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The Mythical Salary Cap Monster

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Nightman, Mar 17, 2014.

  1. Doc50

    Doc50 Original Fan Zone Supporter

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    Again, that's an evaluation and performance problem -- not a cap problem.

    And......oh my God........Marinelli isn't infallible.
  2. Common Sense

    Common Sense Well-Known Member

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  3. Tezz

    Tezz Active Member

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    Cowboys did not have a surplus entering the new year... You are using a what if we push everything into the future type scenario, it isn't likely to happen and I explained issues with it in my previous post. They want to avoid restructuring Carr, Witten and Free unless in emergency because they are trying to get out or stay ahead of the curve. Blind restructuring takes away flexibility by making it difficult to get rid of declining or incorrect valued players. As I stated long contracts rarely last the full duration and cutting causes an acceleration of dead money...
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  4. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    The Redskins paid Hatcher twice more than his value..and gave him a 4-year deal. It would be 'cap hell' if Hatcher was signed for $3 million to $4.5 million a year and there was no way possible we could afford that. That simply was not the case. And that's not 'cap hell.'

    We could have kept Ware if we wanted to. But, he's not worth the money he is asking for at this time because he can't stay healthy and he's north of 30 years old. If we had to release him because we could not get under the cap, that would have been 'cap hell.' But, that wasn't the case either.

    Believe me, 2000-2002 was 'cap hell' for the Cowboys. This ain't it.

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  5. Doc50

    Doc50 Original Fan Zone Supporter

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    And the restructuring hasn't been blind -- it's been directed toward those players that have been productive enough to generate some confidence in their ability to continue playing at a high level. You can say that advancing age will always bring about declining performance and injuries, but at what age? That's another dilemma of evaluation requiring both expertise and blind-*** luck.
  6. SkinsFan28

    SkinsFan28 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe not cap hell, but possibly cap purgatory? That is a place where, although you can land anyone you want, you aren't fully able to maneuver without pushing money down the road. It also tends to mean you either A) have a few big name talents that must stay healthy and perform, or you have a ton of no name talents you are hoping to breakout. An injury or dud puts your team at risk.

    I know the spiel about injuries is that they happen to every team, and they clearly do, but that's where depth comes in. Vinnie Cerrato definitely had no understanding of that, as an example when Phillip Daniels went down in a preseason game, rather than next man up, he traded a 2nd round pick for the Dolphins guy. He constantly (with Snyders blessings) would pay that one big name, and leave the roster in shambles behind the 22 starters.

    The cowboys, and redskins, will always have the cash to land players, and thus will always be able to maneuver within the cap. Heck even with 2 straight 18mil deductions, we kept our own and the first year brought in who we wanted. Without that severe a penalty, there is no reason to think the cowboys couldn't use cap manipulation techniques to get who they want when they want them. They just might not be able to put the depth in place needed to survive the full season.
  7. BlindFaith

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    All he showed is that you can "borrow" to artificially inflate the cap, and then operate as normal as long as you don't keep borrowing and borrowing. But why borrow to begin with? It should be to get an edge or to be able to add a couple components to get you into a position to win. Did we ever do that, that win part? No.

    But we continue to borrow and borrow and see no results. That is bad management.

    See below. Dallas lead the league in dead money. The results below were the Friday prior to the start of FA, so the numbers are not reflective of what has happened so far during FA, but you can see the shape of every team before they started spending.

    You can see that the successful teams of late - Denver, Seattle, Cinci, Colts, San Fran, KC. All middle of the pack or much, much lower in regards to dead money.

    Dallas? Leading the pack by over 9 million. They really are in a class, use that term loosely, of themselves.

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  8. SWG9

    SWG9 Well-Known Member

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    It's a fact that Dallas has replacement level players starting every year and next to no depth.

    Yet there's nothing wrong with their approach to the cap, nothing wrong with player development, nothing wrong with the extensions they hand out, and nothing wrong with the coaching.

    Just those gosh darn injuries.

    Connect the dots.
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  9. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Says who, infidel?
  10. Wolfpack

    Wolfpack Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget that bad luck thing too. Darn bad luck.
  11. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    Outstanding, BF.
  12. Kaiser

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    They didn't draft any Front 7 players because they didn't expect five of their top six DL to be injured. If they had taken Floyd in the first and everyone had been healthy, Floyd wouldn't have played much. Then posters would be screaming about it louder than they did about Escobar.

    Or perhaps commented on our starting center, Phil Costa.
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  13. SkinsFan28

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    I noticed on overthecap, and this chart reflects it, that Dallas does not give roster bonuses. Every other team uses it to some degree, but Dallas has not one player that will receive a roster bonus. Does anyone know what the philosophy there is?

    It's just a curiosity question.
  14. Pessimist_cowboy

    Pessimist_cowboy Well-Known Member

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    How much do we gain in salary cap THIS year if we cut Kyle Orton ?
  15. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    I think it is something like $900K. But that is to cut him, not if he retires.
  16. Stryker44

    Stryker44 Well-Known Member

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    Restructuring and prorating can work well in theory. But if a player doesn't work out, or has a career-ending injury, its much like defaulting on a loan and all that guaranteed money becomes a hit on the cap right then and there.
  17. Oh_Canada

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    That's what I was saying. The cap isn't the problem, it's not addressing a position for a very long time, you can't possibly rebuild an entire unit by free agency alone. They didn't draft or sign a single UDFA lineman last year -that's absurd.
  18. Cowboys22

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    It doesn't take a genius to understand that but what is the alternative? Not re-signing your best players in their prime? Jerry hasn't re-signed a single player that nearly everyone of us did not want Dallas to keep at the time. He did his best to keep that 13-3 team together for another 4 or 5 shots at a super bowl. It was the players that didn't keep up their end but how is anyone supposed to know which players will continue to play at the same level? The decision makers can only go off how the player performed during their rookie deal. If you want to keep them because they have done well, then you have to pay market rates. The only way to do that is to do what Dallas has done or simply let guys like Ware walk when their rookie deal is up. Those complaining about cap management are misguided. If Ware was still a 15-20 sack a year guy and Austin was still a #1 WR, they would both still be Cowboys and no one would be complaining about anything. The problem is simply that to many players in Dallas are playing for a big payday, not a ring. When they get that payday, they coast and a team cannot compete with high-priced players coasting through their career instead of striving for a ring.
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  19. Oh_Canada

    Oh_Canada Well-Known Member

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    Bottome three in dead money....Oakland, Cleveland and Jacksonville, guess that makes them good managers?
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  20. Stryker44

    Stryker44 Well-Known Member

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    The thing is...Seattle won with one of the youngest teams in the NFL. What does that tell you? They are hungrier while getting paid less? Sort ironic don't you think?

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