The myth of Dak compared to reality

glimmerman

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Say what ya want but he is getting 25+ million per year and gone be our QB for the next 5 years at least. Quit watching if you don’t like it. That will show them.. Lol.

He has done a good job with the team around him. This offseason is to long...
 

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I see why you posted this info and it's coo and all but you either trust and like Dak or you don't.. I personally love him and he is my favorite Cowboy by far! Great kid, lots of talent, incredible leadership skills and clutch abilities... Whomever feels different that is their right and I respect that even though I don't care.
 

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Reality......Dak has brought back College football to Bid D.......:clap:
Can we compete for the national championship as the Superbowl with these Dak Friendly offenses is dream scenario at best!

 

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Most people don't consider throwing to wide open WRs "young QB things" to work on, but fundamental aspects of being a legit QB.

We ran the ball fine without Zeke for 6 games. What Dak couldn't do was adjust to the middle of field being taken away. Last year the plan to have him a lot of throw go routes to throw defenses out of that plan didn't work, and we had to go get Cooper. Dak's number look much better with Cooper, but success on 3rd down and long really didn't budge.

I personally thought he was turning the corner late last year in his ability to throw outside 10-20 yards downfield. So still hopeful about him, I just don't get the rush to pay him.

I just don't get the rush to pay him.

That pretty much sums you up. You dont get it.
 

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Dak's problems are 10 fold.....

Poor Accuracy
Poor Footwork
Poor Pocket presence
Poor reading downfield
Poor mental attributes(Panics like a deer in the headlights when pressured)
Poor leading the WR
Poor handling of the ball 58 sacks 12 fumbles and counting.
Poor GUTS as he will take the check-down on long downs the safe bet.
Poor Leader skills as his hitting Dez in the face mask simply was uncalled for!
Tired of writing the word Poor....if the above isn't enough then your a Dak fan first then a Cowboys fan.


P.S. Pray that Zeke doesn't get injured as our offense will be R.I.P.

LOL.........Poor guy. Another pro bowl season, playoffs and a new contract on the way and you trolls are going bonkers.
 

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Reality......Dak has brought back College football to Bid D.......:clap:
Can we compete for the national championship as the Superbowl with these Dak Friendly offenses is dream scenario at best!



Maybe you should just accept the fact that you dont know diddly about football or the QB position. Because clearly you have gotten it all wrong about Dak.

Dak was one of EASY ones to see waaay in the beginning how good he was. Preseason his rookie year you could see it.

3 years later and your still stuck in.............
 

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Say what ya want but he is getting 25+ million per year and gone be our QB for the next 5 years at least. Quit watching if you don’t like it. That will show them.. Lol.

He has done a good job with the team around him. This offseason is to long...
wow, typical Dak lover response...this thread and debate has nothing to do with getting a contract or not and what amount....you sound bitter
 

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wow, typical Dak lover response...this thread and debate has nothing to do with getting a contract or not and what amount....you sound bitter
Dak lover.. lol. Negative. And I am not bitter about anything. All I am saying is that it don’t matter what you or I think. The FO is gonna pay this guy. And his stats back up what the FO thinks.
 

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Wow, your logic is undeniable. You must be right.

Rookie of the year, two pro bowls, three winning seasons, two playoffs and already a playoff victory in his first 3 years speaks for itself.
 

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Appreciate the effort, but I doubt anyone changes their opinion on the matter.
 

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In this research i wanted to use facts to either prove the myth of Dak true or false. I will not be using the "eye" bias but instead lay out the facts. I used Pro Football reference for most of this research. Folks like to say Dak stepped into the greatest position for a rookie QB ( they say rookie because of the offense that QBs like Mahomes have but not as rookies cause they sat on the bench). I also didn't use guys like Brady because he only threw 3 passes as a rookie........only completed 1 of them so 33.3% competition haha.

First i will list these QBs that people have said are better than Dak with some of the best players on their team and than at the end give all their stats. These are rookie stats and teams only.


Peyton Manning QB
Had Marshall Faulk HB and Marvin Harrison WR, didn't have a terrible OL but wasn't great either.

Andy Dalton QB (Probowl as rookie)
Cedric Benson HB, A.J Green WR, Jermaine Gresham TE ( was a probowler that year and was pretty good at this time), also had a decent OL. Thats a really good situation for a rookie QB.

Matt Ryan QB
Michael Turner RB (All-pro that year), Roddy White WR (Probowl that year) and a pretty good OL although none made the probowl that year.

Andrew Luck QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Had Reggie Wayne WR and that's pretty much it.

