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41gy#;2545993 said:
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Tarshard Choice.


Terrell Owens needs to go. I don't think this offense should be built around him. His eratic behavior and "status" on the team is hurting this team. His comments in the media are under-cutting the offensive coordinator and quarterback.

As Mike Singletary said, "Can't win with him, can't do it. He's got to go"

Getting rid of Tank, Pacman, and Owens is the first step to getting this lockerrom back to one piece. It is the first step to ensuring Tony Romo is the sole leader of that offense. It is the first step to showing that Tony Romo is the face of the franchise.

If Romo can't demand accountability out of Owens, he can't do it to the rest of the offensive players. His leadership is under-cut, and he looks weak. The defensive players need to know Romo is the leader. If he sinks, the franchise sinks, not Owens.




When did Singletary say this? Or is this another attempt to smear Owens name with a lie.hmmmmmmmm
 

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I wonder if TO was let go, if there would be a bidding war for him? I suspect but do not know that there would be less than a few teams bidding for him.

Pretty telling if you ask me. If I am wrong and plenty of teams would pursue him then I would agree that this TO thing is overblown.

Being that TO has not been let go, I guess we just will not know for sure; but if the last time TO was a FA is any indicator I believe my initial observation would hold true.
 

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I LOVE ME SOME ME!;2546005 said:
When did Singletary say this? Or is this another attempt to smear Owens name with a lie.hmmmmmmmm
He's not trying smear Owens. He was only making an analogy to his post using Singletary's words. Here you go:

Excerpted --> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jUSBBMKoSuqWnUD7QpC8V41ID74Q

Singletary made headlines in his first game at the helm when he banished tight end Vernon Davis to the locker room following an unnecessary-roughness penalty during a loss to Seattle.

"I would rather play with 10 people and just get penalized all the way until we got to do something else, rather than play with 11 when I know that right now that person is not sold out to be a part of this team," Singletary said at the time. "Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners."

It'll be alright...
 

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I LOVE ME SOME ME!;2546005 said:
When did Singletary say this? Or is this another attempt to smear Owens name with a lie.hmmmmmmmm


I'm referring to Singletary's press conference when he talked about some of the players on the team. He sent Vernon Davis back to the lockerroom during the game for a mistake. Singletary was saying that you can't win with me players. You know, the players that love them some them.

Look, Owens can play. He plays hard, and I'm not trying to smear Owens. I have been in T.O.'s corner.

However, as a fan, I'm looking at the state of Tony Romo, who plays the most important position on the team, and I look at Owen's stature on this team. I look at his comments and behavior on the sidelines when things don't go his way. Going off on Ray Sherman showed up Romo on national T.V. It wasn't the first time. It under-cuts his leadership and status. The team needs to know that you don't treat your franchise quarterback like some punk when things don't go your way or if he plays bad.


How can you defend this?

"I don't call the plays".

"I don't throw the ball".

"I need more opportunities".

He said this after being thrown to 18 times in the first Washington game. What do you think Marion Barber or Felix Jones thought about that comment. They are the ones with a real complaint, but they didn't say a word.

"If I get the ball, the offense does better".


"I'll consult Jerry about the offense if he asks me".

This guy has thrown the franchise's most important player under the bus at press conferences. He's undermined the offensive coordinator in the press.

He is eratic. He throws roses and daggers. I don't need the daggers if I'm running this organization.

This team can win without him. He isn't worth the trouble. I don't need my quarterback or coordinator forcing him the football.
 

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DallasEast;2546009 said:
He's not trying smear Owens. He was only making an analogy to his post using Singletary's words. Here you go:

Excerpted --> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jUSBBMKoSuqWnUD7QpC8V41ID74Q

Singletary made headlines in his first game at the helm when he banished tight end Vernon Davis to the locker room following an unnecessary-roughness penalty during a loss to Seattle.

"I would rather play with 10 people and just get penalized all the way until we got to do something else, rather than play with 11 when I know that right now that person is not sold out to be a part of this team," Singletary said at the time. "Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners."

