The lost optimism of keeping or firing Garrett

[Wolfpack]

What I have always found funny about "Fire <insert-current-head-coach-here>!" threads over the years for every single coach we have had since Jimmy Johnson is that in one breath, fans will loudly rail against Jerry Jones' ability to make good decisions pointing to <insert-current-head-coach-here> as the prime example, and then in the next breath expect that same Jerry Jones would be capable of hiring the perfect coach to replace him.

What if Jerry fired Garrett and then hired Linehan or Marinelli? They both have previous head coaching experience. What if Jerry hired some unproven coordinator from another team that may only have had success because he had several superstar players to work with on his last team?

Like many fans, I have seen nothing from Garrett to prove he's capable of reaching or winning Super Bowls so this is not a "keep Garrett" agenda post. I believe coaches are paid a lot of money to win and if they don't, they should get fired and replaced.

I just don't share the same optimism that I guess many of you do that if Garrett is fired, everything will suddenly be better. Instead, I fear that if he's fired, we'll get some replacement that "can work and get a long with Jerry" and at minimum we'll have to endure at least 3-4 more years of mediocrity, or even worse, wishing we still had Garrett "because at least he had one good season".

It's easy to say, "it can't get much worse", but to that I simply say one word .. "Campo."

This is a reasonable post but JG adds nothing to this team in terms of game day. He's coached himself out of games several times, he's that bad.

Campo would no doubt have a better record with the same team.

I think everyone understands that having the Jones family large and in charge limits what can realistically happen. At least add a guy who understands basic coaching skills.

 

[Blake]

I think most ppl just hope JJ will accidentally find a good coach

Fixed.

 

[Wolfpack]

You can't make a false/impossible assumption to open your thread and then expect a reasonable argument to change your mind. I don't think anyone from the anti-Garrett crowd believes Jerry will hire the perfect coach. Not gonna happen with Jerry. But it's not a lot to ask to hire a HC who understands basic clock management and can be a little imaginative with the offense. Garrett is a liability on gameday and no lead is safe.



At least the (new) guy has proven he knows how to have success with superstar players, as opposed to Garrett who is a .500 HC with a franchise QB.



I agree so what's your question again? Every coach who takes a job here knows what he's getting into. Garrett was no different. I don't buy the meme that he was building something or it took years for him to turn over an aging roster. That stuff happens every day in today's NFL. Teams go from worst to first almost overnight in some cases. Garrett may have input, but his job is to keep Charlotte company on draft day while the wildcatter shoots for the stars.

All I expect from my HC is to be able to coach and motivate his players to get the most out of them. I expect him to instill a certain philosophy and attitude. I expect his players to know when to get out of bounds and understand game situations. And I expect him to understand basic clock management that even a high school coach would know. I wouldn't hire Garrett to coach my son's high school team.



Don't insult Campo. Garrett's not even in his league. Campo won 5 games with a horrible team and no QB while Garrett has taken Romo in his prime and eeked out 8 wins on average. Garrett has proven he can't win a damn thing with a franchise QB.

Excellent stuff.

Don't forget along with a franchise QB he has had a franchise LT, a pro bowl RB, pro bowl WR, a HOF TE and a great pass rusher. He had the tools.

 

[chicago JK]

hard to imagine that we had parcells, zimmer and payton as a staff... yikes

One of the things I have been disappointed in Garrett is him identifying coaching talent. I thought for a guy who was more cerebral and a guy who is a younger coach, I was hoping he would have the coaching eye to identifying the next batch of very good coaches. I am fine with bringing in veteran coaches, especially on the other side of the ball. Although Monte Kiffen and Rob Ryan have also proven to be terrible hires.

Who are the young coaches he has brought on board who look like future top coaches? Parcells brought in Payton. Payton was not unknown when he came to Dallas but he was not a hot property. He kept Zimmer. Had Bowles on staff. The Pittsburgh offensive coordinator is a hot head but he has had some good moments. Not sure what Tony Sparano is doing now but he did win a coach of the year award before flaming out.

I think it is really telling of the coaches who find good assistants who may at the time be no names. I think it is a skill. It is another area I think Garrett has not lived up to the hype.

 

[Clove]

We're hoping for a Coach who can win in spite of Jerry. That's our ONLY hope.