Russell Wilson QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Marshawn Lynch RB (All-pro), Sidney Rice WR, Golden Tate WR, Doug Baldwin WR, Zach Miller TE and had a really good OL with 2 being probowlers and 1 All-pro. Safe to say Wilson had a much better team as a rookie QB, better coach and by far a better defense than Dak had as a rookie.

Cam Newton QB (Probowl as rookie)
Steve Smith WR, Greg Olson TE, Jeremy Shockey TE, DeAngelo Williams RB and a decent OL.

Ben Roethlisberger QB
Hines Ward WR, Marvel Smith OT, Alan Faneca LG (All-pro that year), Jeff Hartings C (All-pro that year) Jerome Bettis RB. Here is another case where it's pretty clear Ben had a much better team as a rookie QB. In fact this was most likely the best situation for any QB in league history. He also benefited from a great defense and Hall of Fame coaching. By the way his production decreased the next 2 years like some say about Dak but thats false as well.

Jameis Winston QB (Probowl as rookie)
Doug Martin RB (All-pro that year), Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson and a pretty good OL but only 1 going to the probowl that year.

Deshaun Watson QB
Lamar Miller RB, DeAndre Hopkins WR, Will Fuller WR and had an ok OL. Only played 6 games that year because he got injured but was tearing up the league in those first 6 games.....helps having the talent he had as well.

Baker Mayfield QB
Nick Chubb RB, Duke Johnson RB, Carlos Hyde RB, Jarvis Landry WR, David Njoku TE and a really good OL. I know it's the Browns but this is really good talent on offense for a rookie QB.

Dan Marino QB (Probowl as a rookie)
Mark Duper WR, Bob Kuechenberg LG, Dwight Stephenson C, Ed Newman RG and also had 2 great backs in Tony Nathan and FB Andra Franklin. This is a really good offense for a rookie QB. Thought it would be fun to use Marino because his rookie season is a top 10 season for rookies.

Dak Prescott QB (Probowl as rookie)
Ezekiel Elliott RB (leading rusher), Jason Witten TE, Dez Bryant WR and 3 all-pro OL. This is a good situation for a rookie QB but it's not the best. OL is the strength but Dez and Witten were on the decline.




Now let's look at these QBs stats and see how they shape up against each other.

Peyton Manning 3-13 record.
56.7% completion. 3739 yards passing. 26 TDs 28 INTs. 6.5 ypa. 233 ypg. 71.2 rating. 1 game winning drive and 1--4th quarter comeback.

Ben Roethlisberger 13-0 record.
66.4% completion. 2621 yards passing. 17 TDs 11 INTs. 8.9 ypa. 187 ypg. 98.1 rating. 5 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks

Russell Wilson 11-5 record.
64.1% completion. 3118 yards passing. 26 TDs 10 INTs. 7.9 ypa. 194 ypg. 100 rating. 72.7 QBR. 4 Game winning drives. 3--4th quarter cornerback.

Andrew Luck 11-5 record.
54.1% completion. 4374 yards passing. 23 TDs 18 INTs. 7.0 ypa. 273.4 ypg. 76.5 rating. 65.6 QBR. 7 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Deshaun Watson 3-3 record.
61.8% completion. 1699 yards passing. 19 TDs 8 INTs. 8.3 ypa. 242.7 ypg. 103 rating. 83.6 QBR. 0 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Matt Ryan 11-5 record.
61.1% completion. 3440 yards passing. 16 TDs 11 INTs. 7.9 ypa. 215 ypg. 87.7 rating. 68.5 QBR. 4 game winning drives. 2--4th quarter comebacks.

Jameis Winston 6-10 record.
58.3% completion. 4042 yards passing. 22 TDs 15 INTs. 7.6 ypa. 252.6 ypg. 84.2 rating. 61.1 QBR. 3 game winning drives. 2--4th quarter comebacks.

Cam Newton 6-10 record.
60% completion. 4051 yards passing. 21 TDs 17 INTs. 7.8 ypa. 253.2 ypg. 84.5 rating. 58.1 QBR. 1 game winning drive. 1--4th quarter comeback.

Andy Dalton 9-7 record
58.1% completion. 3398 yards passing. 20 TDs 13 INTs. 6.6 ypa. 212.4 ypg. 80.4 rating. 46.9 QBR. 4 game winning drives. 4--4th quarter comebacks.

Dan Marino 7-2 record.
58.4% completion. 2210 yards passing. 20 TDs 6 INTs. 7.5 ypa. 200.9 ypg. 96 rating. 2 game winning drives. 1--4th quarter comebacks.

