The NFL needs a new strategy

[ConstantReboot]

I'm not an expert in evaluating bruises. My opinions are mostly based on 4 investigators with the NFL who arrived at 4-0 decision there was evidence to rule physical violence occurred and they believed Elliott was involved which was enough for a violation of the Personal Conduct Policy.

I do have more experience in years of seeing local officials not pressing charges on the local football players . And I also know that while there are many contributing factors which lead to a DA not feeling there's enough to prosecute doesnt mean the suspect is innocent .

You can side with whoever you want. You can believe who you want also. But as you stated your stance is based on opinions.

I read the reports and took me the entire day. So my observation is not based on opinions. Its based on evidence. And there just too much evidence proving that the said accuser is lying and making false claims to edict someone of a crime he didn't commit. This doesn't prove Zeke is innocent. Just that the evidence is there to show that he didn't hurt her based on her accusation.

I'm a calling her a liar? Yes I am. And thats based on evidence.

 

[bigbob]

I agree with most of your post. However, the TV sponsers and commercial money are soley based on viewership. So, directly or indirectly the money comes from the fans. No fans watching..no commercials aimed at those fans.

Well Haley they don't know what we actually watch.
it's all goes by the Nielsen ratings and they are estimated based on a few households they monitor.
so if all of us here at the zone decided to not watch Dallas games it wouldn't affect the ratings at all.
Only people monitored by Nielsen have an effect on the ratings.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I'm not an expert in evaluating bruises. My opinions are mostly based on 4 investigators with the NFL who arrived at 4-0 decision there was evidence to rule physical violence occurred and they believed Elliott was involved which was enough for a violation of the Personal Conduct Policy.

I do have more experience in years of seeing local officials not pressing charges on the local football players . And I also know that while there are many contributing factors which lead to a DA not feeling there's enough to prosecute doesnt mean the suspect is innocent .

I 100% agree with you. They do this all over college towns and even a lot of high school towns in Texas and I'm sure other states.

IMO, the federal government should press charges against local law enforcement for doing this. The law should be even handed to all and not selective about who and what charges are pressed. This is a major issue we have today and a core reason their is so much distrust of law enforcement these days.

 

[haleyrules]

Well Haley they don't know what we actually watch.
it's all goes by the Nielsen ratings and they are estimated based on a few households they monitor.
so if all of us here at the zone decided to not watch Dallas games it wouldn't affect the ratings at all.
Only people monitored by Nielsen have an effect on the ratings.

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[Longboysfan]

My point was sponsor's don't like
what some players do.
Any of them could threaten to pull out.

It would take something very big to do that.

The NFL has gotten past Ray Carruth and other larger issues - they will get past this.

 

[Diehardblues]

You can side with whoever you want. You can believe who you want also. But as you stated your stance is based on opinions.

I read the reports and took me the entire day. So my observation is not based on opinions. Its based on evidence. And there just too much evidence proving that the said accuser is lying and making false claims to edict someone of a crime he didn't commit. This doesn't prove Zeke is innocent. Just that the evidence is there to show that he didn't hurt her based on her accusation.

I'm a calling her a liar? Yes I am. And thats based on evidence.

I still have more confidence in these 4 invesitagors than any fan which again they aren't prosecuting the case only determining if there was enough evidence which violates the policy which isn't necessarily the same conclusion as burden of proof in a court of law.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I still have more confidence in these 4 invesitagors than any fan which again they aren't prosecuting the case only determining if there was enough evidence which violates the policy which isn't necessarily the same conclusion as burden of proof in a court of law.

Well thats the issue. It didn't even reached a court of law. And if it didn't reach a court of law there is no crime committed. If these so called 4 investigators found something about Zeke they need to turn it over right away to the proper authorities.

So for the NFL is faulty and inconsistent with their argument on what Zeke did. If you put your trust in 4 NFL investigators you should also be putting trust into the people who handle real investigations, sworn testimonies and written reports by eye witnesses. Maybe then you won't be making the same mistake as what the NFL and Goddell is doing now.

 

[Diehardblues]

I 100% agree with you. They do this all over college towns and even a lot of high school towns in Texas and I'm sure other states.

IMO, the federal government should press charges against local law enforcement for doing this. The law should be even handed to all and not selective about who and what charges are pressed. This is a major issue we have today and a core reason their is so much distrust of law enforcement these days.

Interesting you bring that up. At my Alma Mater recently we've had a rash of charges and accusations which the university was sued for but the local officials haven't prosecuted any of them except where the Federal Prosecutors came in investigating .

If this Suspension holds up we might see Federal Investigators come in and re-evaluate the case. It's not uncommon at all.