 

[skinsscalper]

I remember a huge GROZ (get rid of Zimmer) contingent around here for a long time. Just goes to show you the stupidity of the average fan and a mob mentality.

 

[wileedog]

I just don't share the same optimism that I guess many of you do that if Garrett is fired, everything will suddenly be better. Instead, I fear that if he's fired, we'll get some replacement that "can work and get a long with Jerry" and at minimum we'll have to endure at least 3-4 more years of mediocrity, or even worse, wishing we still had Garrett "because at least he had one good season".

It's easy to say, "it can't get much worse", but to that I simply say one word .. "Campo."

Garrett's record without Romo is all you need to know about what he brings to the table on gameday.

Said it before and I will say it again - Garrett *IS* Campo, except he had a Romo and Campo didn't. No way you can tell me Romo wouldn't have been at the absolute minimum worth 3 more wins each of Campo's 5-11 seasons, which pretty much gives him the same winning % as Garrett here.

So to the "it could be worse" argument, no, no I don't think it can.

(although if he does hire Marinelli as HC I will take that back right quick...)

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

We're hoping for a Coach who can win in spite of Jerry. That's our ONLY hope.

Yup. You hope he gets desperate enough to hire another Parcells basically. He has his stadium though and since he's said that's the reason he hired Parcells in the first place....

*sigh*

 

[Clove]

Yup. You hope he gets desperate enough to hire another Parcells basically. He has his stadium though and since he's said that's the reason he hired Parcells in the first place....

*sigh*

Bro, that's our ONLY hope. It's been 2 decades.

 

[visionary]

What I have always found funny about "Fire <insert-current-head-coach-here>!" threads over the years for every single coach we have had since Jimmy Johnson is that in one breath, fans will loudly rail against Jerry Jones' ability to make good decisions pointing to <insert-current-head-coach-here> as the prime example, and then in the next breath expect that same Jerry Jones would be capable of hiring the perfect coach to replace him.

What if Jerry fired Garrett and then hired Linehan or Marinelli? They both have previous head coaching experience. What if Jerry hired some unproven coordinator from another team that may only have had success because he had several superstar players to work with on his last team?

Like many fans, I have seen nothing from Garrett to prove he's capable of reaching or winning Super Bowls so this is not a "keep Garrett" agenda post. I believe coaches are paid a lot of money to win and if they don't, they should get fired and replaced.

I just don't share the same optimism that I guess many of you do that if Garrett is fired, everything will suddenly be better. Instead, I fear that if he's fired, we'll get some replacement that "can work and get a long with Jerry" and at minimum we'll have to endure at least 3-4 more years of mediocrity, or even worse, wishing we still had Garrett "because at least he had one good season".

It's easy to say, "it can't get much worse", but to that I simply say one word .. "Campo."

I'm sorry but this is exactly a "keep Garrett agenda post"

Jerry may be a moron but he is the owner and can't be replaced
Garrett is a KNOWN INCOMPETENT

There is no possible justification for keeping this idiot

 

[Dodger12]

Wade wins with other peoples talent and of he doesnt have a stocked roster he fails miserably. He won with Reeves talent in Denver, Levy's in Buffalo and Parcells here in Dallas. To Garrett's credit he has never had the level of talent Phillips has had as a HC. With Phillips 2 seasons before your team falls apart

I'm not even sure what this means. Garrett also inherited a HOF TE, HOF DE, and a borderline HOF QB which is the most important position to find. Without the QB that Garrett "inherited", he's won exactly one game in 12 or 13 attempts and that game was courtesy of DeShaun Jackson (?). By every measurable standard, Wade is by far the better coach and I'm not even sure that's debatable at this point.

And Garrett would succeed if he doesn't have a "stocked" roster? Garrett can't figure out a way to get his #1 WR the ball. And Wade's roster was so talented that folks here claimed Garrett had to dump that roster and rebuild it because they were too old, overpaid, etc. It's utter hypocrisy and people talk out of both sides of their mouth when it comes to Garrett.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

I'm not even sure what this means. Garrett also inherited a HOF TE, HOF DE, and a borderline HOF QB which is the most important position to find. Without the QB that Garrett "inherited", he's won exactly one game in 12 or 13 attempts and that game was courtesy of DeShaun Jackson (?). By every measurable standard, Wade is by far the better coach and I'm not even sure that's debatable at this point.

