The lost optimism of keeping or firing Garrett

[TheCount]

Garrett can shut everyone up by winning, the burden is on him, not "the fans."

 

[mahoneybill]

I think there is a reason that every single coach since Switzer (who had a team I could win a Super Bowl with) has failed. We simply don't field a talented enough team. Until we find a coach who can make chicken salad out of chicken **** we're going to get the same results until we start getting better players.

Our defensive front 7 appears to have 1 very (if injury prone) guy and a bunch of jags. When we have a DL we'll suddenly find that we have better coaching IMO.

On offense we've got everything except we've been forced to start a rookie QB. That's a huge problem.

Coaching only goes so far, when the other team has better players than you they'll generally win. Switzer should be the ultimate proof of that.

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Our defensive front 7 appears to have 1 very (if injury prone) guy and a bunch of jags. When we have a DL we'll suddenly find that we have better coaching IMO.

Agree. Even when we had the triplets they were supported by a very good D, and special teams..... Doesn't matter how the O and ST handle the game point wise, if the D can't stop the other Team...

We have a real problem giving up points to the opposition just before halftimes.... Historically Giants always do that to us to tighten games, or take leads

 

[jwitten82]

I know it's unpopular. But I like JG. I think only a handful of coaches could have gotten markedly better results with the derth of talent we have on this team.

It's funny in one breath a fan will lament and ridicule our threadbare roster (particularly on defense)...and in the next sentence pummel a coach for not winning more with said roster. People love having their cake and eating it too.

Unlike college this is a player's league. When we have our most important player we win 75% of the time the last two years. When we don't have Romo we simply aren't talented enough elsewhere.

After an objective review of this roster the losses are concomitant with the talent at hand. It sucks. But that's life.

But it shouldnt take 6 years to build a roster, especially when inherited one with a franchise qb. The Seahawks, Panthers, Broncos, and Vikings didnt take that long and their rosters were worse.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Finding a HC is probably one of the tougest things for us to gauge as fans. Unlike players, we really dont know much about the assistants coachs around the league outside of their units stat sheet and as far picking a HC, thats a small part of that pie

Sure and the call is for firing the current one.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

at this rate Jeff Fisher is probably going to be fired too, I say grab him

 

[darthseinfeld]

Sure and the call is for firing the current one.

And if thats a move that gets made, were do you go from there. There are alot of factors in replacing a HC that fans dont see. Alot of the abilities of coachs are hidden from fans as opposed to players whom we can watch perform every snap they play

 

[lwehlers]

I think most ppl just hope JJ will get lucky and find a good coach

jones will just ruined it the same way al davis did when he fired gruden.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

But it shouldnt take 6 years to build a roster, especially when inherited one with a franchise qb. The Seahawks, Panthers, Broncos, and Vikings didnt take that long and their rosters were worse.

Sure. But that's Garret's fault?

And one thing you notice among all those teams? Superstar defensive talent. You're alos cherry picking the franchises that have broken through and not those who have languished with us in mediocrity.

 

[Dodger12]

We will just to agree to disagree. Honestly they are both very bad head coachs. Especially on gameday I don't want to debate which one was less terrible

No kidding. On that we can agree.

 

[lwehlers]

hard to imagine that we had parcells, zimmer and payton as a staff... yikes

still this team could not win a playoff game. the one constant is the jones family is still in charge and they will always find a way to screw up everything.

 

[TwoDeep3]

What I have always found funny about "Fire <insert-current-head-coach-here>!" threads over the years for every single coach we have had since Jimmy Johnson is that in one breath, fans will loudly rail against Jerry Jones' ability to make good decisions pointing to <insert-current-head-coach-here> as the prime example, and then in the next breath expect that same Jerry Jones would be capable of hiring the perfect coach to replace him.

What if Jerry fired Garrett and then hired Linehan or Marinelli? They both have previous head coaching experience. What if Jerry hired some unproven coordinator from another team that may only have had success because he had several superstar players to work with on his last team?

Like many fans, I have seen nothing from Garrett to prove he's capable of reaching or winning Super Bowls so this is not a "keep Garrett" agenda post. I believe coaches are paid a lot of money to win and if they don't, they should get fired and replaced.

I just don't share the same optimism that I guess many of you do that if Garrett is fired, everything will suddenly be better. Instead, I fear that if he's fired, we'll get some replacement that "can work and get a long with Jerry" and at minimum we'll have to endure at least 3-4 more years of mediocrity, or even worse, wishing we still had Garrett "because at least he had one good season".

It's easy to say, "it can't get much worse", but to that I simply say one word .. "Campo."

As opposed to what? Keep Garrett for more of the same?

And while you offer up Campo as a rebuttal to Garrett, Campo didn't have a quarterback. Not saying he would be a world beater, but he might have gone from 5-11 to 8-8, just like Mr. Princeton who had Romo.

And that should put it all in perspective for the Garrett is the lesser of two evils set.

 

[xwalker]

What I have always found funny about "Fire <insert-current-head-coach-here>!" threads over the years for every single coach we have had since Jimmy Johnson is that in one breath, fans will loudly rail against Jerry Jones' ability to make good decisions pointing to <insert-current-head-coach-here> as the prime example, and then in the next breath expect that same Jerry Jones would be capable of hiring the perfect coach to replace him.