It'll be alright...


Thanks, DallasEast. That wasn't up when I replied, or I would have shut up.
 

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41gy#;2546035 said:
I'm referring to Singletary's press conference when he talked about some of the players on the team. He sent Vernon Davis back to the lockerroom during the game for a mistake. Singletary was saying that you can't win with me players. You know, the players that love them some them.

Look, Owens can play. He plays hard, and I'm not trying to smear Owens. I have been in T.O.'s corner.

However, as a fan, I'm looking at the state of Tony Romo who plays the most important position on the team, and I look at Owens stature on this team. I look at his comments and behavior on the sidelines when things don't go his way. Going off on Ray Sherman showed up Romo on national T.V. It wasn't the first time. It under-cuts his leadership and status. The team needs to know you don't treat your franchise quarback like some punk when things don't go your way or if he plays bad.


How can you defend this?

"I don't call the plays".

"I don't throw the ball".

"I need more opportunities".

He said this after being throw to 18 times in the first Washington game.

"If I get the ball, the offense does better".


"I'll consult Jerry about the offense if he asks me".

This guy has thrown the franchises most important player under the bus at press conferences. He's undermined the offensive coordinator in the press.

He is eratic. He throws roses and daggers. I don't need the daggers if I'm running this organization.

This team can win without him. He isn't worth the trouble. I don't need my quarterback or coordinator forcing him the football.

I wish the coaches after the game would come out and say:

- We really struggled today as TO could not get off a jam

- We really had things going our way, but TO had his usual key drop and that cost us big

- I just call the plays, I can't catch the ball for TO

- TO ran some pretty bad routes today

Signed Coaching Staff...Just keep'in It Real
 

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I'm really going to go OFF and let him have it.
Laced throughout this forum, you can't escape it.
It's the easy target, chicken-crap, no courage, no thinking, scapegoat thing to say.
"Oh, Dallas didn't live up to expectations? Get rid of T.O."
"Oh, the slightest thing wrong? Get rid of T.O."
"Traffic light out in Fort Worth? Get rid of T.O."
"Hurricane passes through Texas? Get rid of T.O."

It's what all the idiot pundits and T.V. talking heads resort to anytime there's a hangnail or nose bleed in Dallas. "Get rid of T.O." The same yappers who so many of you despise for their anti-Dallas sentiments. It takes NO courage to "blame T.O.", because it's safe and you know that nobody will challenge you. It's like telling jokes about white, Christian males, because you know that no one will challenge you on it because it's the "in vogue" and acceptable thing to do.

The only sin T.O. has committed in Dallas is maybe, only because he wants to win so much, that he airs out his thinking in public. But even THAT has been minimal. His reputation precedes him, so he's got to bear the brunt of that. Even though he was right about everything he said in Philly, his way of going about it ruffled alot of feathers.
He's never committed a crime. Never been suspended (by the league) for anything. Stays in maximum shape year round. And wants to win so badly that maybe his mouth runs before his brain realizes it's moving.
If this team had another 40 T.O.'s on it, we wouldn't be in this position.
This team has three major problems, and T.O. isn't one of them.
Jerry Jones meddling and domineering.
Bad and uninspired coaching (see "Jerry's meddling above) resulting in undisciplined and stupid play.
And finally, Romo needs to be "Holmgrenized".

That's it. Three things. T.O. is NOT the problem in Dallas, and I'm sick of hearing it.

Bravo! Bravo! And I mean it! This is a great post. I'm one of few in here that believes the same. T.O.'s rants on the sidelines are made out by media outlets to be those of a madman and a cancer to the team. Shame on them and all of you who are considerably brainwashed by it all.

At least T.O. shows emotion and wants to win. At least T.O. is man enough to wear his heart on his sleeve, something that this team has severely lacked since Jimmy Johnson left.

It's simple. Irvin did the same thing on the sidelines. Camera's would pan his way and he'd be in people's faces. T.O. is doing the same but it is put in a different light due to his past transgressions with his past two teams.

