The NFL is losing itself

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I'm not a Mark Cuban fan, but he had it right when he attached the old stock-market mantra to the NFL, "Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered." Cuban claims the oversaturation of the NFL is going to hurt it eventually. Perhaps, but I think there's far more to it than that.

It's still the beast of pro sports, but ratings are slipping and complaints are mounting.

The NFL is not great because it's football. There are lots of other varieties of football to watch -- various levels of college, CFL, Arena, etc -- and by and large, games become more than just a bit repetitive, respectively. Generally, we see the same general play, the same cadence, and the same basic set of results play out each weekend here, there, and everywhere. We've seen it. The TV is dripping in it.

What makes the NFL isn't just the elevated talent pool. It's the tradition and lineage we hunger for. We tune in to a random Colts-Chargers game, and we don't just see the game at hand. We know what that is, a matchup of a storied franchise of Unitas and Bert Jones and Peyton Manning that went through dark times through the 80s and 90s and got hammered for selecting Trev Alberts in the draft years after upsetting the Cowboys in Super Bowl V........against a team once known for Air Coryell and Chuck Muncie and John Hadl and letting Drew Brees walk when Philip Rivers was drafted. We see all of those teams, not just today's rosters.

The NFL is the NFL. It needs to remember how much that means. Too much tinkering is hurting the product, and not insignificantly. It's faltering.

Simple things, like these stupid "Color Rush" jerseys are ruining the immersion of watching a game. Soon, we'll be slammed in the face with pink for breast cancer awareness, followed by military day, followed by whatever else they invent in their minds to make money. Every weekend seems to have a different clothing theme to make the simple-minded rush out to spend money they don't have on things they'll wish they never bought. Never mind us.

Rumors still abound about a team in London, perhaps even Mexico, Canada, and Japan. It's a dream that none of us have, just a few suits in a conference room who have a disturbing indifference and lack of understanding.

Kickoffs are vanishing. Rules are under a constant flux with complicated catch rules, botched replays, and vague interpretations of ambiguity. The concussion protocol that makes no medical sense whatsoever. The players are at fault, too, with a constant stream of off-field incidents and violations, capped with this year's new rage, the Anthem protest. It's not a job anymore, it's a "platform".

Why can't it just be about NFL football again?

Then there's this oversaturation of Fantasy Football that not only clutters the TV screen, but seems to be affecting rules decisions by the NFL, which seems obsessed with making the 60+ point game the new normal. Apparently, kids and casuals don't stick around for a 17-13 game, so we have to get rid of those. Make it like Madden. Yuck.

The NFL needs to re-learn its sweet spot. Casual fans come and go. Nascar got huge in the 90s, and massive tracks with 200,000 seats were built. Now, those tracks sit largely empty on race day. The NFL should learn from such examples.

Note to the league: Cater to us, the longtime fans who know your league and it's heritage. Trust us to pass it on to our kids the way it was passed on to us. Your game and your league was tremendous just a few short years ago.

Stop trying to create and cram half-baked ideas down the throats of your next generation with tricked up uniforms, rules, graphics, themes, and other meaningless ideas that aren't improving the root of your product. Innovation is good, but think it through more and respect the fabric and history of your great game.

It's good to grow, so long as you remember who you are.
 
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Well said.
The uniform stuff is beyond ridiculous. Color rush and throw backs. It ruins watching games at times.
And also as you said, and even though it has been scaled back some, they still throw this pink at us all month long. I support it, but all month long. Tone it down some more. Make everyone aware, but no need to go over board. It is geared more to sales than it is about awareness IMO.

Another thing is to cut back on the SB halftime crap. That too is about selling ad space for $$$. The rules are a 12 minute halftime, but for the SB it's like 20 to 30 minutes of crap.

They need to look at the real issues going on, like better and more consistent officiating. Hold them responsible for blatant mistakes. Remove some of the stupid rules.
One can go on and on about quite a bit.
 

