and he will wreak havoc all along the line. His flexibility also opens up a bunch of options for d-line personnel packages.

Now, I watched Hardy through the pre-season and what footage was available in training camp.

Could it be that ol' Nate is over-hyping this guy?

Won't it take a couple of games for the Kraken to knock off the rust and get to full speed?

Are we expecting too much of him right out of the chute?

I'm looking forward to seeing him play as much as the rest of us, but I'm a bit concerned that we might be setting our collective expectations too high.

I think it's a little too late for that.
I'm not expecting Dallas to beat the Patriots so I consider this a tune-up game for Hardy. Even if he comes out the gates fast and has a few sacks, Brady vs. Weeden is all I need to know to temper my enthusiasm and expectations.

 

[burmafrd]

I think it's a little too late for that.
I'm not expecting Dallas to beat the Patriots so I consider this a tune-up game for Hardy. Even if he comes out the gates fast and have a few sacks, Brady vs. Weeden is all I need to know to temper my enthusiasm and expectations.

depressingly true. Some here keep pumping up Weedon claiming he is good enough and so on. I call BS on that.

 

[remdak]

Hardy's return will matter over the next several weeks but, Brady gets the ball out at about 2 seconds so
that leaves little time for the rush to get to him or even bother him. With our problems in the backfield, I
look for the Cowboys to get rather pasted this weekend.

Like any other QB, a good rush will bother Brady. The Giants proved that twice. But, I will agree that Brady gets the ball out quickly, so it's got to be real good rush, especially up the middle.

 

[Zordon]

has hardy been attending the games?

 

[LittleD]

Then our coverage better play well, making Brady hold onto the ball an extra second or so. Jam the receivers at the LOS, play physical. Put Jones on Gronk and blanket him.

Well said...I like it...
But, we haven't been successful doing that so far and the Patriots are better than Atlanta or New Orleans.
Look for us to be chasing receivers all day as the Patriots ring up the scoreboard.

 

[Oh_Canada]

I think the first couple of games his attitude and aggressiveness will be more impact full to the defensive line than his physical impact.

I saw a play where Irving stuffed a run got up all excited and not one player showed any emotion along with him. They just huddled up like nothing happend. It's probably nothing, but it sort of had a Miami Dolphin feeling to it. If you been following that train wreck it's not a good thing.
Hope Hardy rachets up the intensity level. They will need it this week.

 

[jday]

I'm listening to Talkin Cowboys right now, and Nate Newton is really hyping up the return of Greg Hardy. He says that even if Hardy only gets 10-15 plays this week, he will change the entire complexion of the defense: you will see Lawrence and Crawford elevate their games because of all the attention he commands, and he will wreak havoc all along the line. His flexibility also opens up a bunch of options for d-line personnel packages.

Now, I watched Hardy through the pre-season and what footage was available in training camp.

Could it be that ol' Nate is over-hyping this guy?

Won't it take a couple of games for the Kraken to knock off the rust and get to full speed?

Are we expecting too much of him right out of the chute?

I'm looking forward to seeing him play as much as the rest of us, but I'm a bit concerned that we might be setting our collective expectations too high.

Depends on how you look at it and what your expectations are exactly. If you are thinking the suggestion is he's going to pick up 3 sacks, a handful of tackles for loss, etc. then, yeah, you probably are over-hyping the type of impact he is likely to have. But if you think by his mere presence alone, Brady will be effected by this pass rush, on that you might not be expecting too much.

The gameplan for the Cowboys defense has to be to disrupt Brady's confidence in his offensive line, his timing with his receivers, and the bones in Brady's body with every hit. If they can do that consistently, particular the latter point, as a team, the Cowboys very well could win. Granted, it's not likely but stranger things have happened.

 

[Joe Realist]

He will make a great pay, even a sack, then miss 3 games with hamstring issues

 

[Idgit]

depressingly true. Some here keep pumping up Weedon claiming he is good enough and so on. I call BS on that.

This isn't a Brandon Weeden thread. You're losing that debate elsewhere, burm. Even if you do have the argument wrong.

As for tyke's point, I agree with him, too. Hardy will have an impact, and he'll make things tough on Brady, but this is a game we're going to need to score somewhere in the 30s to win, and I just don't see how we do that with what we've got on offense.

 

[Philmonroe]

I'm listening to Talkin Cowboys right now, and Nate Newton is really hyping up the return of Greg Hardy. He says that even if Hardy only gets 10-15 plays this week, he will change the entire complexion of the defense: you will see Lawrence and Crawford elevate their games because of all the attention he commands, and he will wreak havoc all along the line. His flexibility also opens up a bunch of options for d-line personnel packages.