Carson Wentz 7-9 record.
62.8% completion. 3782 yards passing. 16 TDs 14 INTs. 6.2 ypa. 236.4 ypg. 79.3 rating. 49.4 QBR. 1 game winning drive. 1--4th quarter comeback.

Dak Prescott 13-3 record.
67.8% completion. 3667 yards passing. 23 TDs 4 INTs. 8.0 ypa. 229.2 ypg. 104.9 rating. 78.8 QBR.
5 game winning drives. 5--4th quarter comebacks.





So as you can see Dak hasnt had the best situation as a rookie QB and beats most every rookie QB in every stat. So the myth these doubters and haters keep spewing from their mouths about Dak is just that. It's false and a blatant lie. For all the Dak supporters y'all already knew this and are ahead of the others.


*WHEW* It's abundantly clear ,regardless of any kind of overhead weather related activities, that you Sir! are not one to be trifled up when concercerning the "striking the flag deep within upon unconquered terrain" as, I personally deem this thread of your construct most admirable in factual full coverage design @Irvin88_4life :bow:
 

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I think people that doubt Dak primarily doubt him because he is an inaccurate passer. 3rd and 10+ is always a give up screen unless it is at the end of the game. Call people haters if you want but most people see inaccurate passing as a concern, and Dak's play since his rookie year hasn't eliminated that a problem.

I'd say we have a 50/50 shot at being set at QB for a long time versus straddled in cap hell.
I'd say the part in bold describes the situation perfectly. And there's no way this would be the case if the part above it (that he's an inaccurate passer) were actually true. Logic says inaccurate passers don't suddenly become accurate late in close games. All the best evidence shows that he's conservative for three quarters (more sacks, throwaways, and checkdowns) and then becomes much more aggressive when the game is close in the 4th quarter.

But you have to wonder how much of the late-game success is based on having played it safe up until that point. Nobody really knows the answer to that one, or if that Giants game is anything more than just one great game against a team with nothing to play for.
 

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Rookie of the year, two pro bowls, three winning seasons, two playoffs and already a playoff victory in his first 3 years speaks for itself.
QB winz, Pro Bowlz, QB winz, Pro Bowlz, QB winz, Pro Bowlz, QB winz, Pro Bowlz, QB winz, Pro Bowlz...

One thing's for sure, CowboyRoyTroll... it sure does speak to how petrified Dak slobberers are of using stats that actually describe how a quarterback throws the ball...
 

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So according to your proof Johnny Hekker is #1 in YPA by a large margin.

According to the stats Johnny Hekker is better than Dak. We need to trade Dak for Johnny Hekker.

If you’re not bright enough to figure out why that’s a bunk argument then you don’t have the requisite intelligence to even try discussing the topic.
 

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I see no lies in his post

Then you’re looking at it through biased lenses.

Even if we describe his accuracy as “poor” which I disagree with.

The poor guts? The poor leadership? Panicking?

All that was complete nonsense as Dak’s leadership and ability to play well in high pressure situations are some of his best attributes.

Dak also reads the field pretty well for a 3rd year QB. He is just really conservative early in games. His field vision has gotten better.

The footwork/mechanics/pocket presence are the only valid parts of his post. The rest is utter garbage.
 

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I'd say the part in bold describes the situation perfectly. And there's no way this would be the case if the part above it (that he's an inaccurate passer) were actually true. Logic says inaccurate passers don't suddenly become accurate late in close games. All the best evidence shows that he's conservative for three quarters (more sacks, throwaways, and checkdowns) and then becomes much more aggressive when the game is close in the 4th quarter.

But you have to wonder how much of the late-game success is based on having played it safe up until that point. Nobody really knows the answer to that one, or if that Giants game is anything more than just one great game against a team with nothing to play for.
Well stated within ones chosen angle of proffered perspective, my highly regarded fellow forum friend& bestower of pertinent pearls of powerful ponderations @percyhoward ,,,yet, what you, my friend ,label as "AGGRESSIVE" in the nut-cracking clock ticks melting rapidly away?,,, others,( primarily myself being the most pertinent one of importance that I am of aware of, ya know?o_O) easily justify it's witness as to HE'S finally granted HIMSELF the GREEN- LIGHT/ MEANS GO switchboard panel light up,to merely engage COMMITTED FOOTBALL MODE ,,,is now authorized,,, SHEESE! ,,, give me the first 3 quarters of him playing in that " COMMITTED FOOTBALL MODE" ,,,& the #38 could easily ride herd over the 4th quarter ice-out victory formations,,,o_O
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seriously, I know yer' catching my drift on this.:starspin::thumbup::starspin:
 
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