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And Fantasy football reports and news and stats should be no part of a game or pregame or post game. Keep all that crap on separate shows and different times.
It is like the old betting shows that use to air late Saturday nights. They didn't integrate those shows into Sunday morning shows. So fantasy football shouldn't either. I know that is more the networks than the NFL. But it all goes together.
 

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Fans usually make this argument when their team hasn't had any success for some time. I see Angel fans making this same argument, and many salty fans of various NHL teams making this argument ("the NHL is a joke now, it's gonna fade/wasn't what it used to be" -- usually Calgary and Vancouver and Maple Leaf fans :) )

It's salt, in my opinion, from a fanbase that has had anything to cheer for. <insert any league> is going down hill.

If we produce a winner, these kind of league-lambasting takes go away. I saw it with my Kings (NHL).

The NFL is top dog. The NBA is making a push, but I don't see it ever supplanting the NFL. Cuban has a vested interest in the NBA, so of course he is gonna say that.

Sorry @erod, it was a nice, thought out post and I gave it a like, but this is my observation as a sports fanatic that follows three different leagues religiously. It's a common complaint across the board.
 
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Well said.
The uniform stuff is beyond ridiculous. Color rush and throw backs. It ruins watching games at times.
And also as you said, and even though it has been scaled back some, they still throw this pink at us all month long. I support it, but all month long. Tone it down some more. Make everyone aware, but no need to go over board. It is geared more to sales than it is about awareness IMO.

Another thing is to cut back on the SB halftime crap. That too is about selling ad space for $$$. The rules are a 12 minute halftime, but for the SB it's like 20 to 30 minutes of crap.

They need to look at the real issues going on, like better and more consistent officiating. Hold them responsible for blatant mistakes. Remove some of the stupid rules.
One can go on and on about quite a bit.
Well said. The SB halftime show makes me want to vomit. The idiotic uniforms are just another money spinning scam...Bad Officials MUST be shot the ones that make bad calls against the Cowboys must be shot first. Goodell must go he makes my dick itch!!!
 

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Fans usually make this argument when their team hasn't had any success for some time. I see Angel fans making this same argument, and many salty fans of various NHL teams making this argument ("the NHL is a joke now, it's gonna fade/wasn't what it used to be" -- usually Calgary and Vancouver and Maple Leaf fans :) )

It's salt, in my opinion, from a fanbase that has had anything to cheer for. <insert any league> is going down hill.

If we produce a winner, these kind of league-lambasting takes go away. I saw it with my Kings (NHL).

The NFL is top dog. The NBA is making a push, but I don't see it ever supplanting the NFL. Cuban has a vested interest in the NBA, so of course he is gonna say that.

Sorry @erod, it was a nice, thought out post and I gave it a like, but this is my observation as a sports fanatic that follows three different leagues religiously. It's a common complaint across the board.

Television ratings and attendance are down.
 
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My biggest complaint is how they can just change decades old fundamental rules of the game at a drop of the hat. Returned kicks are up because of a knee jerk reaction to concussions to pretend they care, when anyone that put much thought into the new rule could foresee more kickoff returns.
 

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Well said.
The uniform stuff is beyond ridiculous. Color rush and throw backs. It ruins watching games at times.
And also as you said, and even though it has been scaled back some, they still throw this pink at us all month long. I support it, but all month long. Tone it down some more. Make everyone aware, but no need to go over board. It is geared more to sales than it is about awareness IMO.

Another thing is to cut back on the SB halftime crap. That too is about selling ad space for $$$. The rules are a 12 minute halftime, but for the SB it's like 20 to 30 minutes of crap.

They need to look at the real issues going on, like better and more consistent officiating. Hold them responsible for blatant mistakes. Remove some of the stupid rules.
One can go on and on about quite a bit.

The SB Halftime show is for all the wifey's and casuals, as sad as it is. The NFL knows the true fans are watching the game for the game, they are trying to draw more fans in with over the top, concert productions. It's the way it's been for 20 years.

With that said, I completely agree with you Jazz, get the players their rest and let's play ball!