Go Cowboys!
 

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gbrittain;2546049 said:
I wish the coaches after the game would come out and say:

- We really struggled today as TO could not get off a jam

- We really had things going our way, but TO had his usual key drop and that cost us big

- I just call the plays, I can't catch the ball for TO

- TO ran some pretty bad routes today

Signed Coaching Staff...Just keep'in It Real


Excellent!:laugh2:
 

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DallasEast;2545860 said:
Well, that's your right, but I don't have to "give" Terrell Owens jack.

I'm a fan of the Dallas Cowboys franchise. I don't have to root for him. One can be a fanatic of this team without wanting to join some self-promoting Terrell Owens-based cult. I root for the offense, defense and special teams for which he is only an individual player of... and that's just on offense. Additionally, I had done so for 30 years prior to him being here and, if blessed, will do so for 30 or more years after his playing days in Dallas are over.

These are not the Terrell Owens Cowboys. He's not lined up at 22 different positions for 60 minutes every game. He's not standing on the sidelines pretending to be the StayPuff MarshMallow Man or even Red Jesus. He's only one player who is being paid an enormous sum of money by Jerry Jones to do a job just like many other players. If I didn't know better, I would think that, based on the testimony of some, Owens donned a Cowboys uniform as a favor to Jones and contributed his entire contract to charity. please.

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This is where we disagree the most.
We, as fans, plumbers and bartenders and bank tellers and painters and architects and doctors............................we have ZERO say and ZERO input as to who or what Jerry brings to the table. For all my defending of T.O. after a few years in Dallas, all things being equal, I didn't want any part of him before he arrived. No one with half a brain would.
Never the less, Jerry went after him and got him. I didn't want any part of Deionne Sanders either, but guess what? Doesn't make one spit's difference what I prefer or want.
Hell, I didn't want any part of Phillips or Garrett either, and look what that got me!?!?!?!?
So, again, for all you "TEAM FIRST" guys who use THAT club to diss T.O., it's the very club you need to swing at yourself. Because like it or not, Owens is a part of this team..........A HUGE PART despite what you think or want.
So hey, Joe "he's not a team player", why don't YOU be a team player and stand by your TEAM. You know, a TEAM that consist of all it's parts and players...............including the draconian and evil Terrell Owens?
 

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lewpac;2546103 said:
This is where we disagree the most.
We, as fans, plumbers and bartenders and bank tellers and painters and architects and doctors............................we have ZERO say and ZERO input as to who or what Jerry brings to the table. For all my defending of T.O. after a few years in Dallas, all things being equal, I didn't want any part of him before he arrived. No one with half a brain would.
Never the less, Jerry went after him and got him. I didn't want any part of Deionne Sanders either, but guess what? Doesn't make one spit's difference what I prefer or want.
Hell, I didn't want any part of Phillips or Garrett either, and look what that got me!?!?!?!?
So, again, for all you "TEAM FIRST" guys who use THAT club to diss T.O., it's the very club you need to swing at yourself. Because like it or not, Owens is a part of this team..........A HUGE PART despite what you think or want.
So hey, Joe "he's not a team player", why don't YOU be a team player and stand by your TEAM. You know, a TEAM that consist of all it's parts and players...............including the draconian and evil Terrell Owens?
I do stand by the team. I indicated as much in my post.

Take any aspect of life. There are more than enough examples of one individual enjoying a group of people, but not all. This is no different. Football fanship isn't supposed to be a mindless exercise.
 
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gbrittain;2546049 said:
I wish the coaches after the game would come out and say:

- We really struggled today as TO could not get off a jam

- We really had things going our way, but TO had his usual key drop and that cost us big

- I just call the plays, I can't catch the ball for TO

- TO ran some pretty bad routes today

Signed Coaching Staff...Just keep'in It Real





Back with the TO cant get off the jam eh?:rolleyes:


I thought i already smacked that ******* theory in the face. Oh well, maybe you should tell Adam to post pictures of game tape so you all can look even dumber for saying TO can get off a jam.


