The lost optimism of keeping or firing Garrett

[darthseinfeld]

What I have always found funny about "Fire <insert-current-head-coach-here>!" threads over the years for every single coach we have had since Jimmy Johnson is that in one breath, fans will loudly rail against Jerry Jones' ability to make good decisions pointing to <insert-current-head-coach-here> as the prime example, and then in the next breath expect that same Jerry Jones would be capable of hiring the perfect coach to replace him.

What if Jerry fired Garrett and then hired Linehan or Marinelli? They both have previous head coaching experience. What if Jerry hired some unproven coordinator from another team that may only have had success because he had several superstar players to work with on his last team?

Like many fans, I have seen nothing from Garrett to prove he's capable of reaching or winning Super Bowls so this is not a "keep Garrett" agenda post. I believe coaches are paid a lot of money to win and if they don't, they should get fired and replaced.

I just don't share the same optimism that I guess many of you do that if Garrett is fired, everything will suddenly be better. Instead, I fear that if he's fired, we'll get some replacement that "can work and get a long with Jerry" and at minimum we'll have to endure at least 3-4 more years of mediocrity, or even worse, wishing we still had Garrett "because at least he had one good season".

It's easy to say, "it can't get much worse", but to that I simply say one word .. "Campo."

I dont think a Campo is gonna happen again honestly. I think the total 'yes man' days are gone.

I honestly dont know where they should go if they do fire Garrett. Im not a fan of the ring club outside of Payton who would be my first choice if he was available. All those guys are jobless now for a reason. Outside of Payton I would prefer an assistant with HC faculties and fresh idea's. Someone that will have us ahead of the curve and a year behind

 

[RS12]

I just don't share the same optimism that I guess many of you do that if Garrett is fired, everything will suddenly be better. "

Me neither because I know who is doing the hiring.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

People's need for easy answers is the rub for me.

Bill Belchick, Sean Payton, Andy Reed and Mike Tomlin don't have easy jobs.

 

[Dodger12]

What I have always found funny about "Fire <insert-current-head-coach-here>!" threads over the years for every single coach we have had since Jimmy Johnson is that in one breath, fans will loudly rail against Jerry Jones' ability to make good decisions pointing to <insert-current-head-coach-here> as the prime example, and then in the next breath expect that same Jerry Jones would be capable of hiring the perfect coach to replace him.

You can't make a false/impossible assumption to open your thread and then expect a reasonable argument to change your mind. I don't think anyone from the anti-Garrett crowd believes Jerry will hire the perfect coach. Not gonna happen with Jerry. But it's not a lot to ask to hire a HC who understands basic clock management and can be a little imaginative with the offense. Garrett is a liability on gameday and no lead is safe.

What if Jerry hired some unproven coordinator from another team that may only have had success because he had several superstar players to work with on his last team?

At least the (new) guy has proven he knows how to have success with superstar players, as opposed to Garrett who is a .500 HC with a franchise QB.

Like many fans, I have seen nothing from Garrett to prove he's capable of reaching or winning Super Bowls so this is not a "keep Garrett" agenda post. I believe coaches are paid a lot of money to win and if they don't, they should get fired and replaced.

I agree so what's your question again? Every coach who takes a job here knows what he's getting into. Garrett was no different. I don't buy the meme that he was building something or it took years for him to turn over an aging roster. That stuff happens every day in today's NFL. Teams go from worst to first almost overnight in some cases. Garrett may have input, but his job is to keep Charlotte company on draft day while the wildcatter shoots for the stars.

All I expect from my HC is to be able to coach and motivate his players to get the most out of them. I expect him to instill a certain philosophy and attitude. I expect his players to know when to get out of bounds and understand game situations. And I expect him to understand basic clock management that even a high school coach would know. I wouldn't hire Garrett to coach my son's high school team.

It's easy to say, "it can't get much worse", but to that I simply say one word .. "Campo."

Don't insult Campo. Garrett's not even in his league. Campo won 5 games with a horrible team and no QB while Garrett has taken Romo in his prime and eeked out 8 wins on average. Garrett has proven he can't win a damn thing with a franchise QB.

 

[jday]

The same threads occur in 28 other NFL cities all day long.

Fans are inherently expert play callers, talent evaluators, and general managers.

Your sarcasm is noted, but just keep mind, I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night...every night...


So pack a lunch and bring a Snickers if you want to debate.

 

[darthseinfeld]

People's need for easy answers is the rub for me.

Finding a HC is probably one of the tougest things for us to gauge as fans. Unlike players, we really dont know much about the assistants coachs around the league outside of their units stat sheet and as far picking a HC, thats a small part of that pie

 

[nalam]

I dont know , unless Stephen takes over and retires Jerry , appoints a real GM and let him call the shots , we won't have a real coach who can do things his way.