What if Jerry fired Garrett and then hired Linehan or Marinelli? They both have previous head coaching experience. What if Jerry hired some unproven coordinator from another team that may only have had success because he had several superstar players to work with on his last team?

Like many fans, I have seen nothing from Garrett to prove he's capable of reaching or winning Super Bowls so this is not a "keep Garrett" agenda post. I believe coaches are paid a lot of money to win and if they don't, they should get fired and replaced.

I just don't share the same optimism that I guess many of you do that if Garrett is fired, everything will suddenly be better. Instead, I fear that if he's fired, we'll get some replacement that "can work and get a long with Jerry" and at minimum we'll have to endure at least 3-4 more years of mediocrity, or even worse, wishing we still had Garrett "because at least he had one good season".

It's easy to say, "it can't get much worse", but to that I simply say one word .. "Campo."

I totally agree.

Garrett is likely the best option considering that Jerry is the owner. Garrett, IMO, is less of a joke as a HC than Campo or Wade. Sure, it would be great to have a great HC, but it's hard enough to find one under general circumstances, but then when you add in the Jerry element, it's much more difficult. A Harbaugh type would clash with Jerry after about 5 minutes. Sean Payton is about the only guy that I could see possibly working with Jerry because they are friends and he knows how things work with the Cowboy organization (I started to say at Valley Ranch), but Payton has a job already.

Having said that, I am starting to be worn down by some of the issues that I think are Garrett related.

For instance, Witten does not really need to play 100% of the snaps anymore. The blocking of the Cowboys TE(s) vs the blocking of the Giants TE was enough to win the game for the Giants. The Cowboys put Witten into blocking situations that he just couldn't win.

Garrett also protects Free for some reason. They should be giving Green a few snaps at RT and maybe even rotate him per series with Free like Callahan did several years ago with Free and JP. Callahan wanted to bench Free back then and Garrett refused. It is rumored to be the start of the feud between Garrett and Callahan.

I do think the Cowboys front office might be in a slightly better position to hire a HC than they were when Garrett was hired because Stephen seems to have much more power than he did at that point in time. Maybe Garrett's contract will expire about the same time as Sean Payton's and they can lure Payton to the Cowboys. It's been reported that he has a house in Dallas. So fans just need to be patient and wait 3 or 4 more years...

 

[Ender]

What I have always found funny about "Fire <insert-current-head-coach-here>!" threads over the years for every single coach we have had since Jimmy Johnson is that in one breath, fans will loudly rail against Jerry Jones' ability to make good decisions pointing to <insert-current-head-coach-here> as the prime example, and then in the next breath expect that same Jerry Jones would be capable of hiring the perfect coach to replace him.

What if Jerry fired Garrett and then hired Linehan or Marinelli? They both have previous head coaching experience. What if Jerry hired some unproven coordinator from another team that may only have had success because he had several superstar players to work with on his last team?

Like many fans, I have seen nothing from Garrett to prove he's capable of reaching or winning Super Bowls so this is not a "keep Garrett" agenda post. I believe coaches are paid a lot of money to win and if they don't, they should get fired and replaced.

I just don't share the same optimism that I guess many of you do that if Garrett is fired, everything will suddenly be better. Instead, I fear that if he's fired, we'll get some replacement that "can work and get a long with Jerry" and at minimum we'll have to endure at least 3-4 more years of mediocrity, or even worse, wishing we still had Garrett "because at least he had one good season".

It's easy to say, "it can't get much worse", but to that I simply say one word .. "Campo."

So you are saying, because sucks at talent evaluation we should just keep all the crappy talent? Nah ill pass on that....

 

[CATCH17]

Sell me hope but don't sell me Garrett.

 

[Doomsay]

One positive about Garrett's successor (other than the fact that literally, no one could be less effective) is that he won't be considered to be a creation of Jerry's (in Jerry's mind) and might have a more typical length leash than the transoceanic-sized one Garrett has.

 

[Proof]

if we absolutely have to keep garrett, I'd rather see him in the front office, and not on the sideline

 

[reddyuta]

 

[jwitten82]

Sure. But that's Garret's fault?

And one thing you notice among all those teams? Superstar defensive talent. You're alos cherry picking the franchises that have broken through and not those who have languished with us in mediocrity.

Lol they didnt inherit superstar defensive talent

 

[Reality]

So you are saying, because sucks at talent evaluation we should just keep all the crappy talent? Nah ill pass on that....

I didn't say that at all.

 

[Reality]

I'm sorry but this is exactly a "keep Garrett agenda post"

Jerry may be a moron but he is the owner and can't be replaced
Garrett is a KNOWN INCOMPETENT

There is no possible justification for keeping this idiot

No need to apologize, I know you mean well

In no way am I saying, "Keep Garrett because it could be worse." What I'm saying is that I find it funny that in one moment, fans say Jerry's horrible at making decisions, and then in another think he'll make a good decision with the next coach.

It's inevitable that we end up with a new coach. If that happens this year, next year, etc. I'm fine with it. I'm just not any more optimistic with it than I am with what we have now. That's not to say I'm "pessimistic" .. I'm just not optimistic.

I've never been sold on Garrett and have said this many times in posts. People assume things all the time because it's easier to say, "You're either with me or against me."

I hope Garrett wins a Super Bowl and/or I hope his replacement wins a Super Bowl for us.