And i wouldn't mind the coaches saying what TO did wrong if asked what happened.
 

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I LOVE ME SOME ME!;2546116 said:
And i wouldn't mind the coaches saying what TO did wrong if asked what happened.

The coaches won't do that in public. They have more class than that, unlike some people we know. ;)
 

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Fletch;2546080 said:
Bravo! Bravo! And I mean it! This is a great post. I'm one of few in here that believes the same. T.O.'s rants on the sidelines are made out by media outlets to be those of a madman and a cancer to the team. Shame on them and all of you who are considerably brainwashed by it all.

At least T.O. shows emotion and wants to win. At least T.O. is man enough to wear his heart on his sleeve, something that this team has severely lacked since Jimmy Johnson left.

It's simple. Irvin did the same thing on the sidelines. Camera's would pan his way and he'd be in people's faces. T.O. is doing the same but it is put in a different light due to his past transgressions with his past two teams.

Go Cowboys!


Just out of curiosity, what other player do you know yells at his position coach and gets away with it?

I remember when Jeff George yelled at June Jones, and he was promptly either benched or let go (can't remember which). Do you have any other example of a player going off on his boss, and this being deemed acceptable?

And while I'm at it in what profession is it acceptable to yell at your immediate supervisor or boss?

Oh, and it's not being brainwashed. It's understanding life and what actions are and are not acceptable. Maybe you find that acceptable, but I don't. Yelling at players? Yeah, I can see that. Yelling at your coach, assistant coach or position coach? Most people, I dare say, would find that totally unacceptable.

And I don't think I need to tell you why.
 

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tyke1doe;2546170 said:
Just out of curiosity, what other player do you know yells at his position coach and gets away with it?

I remember when Jeff George yelled at June Jones, and he was promptly either benched or let go (can't remember which). Do you have any other example of a player going off on his boss, and this being deemed acceptable?

And while I'm at it in what profession is it acceptable to yell at your immediate supervisor or boss?

Oh, and it's not being brainwashed. It's understanding life and what actions are and are not acceptable. Maybe you find that acceptable, but I don't. Yelling at players? Yeah, I can see that. Yelling at your coach, assistant coach or position coach? Most people, I dare say, would find that totally unacceptable.

And I don't think I need to tell you why.

some people cant get that in a normal society there is a wrong way and a right way to do things and cant comprehend why others dont see things the way they do.....it is not, and never has been acceptable to yell at an employer no matter how much you may be right.....but i guess since he is a playmaker and does little funny dances when he scores he should be an exception..........

I actually like T.O. (the player) cant stand T.O. (the person) ....but i strongly believe his presence in the locker room is just not a good thing any longer....of course every time i say anything about the guy i get the "Agenda" tag
 

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Lewpac, T.O. is a problem, but he's not the only problem. For somebody who calls for the ball so much, he sure does drop a lot of gimme grabs. This is the NFL. If the ball touches your hands, it's catchable and needs to be caught.

Take a catching clinic; then call for balls, T.O. You'd be a benefit to the Cowboys if you'd shelve the me-me-me attitude and play team ball.
 

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DallasEast;2546113 said:
I do stand by the team. I indicated as much in my post.

Take any aspect of life. There are more than enough examples of one individual enjoying a group of people, but not all. This is no different. Football fanship isn't supposed to be a mindless exercise.

I respect your sentiments, and I don't want any "problem children" either. I've been a fan since I was 4 years old in 1964. I would love to have a team full of Roger Staubachs and Randy White's and Troy Aikmans and Lee Roy Jordans. I would love to have team with Church going boy scouts who love their God and country and, stay married to the same gal and raise goody-goody kids.
But the reality, in this time, is anything but THAT, and we all know it. These young kids, many of them from broken family's, raised in troubling situations but somehow have skills....................the get a pass through college, get drafted, and bring a lot of undisciplined and immoral and unethical behavior with them.
Thats the "deal with the devil" state of Pro Sports now, and has been for a couple decades. There's no going back and nothing that can be done about it. Every team, NFL, MLB and NBA, everyones gotta' deal with this reality.
So we got T.O. and a couple other "sideways" guys who don't wanna' play nice or play by the rules. Welcome to the modern age of professional sports.
The Dallas Cowboys aren't exempt from this relatively new phenomena.
In a zero-sum world of Pro Sports, I'll deal with T.O. He brings enough to the table to tolerate his shenanigans. If it's not him, it would someone else anyway..............................
 