Btw , JG seems to enjoy cat lives , after the last year 1-11 debacle without Romo, no other coach would have survived

 

[darthseinfeld]

My biggest thing is I don't want a 2 time failure at HC. I can take a guy that has failed once. Both Billicheck and Carrol have been fired by NFL teams. But if you have failed twice, you probably dont have the faculties of an NFL HC

 

[Risen Star]

The boss drops a silent but deadly in our pre-game pep rally.

Could the staff at least send him a warning? Go Cowboys.

 

[Risen Star]

I dont know , unless Stephen takes over and retires Jerry , appoints a real GM and let him call the shots , we won't have a real coach who can do things his way.

Btw , JG seems to enjoy cat lives , after the last year 1-11 debacle without Romo, no other coach would have survived

Change isn't always the right answer. We’re not big believers in it. - Stephen Jones

Stephen is his father's son. Nothing will change other than a much more heavy duty chair.

 

[nalam]

Change isn't always the right ......
Nothing will change other than a much more heavy duty chair.

Lol,

 

[daveferr33]

I never said we should keep Garrett. Obviously you did not read my post. I am completely ambivalent as to whether Garrett is fired or kept. That's my point. Optimism seems lost whether we keep or fire him.

As for my post being "the most cynical and negative post I may have read on this site" .. are you new here?

Of course I read your post. Your point is that Jones cannot be trusted to find anyone better, so "[o]ptimism seems lost whether we keep or fire [Garrett]." That is a deeply cynical conclusion--i.e.,, that there is no hope either way.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I dont know , unless Stephen takes over and retires Jerry , appoints a real GM and let him call the shots , we won't have a real coach who can do things his way.

Btw , JG seems to enjoy cat lives , after the last year 1-11 debacle without Romo, no other coach would have survived

I think its a much more attractive job then it was in the early 2000's. We have had moderate success and have shown the ability as an organization to field teams with playoff caliber talent very consistently over the last 12 years. Outside of Parcells we havent had an all around coach to take it all the way. Wade was a great tactician but a horrible team manager. Garrett is pretty much the oppisite, although I believe he is a much better coach then Wade.

If Sean Payton got fired, and we offered him the job. Im very confident he would take it

 

[cml750]

I say if what you have isn't working,(and by any objective measure the Garrett HC in training experiment has been an utter failure) then it is time to try something different. Sadly, we have already wasted the career of our franchise QB.

 

[Dodger12]

Garrett is pretty much the oppisite, although I believe he is a much better coach then Wade.

Wade is a far better coach and it's not even close based on any measurable standard.

Wade is 82 and 64 overall as a HC.

34 and 22 here in Dallas

29 and 19 in Buffalo.

And he was still fired in all 3 stops was 11 and 5 in Dallas the season before he got fired.

And I'm not saying Wade is a good HC. But Garrett can't carry his jock.

 

[DandyDon52]

Well reality, your right, I have thought the same thing, is that we might get someone worse or not any better.
Fans start thinking about a guy they like, so then they wanna get rid of JG, but then no telling who the jones boys will hire.

JG is not very good HC, but he is very good at working with Jones boys, and at keeping his 6 mil a year job !
So all he has to do each year is make the playoffs, and he will be around thru 2020 or longer.

Cowboy fans, and this includes the jones boys, are so hungry for playoffs, since we have only been once since 2010 ?
That just getting to playoffs is now exciting, like in 2014 all they did was barely win 1 playoff game, and lose the next, also close, and fans
were loving JG then.
And they had for the first time a identity, and played like a team, and were balance, then not JG but the jones boys threw the wrench into the wheel!
Not just one but 2 lol, first they dont get murray resigned before he is a FA.
Then they dont sign dez early, they insult him with franchise tag, and want him to be babysat for another 5 years, and at what to him was not enough
money.
Those 2 things, killed the team that won in 2014 chemistry was gone, and I think players lost faith in owners with all that.
The chemistry thing is hard to find and keep, and the jones boys just chunked that right out the window.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Wade is a far better coach and it's not even close based on any measurable standard.

Wade is 82 and 64 overall as a HC.

34 and 22 here in Dallas

29 and 19 in Buffalo.

And he was still fired in all 3 stops was 11 and 5 in Dallas the season before he got fired.

And I'm not saying Wade is a good HC. But Garrett can't carry his jock.

Wade wins with other peoples talent and of he doesnt have a stocked roster he fails miserably. He won with Reeves talent in Denver, Levy's in Buffalo and Parcells here in Dallas. To Garrett's credit he has never had the level of talent Phillips has had as a HC. With Phillips 2 seasons before your team falls apart

 

[raithrover]

Any change considered you'd have to look at who ideally you'd want to bring in and also who might want to take on the task ahead with an interfering owner.

 

[Proof]

hard to imagine that we had parcells, zimmer and payton as a staff... yikes

 

[RS12]

JG is not very good HC, but he is very good at working with Jones boys, and at keeping his 6 mil a year job !

To quote one of my least favorite Garrett sound bytes: "Those are the mechanics of it."