Although, I won't complain about a Paul McCartney performance :)
 

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I'm not a Mark Cuban fan, but he had it right when he attached the old stock-market mantra to the NFL, "Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered." Cuban claims the oversaturation of the NFL is going to hurt it eventually. Perhaps, but I think there's far more to it than that.

It's still the beast of pro sports, but ratings are slipping and complaints are mounting.

The NFL is not great because it's football. There are lots of other varieties of football to watch -- various levels of college, CFL, Arena, etc -- and by and large, games become more than just a bit repetitive, respectively. Generally, we see the same general play, the same cadence, and the same basic set of results play out each weekend here, there, and everywhere. We've seen it. The TV is dripping in it.

What makes the NFL isn't just the elevated talent pool. It's the tradition and lineage we hunger for. We tune in to a random Colts-Chargers game, and we don't just see the game at hand. We know what that is, a matchup of a storied franchise of Unitas and Bert Jones and Peyton Manning that went through dark times through the 80s and 90s and got hammered for selecting Trev Alberts in the draft years after upsetting the Cowboys in Super Bowl V........against a team once known for Air Coryell and Chuck Muncie and John Hadl and letting Drew Brees walk when Philip Rivers was drafted. We see all of those teams, not just today's rosters.

The NFL is the NFL. It needs to remember how much that means. Too much tinkering is hurting the product, and not insignificantly. It's faltering.

Simple things, like these stupid "Color Rush" jerseys are ruining the immersion of watching a game. Soon, we'll be slammed in the face with pink for breast cancer awareness, followed by military day, followed by whatever else they invent in their minds to make money. Every weekend seems to have a different clothing theme to make the simple-minded rush out to spend money they don't have on things they'll wish they never bought. Never mind us.

Rumors still abound about a team in London, perhaps even Mexico, Canada, and Japan. It's a dream that none of us have, just a few suits in a conference room who have a disturbing indifference and lack of understanding.

Kickoffs are vanishing. Rules are under a constant flux with complicated catch rules, botched replays, and vague interpretations of ambiguity. The concussion protocol that makes no medical sense whatsoever. The players are at fault, too, with a constant stream of off-field incidents and violations, capped with this year's new rage, the Anthem protest. It's not a job anymore, it's a "platform".

Why can't it just be about NFL football again?

Then there's this oversaturation of Fantasy Football that not only clutters the TV screen, but seems to be affecting rules decisions by the NFL, which seems obsessed with making the 60+ point game the new normal. Apparently, kids and casuals don't stick around for a 17-13 game, so we have to get rid of those. Make it like Madden. Yuck.

The NFL needs to re-learn its sweet spot. Casual fans come and go. Nascar got huge in the 90s, and massive tracks with 200,000 seats were built. Now, those tracks sit largely empty on race day. The NFL should learn from such examples.

Note to the league: Cater to us, the longtime fans who know your league and it's heritage. Trust us to pass it on to our kids the way it was passed on to us. Your game and your league was tremendous just a few short years ago.

Stop trying to create and cram half-baked ideas down the throats of your next generation with tricked up uniforms, rules, graphics, themes, and other meaningless ideas that aren't improving the root of your product. Innovation is good, but think it through more and respect the fabric and history of your great game.

It's good to grow, so long as you remember who you are.

Thought that line of thinking was dumb when Cuban said it and still do now
 

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My biggest complaint is how they can just change decades old fundamental rules of the game at a drop of the hat. Returned kicks are up because of a knee jerk reaction to concussions to pretend they care, when anyone that put much thought into the new rule could foresee more kickoff returns.

I completely agree, Ryno. Now this is damning.
 

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Cuban is right, but he needs to be more concerned with putting together a winning team for his team. People want to criticize Jerry for being a bad GM. Cuban is a bad owner to a degree.
What is wrong with an organization that trades away their 1st round picks for what seems like the last 20 years now. As a NBA 2nd round pick has a slim chance to make a team. and no top FA's want to come to Dallas to play for a badly ran team.
:laugh:
 

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I'm not a Mark Cuban fan, but he had it right when he attached the old stock-market mantra to the NFL, "Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered." Cuban claims the oversaturation of the NFL is going to hurt it eventually. Perhaps, but I think there's far more to it than that.