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Football Is Erick;2546199 said:
Lewpac, T.O. is a problem, but he's not the only problem. For somebody who calls for the ball so much, he sure does drop a lot of gimme grabs. This is the NFL. If the ball touches your hands, it's catchable and needs to be caught.

Take a catching clinic; then call for balls, T.O. You'd be a benefit to the Cowboys if you'd shelve the me-me-me attitude and play team ball.

Fair enough. He gets paid to do one thing. Catch anything you can touch. And I DO believe that if you're a pro, a TOP-TIER highly paid pro, you should catch anything you touch.
But again, anytime I hear the "me-me-me" from T.O., it's, 100% of the time", born from his desire to win. And he's correct that, on the short list of reasons for Dallas being able to win, he understands that HIM getting the ball helps a ton. Arrogant? Perhaps. Cocky? Yeah, maybe. But he's dead on right. "Get me the ball, and it ain't gonna' hurt our chances of winning".
That's what I hear "between the lines" when he goes off on one of his tirades...................
 

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I LOVE ME SOME ME!;2546116 said:
Back with the TO cant get off the jam eh?:rolleyes:


I thought i already smacked that ******* theory in the face. Oh well, maybe you should tell Adam to post pictures of game tape so you all can look even dumber for saying TO can get off a jam.


And i wouldn't mind the coaches saying what TO did wrong if asked what happened.

Game tape from the whole year or game tape from a game or two? If I post some game tape of Drew Bledsoe running for a first down does that make him mobile? If I post some game tape of Vince Young throwing accurate passes, does that make him an accurate passer? If I post some video of Proctor blocking his man, does that make him a good blocker?

It will take more than TOs biggest cheerleader saying TO did not struggle with the jam, to make that statement true. Maybe you are right though, and I do not say that sarcastically.

Maybe you would not mind the coaches saying what TO did wrong. Two problems though. First of all, it is not a great idea to air those things out in public...matter of fact is stupid. That is not what good leadership does and it is not condusive to a winning environment, but it does make for a great back stabbing, divisive, non-team oriented environment.

Second of all, if you think TO can handle his own teamates and coaches being critical of him publicly then I really do not know what to say.

I do not hate TO, but I love the Cowboys more than anyone individual player. I think he is detrimental to the team. It is my opinion just like it is your opinion that he is not.

Unfortunately for TO, past history does not work in his favor. He created the baggage and now he has to carry that burden. He does not get my benefit of the doubt.
 

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tyke1doe;2546170 said:
Just out of curiosity, what other player do you know yells at his position coach and gets away with it?

I remember when Jeff George yelled at June Jones, and he was promptly either benched or let go (can't remember which). Do you have any other example of a player going off on his boss, and this being deemed acceptable?

And while I'm at it in what profession is it acceptable to yell at your immediate supervisor or boss?

Oh, and it's not being brainwashed. It's understanding life and what actions are and are not acceptable. Maybe you find that acceptable, but I don't. Yelling at players? Yeah, I can see that. Yelling at your coach, assistant coach or position coach? Most people, I dare say, would find that totally unacceptable.

And I don't think I need to tell you why.


Uh...you must have forgotten Rich Gannon screaming at Bill Calahan. Jerry Rice screaming at Steve Mariucci. Steve Young screaming at Marc Trestman. Michael Irvin and Troy Aikman screaming at multiple people. Phil Simms screaming at Bill Parcells.

Maybe this video will give you a revelation. Happy New Year.

http://media.putfile.com/Double-Standard-Depicted-Beautifully
 
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