And Garrett would succeed if he doesn't have a "stocked" roster? Garrett can't figure out a way to get his #1 WR the ball. And Wade's roster was so talented that folks here claimed Garrett had to dump that roster and rebuild it because they were too old, overpaid, etc. It's utter hypocrisy and people talk out of both sides of their mouth when it comes to Garrett.

 

[Eddie]

Nothing will change if we keep/fire Garrett.

The issue starts from above.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I'm not even sure what this means. Garrett also inherited a HOF TE, HOF DE, and a borderline HOF QB which is the most important position to find. Without the QB that Garrett "inherited", he's won exactly one game in 12 or 13 attempts and that game was courtesy of DeShaun Jackson (?). By every measurable standard, Wade is by far the better coach and I'm not even sure that's debatable at this point.

And Garrett would succeed if he doesn't have a "stocked" roster? Garrett can't figure out a way to get his #1 WR the ball. And Wade's roster was so talented that folks here claimed Garrett had to dump that roster and rebuild it because they were too old, overpaid, etc. It's utter hypocrisy and people talk out of both sides of their mouth when it comes to Garrett.

We will just to agree to disagree. Honestly they are both very bad head coachs. Especially on gameday I don't want to debate which one was less terrible

 

[visionary]

What I have always found funny about "Fire <insert-current-head-coach-here>!" threads over the years for every single coach we have had since Jimmy Johnson is that in one breath, fans will loudly rail against Jerry Jones' ability to make good decisions pointing to <insert-current-head-coach-here> as the prime example, and then in the next breath expect that same Jerry Jones would be capable of hiring the perfect coach to replace him.

What if Jerry fired Garrett and then hired Linehan or Marinelli? They both have previous head coaching experience. What if Jerry hired some unproven coordinator from another team that may only have had success because he had several superstar players to work with on his last team?

Like many fans, I have seen nothing from Garrett to prove he's capable of reaching or winning Super Bowls so this is not a "keep Garrett" agenda post. I believe coaches are paid a lot of money to win and if they don't, they should get fired and replaced.

I just don't share the same optimism that I guess many of you do that if Garrett is fired, everything will suddenly be better. Instead, I fear that if he's fired, we'll get some replacement that "can work and get a long with Jerry" and at minimum we'll have to endure at least 3-4 more years of mediocrity, or even worse, wishing we still had Garrett "because at least he had one good season".

It's easy to say, "it can't get much worse", but to that I simply say one word .. "Campo."

By this reasoning we shouldn't change co-ordinators or players either because he MAY get someone worse than who we currently have, lol

 

[visionary]

This is perhaps the most cynical and negative post I may have read on this site.

The suggestion that we should retain a coach that in six seasons has done nothing "to prove he's capable of reaching or winning Super Bowls" simply because the the GM might hire a worse candidate is beyond hopeless.

But it might just be that bad. I say we fire Garrett and find out.

Quoted for truth

 

[noshame]

This team is prime for Gruden Jerry knows he has x amount of years left to get something done so the time has come and it will be done

Finally

 

[Yakuza Rich]

We as Cowboys fans have a higher standard. Much like the Yankees who only put banners for World Series victories (not pennants), Cowboys fans expect more than winning the division or winning the conference and a helluva lot more than going 8-8. Winning a division may satisfy the Eagles, Skins and Giants fans of the world, but for Cowboys fans it doesn't suffice based on the organization's rich tradition and fervent fan following which is second to none in the NFL.

With that being said, we shouldn't be afraid to look for better options as the coach for this organization even if it may backfire.






YR

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I know it's unpopular. But I like JG. I think only a handful of coaches could have gotten markedly better results with the derth of talent we have on this team.

It's funny in one breath a fan will lament and ridicule our threadbare roster (particularly on defense)...and in the next sentence pummel a coach for not winning more with said roster. People love having their cake and eating it too.

Unlike college this is a player's league. When we have our most important player we win 75% of the time the last two years. When we don't have Romo we simply aren't talented enough elsewhere.

After an objective review of this roster the losses are concomitant with the talent at hand. It sucks. But that's life.

 

[SultanOfSix]

It doesn't matter for this particular question if Jerry will choose the right successor or not in such a case. The point is, if something is not working given enough time, you have to make a change to fix it.