It's still the beast of pro sports, but ratings are slipping and complaints are mounting.

The NFL is not great because it's football. There are lots of other varieties of football to watch -- various levels of college, CFL, Arena, etc -- and by and large, games become more than just a bit repetitive, respectively. Generally, we see the same general play, the same cadence, and the same basic set of results play out each weekend here, there, and everywhere. We've seen it. The TV is dripping in it.

What makes the NFL isn't just the elevated talent pool. It's the tradition and lineage we hunger for. We tune in to a random Colts-Chargers game, and we don't just see the game at hand. We know what that is, a matchup of a storied franchise of Unitas and Bert Jones and Peyton Manning that went through dark times through the 80s and 90s and got hammered for selecting Trev Alberts in the draft years after upsetting the Cowboys in Super Bowl V........against a team once known for Air Coryell and Chuck Muncie and John Hadl and letting Drew Brees walk when Philip Rivers was drafted. We see all of those teams, not just today's rosters.

The NFL is the NFL. It needs to remember how much that means. Too much tinkering is hurting the product, and not insignificantly. It's faltering.

Simple things, like these stupid "Color Rush" jerseys are ruining the immersion of watching a game. Soon, we'll be slammed in the face with pink for breast cancer awareness, followed by military day, followed by whatever else they invent in their minds to make money. Every weekend seems to have a different clothing theme to make the simple-minded rush out to spend money they don't have on things they'll wish they never bought. Never mind us.

Rumors still abound about a team in London, perhaps even Mexico, Canada, and Japan. It's a dream that none of us have, just a few suits in a conference room who have a disturbing indifference and lack of understanding.

Kickoffs are vanishing. Rules are under a constant flux with complicated catch rules, botched replays, and vague interpretations of ambiguity. The concussion protocol that makes no medical sense whatsoever. The players are at fault, too, with a constant stream of off-field incidents and violations, capped with this year's new rage, the Anthem protest. It's not a job anymore, it's a "platform".

Why can't it just be about NFL football again?

Then there's this oversaturation of Fantasy Football that not only clutters the TV screen, but seems to be affecting rules decisions by the NFL, which seems obsessed with making the 60+ point game the new normal. Apparently, kids and casuals don't stick around for a 17-13 game, so we have to get rid of those. Make it like Madden. Yuck.

The NFL needs to re-learn its sweet spot. Casual fans come and go. Nascar got huge in the 90s, and massive tracks with 200,000 seats were built. Now, those tracks sit largely empty on race day. The NFL should learn from such examples.

Note to the league: Cater to us, the longtime fans who know your league and it's heritage. Trust us to pass it on to our kids the way it was passed on to us. Your game and your league was tremendous just a few short years ago.

Stop trying to create and cram half-baked ideas down the throats of your next generation with tricked up uniforms, rules, graphics, themes, and other meaningless ideas that aren't improving the root of your product. Innovation is good, but think it through more and respect the fabric and history of your great game.

It's good to grow, so long as you remember who you are.
Great post. Another thing thats turns fans off. The outrageous costs of everything related to the NFL and the kind of Money being paid to the players. The money is disgusting and most ordinary people simply can not accept it and are turning away from it.
 

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I don't like the Thursday night game every single week. It totally ruins the rhythm of the week. Once in awhile is OK, but not every single week. It is a bit of oversaturation. The stupid alternate jersey thing should also go. Throwbacks once in awhile are fine, but I can only afford so many 120$ jerseys. I have no problem with an NFL team in Canada--it is the only other footballing nation, although I bet the CFL does, but no Mexico or Europe, please.

Some changes that are needed: Expand rosters--sick of seeing street free agents playing late in the year when starters go down. Maybe add one more team to the playoffs in each conference.
 
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