Now, I watched Hardy through the pre-season and what footage was available in training camp.

Could it be that ol' Nate is over-hyping this guy?

Won't it take a couple of games for the Kraken to knock off the rust and get to full speed?

Are we expecting too much of him right out of the chute?

I'm looking forward to seeing him play as much as the rest of us, but I'm a bit concerned that we might be setting our collective expectations too high.

Why don't you call and ask him if he thinks he's overhyping the guy? Lol. Who knows none of us have saw him play in the regular season but he can't be no worse than what we currently have. That's all that really matters at this point till we see him play some games IMO not expectations too high.

 

[CF74]

I'm hoping his presence elevates everybody's game around him and frees up somebody to make some plays..

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

depressingly true. Some here keep pumping up Weedon claiming he is good enough and so on. I call BS on that.

i guess weeden can drive a bus. but it needs other players to make plays because with weeden its not going to happen. he just doesnt make things happen like Romo.

 

[Ken]

Hardy in the last week or so of TC really started to dominate. If that Hardy is still there after this 4 week layoff, we will be very happy. This guy is as good a player as you can find on the DL. Literally, Carolina's defense was horrible last year and he was really the only difference.

Put it this way, Brees would have had a long day if he was available last sunday, rust or no rust.

 

[RunDMC]

No we aren't overhyping him. Greg Hardy is a high impact football player. One of the best defensive players in the game. Teams have to account for him. He will make everyone around him better. Dallas can move him around the line like Houston does with JJ Watt. Hardy is relentless, explosive off the edge, powerful, great array of pass rush moves, counters, and just unblockable.

 

[Bleu Star]

I'm looking forward to seeing him play as much as the rest of us, but I'm a bit concerned that we might be setting our collective expectations too high.

That's nothing new. We do that all the time.

 

[RunDMC]

I think it's too much hype. As I've stated previously, in Carolina, Hardy had another double-digit sack guy at the other DE position in Charles Johnson. His supporting cast on the DL and on defense in general was probably better with those Panther teams on which he thrived. When I see him on tape, I see a really good player that plays hard, but I do not see a truly elite DE. That said, he will be a big improvement over who we have now, and his presence should also soon help reflect our depth at DE.

Hardy was the one who was double teamed in Carolina not Charles Johnson so Hardy was the one who helped Johnson. Look what happened to Carolina last year without Hardy. That defensive line and defense as a whole wasn't the same. I don't see how you can argue Hardy isn't an elite defensive end. He has the numbers, he has the impact of making other players around him better and allowing them to flourish, and is a two way player.

 

[mickswag]

Still never gets old:




Reporter 1: "Where did you come up with Hogwarts?"

Kraken: "Have you ever seen Harry Potter? Hogwarts. A little witchcraft. Wizardry."

Reporter 1: "How long have you been thinking of that?"

Kraken: "It's The Kraken. Mystical. It's where he lives at."

Reporter 1: "You're mixing mythology and fantasy."

Kraken: "I can do whatever I want. I'm The Kraken. ... If you feel you can ask The Kraken personally where he goes to school, and prove me wrong, then I feel like I'll change it."

Reporter 2: "How long have you been Kraken?"

Kraken: "For as long as I can remember. Yesterday."

Reporter 1: "Is Ole Miss Hogwarts?"

Kraken: "No, that's not where I said I went. Hardy went to Ole Miss."

Reporter 1 as Reporter 2 steps back: "And Kraken didn't?"

Kraken: "That's time blown right there. You gotta listen. I'm talking. You've got to listen.'

 

[perrykemp]

Curious question -- I'd love to understand why Hardy wasn't taken until the 6th round back in 2010.

Anybody have any insights?

 

[mickswag]

Curious question -- I'd love to understand why Hardy wasn't taken until the 6th round back in 2010.

Anybody have any insights?

There is one word that consistently appears when talking about Hardy is durability, or lack their off.

2/28/10:This guy can't stop gaining weight. He was 279 at the Senior Bowl, which was high for him. On Saturday, Greg Hardy weighed in at 6-4, 281. Does he want to play nose tackle or something?

3/2/10:Greg Hardy ran a hideous 4.87 at the Combine. He can't keep his weight down in the wake of all of his injuries. I don't see how any team drafts him in the first two days.

If that wasn't enough his productively has been questioned and has been noted that he appears to take plays off, often disappearing for several games. If any of these problem persist at the pro-level he will quickly gain the bust label.