But this case might be simply a situation where the DA thought the plaintiff testimonies were inconsistent , could be unbelievable on the stand and poor character plays a role also.

Without a more convincing case it probably would be difficult to find an impartial jury in Columbus for one of the most popular players in at least recent Ohio St history which could jeopardize the DA career. Remember DA is an elected official . If you don't think politics can factor in these local hometown football programs would be very naive and why I have more trust in an outside investigation.

Bottom line just not a solid case to prosecute under the other factors but still enough evidence a violent physical incident occurred to violate the personal conduct policy . The NFL panel is not a criminal court decision.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

The NFL is so popular, at least for now, that it could be its own media though! The NFL is still stuck in the past where it needed the media more than the media needed it. The NFL is very popular and a proven money maker. The media fights over who will get the rights to broadcast games and the ones who get those rights, promote their broadcasts like crazy. The tables have turned and the NFL needs to realize it is the fans they need, not the media.

The one owner who might come closest to understanding this is Jones. And that could make for some interesting developments over the next five years or so.

 

[Diehardblues]

Well thats the issue. It didn't even reached a court of law. And if it didn't reach a court of law there is no crime committed. If these so called 4 investigators found something about Zeke they need to turn it over right away to the proper authorities.

So for the NFL is faulty and inconsistent with their argument on what Zeke did. If you put your trust in 4 NFL investigators you should also be putting trust into the people who handle real investigations, sworn testimonies and written reports by eye witnesses. Maybe then you won't be making the same mistake as what the NFL and Goddell is doing now.

That's where the confusion comes in for fans. A guilty verdict is not required for a violation of the conduct policy.

 

[ConstantReboot]

That's where the confusion comes in for fans. A guilty verdict is not required for a violation of the conduct policy.

No I know exactly the issue at stake here. I know that article 46 gives the authority to the commissioner and that the accused doesn't have to be proven guilty.

But what if the accused didn't even go to trail? What if authorities didn't even warrant this to be a case to begin with? Zeke's case is different in all the other cases. All other cases was based on the fact that the accused went is in trail or has been deliberated and the sentence was given. NFL policy doesn't give the commissioner the power to be the judge, jury and the enforcer. They certainly aren't above the law and can't make up their own verdict just for sake of public relations. Thats where the commissioner has crossed the line here. This will get very ugly and its not the fault of Zeke, or the accuser - its the fault of the commissioner and the NFL.

 

[Diehardblues]

No I know exactly the issue at stake here. I know that article 46 gives the authority to the commissioner and that the accused doesn't have to be proven guilty.

But what if the accused didn't even go to trail? What if authorities didn't even warrant this to be a case to begin with? Zeke's case is different in all the other cases. All other cases was based on the fact that the accused went is in trail or has been deliberated and the sentence was given. NFL policy doesn't give the commissioner the power to be the judge, jury and the enforcer. They certainly aren't above the law and can't make up their own verdict just for sake of public relations. Thats where the commissioner has crossed the line here. This will get very ugly and its not the fault of Zeke, or the accuser - its the fault of the commissioner and the NFL.

My interpretation is the policy has wide latitude in reaching a conclusion that doesn't require a guilty plea or conviction . Brady's suspension last year in which no crime was committed or the Bounty cases in New Orleans. So a crime is not required.

 

[Diehardblues]

No I know exactly the issue at stake here. I know that article 46 gives the authority to the commissioner and that the accused doesn't have to be proven guilty.

But what if the accused didn't even go to trail? What if authorities didn't even warrant this to be a case to begin with? Zeke's case is different in all the other cases. All other cases was based on the fact that the accused went is in trail or has been deliberated and the sentence was given. NFL policy doesn't give the commissioner the power to be the judge, jury and the enforcer. They certainly aren't above the law and can't make up their own verdict just for sake of public relations. Thats where the commissioner has crossed the line here. This will get very ugly and its not the fault of Zeke, or the accuser - its the fault of the commissioner and the NFL.

And I'd have to believe there's been other DV cases whether there's obviously been physical violent evidence where for various reasons were not prosecuted which doesn't mean an act didn't occur or the suspect was innocent .

This is where the NFL policy has latitude in their judgement in enough evidence for a violation but not enough for DA to prosecute.

This thread has been detailed long enough. Time to move on .

 

[Pants]

Here is a new strategy....hire competent people.

People with some common sense and logical thinking.

how DARE you come in here and make sense!!!

 

[T-RO]

It's destroying their league. People watch sports to get away from things like this. Season's getting ready to start and this is all anyone can talk about. It just puts a damper on everything.

It is a huge downer for us Cowboys fans...and justified grounds for a lot of anger. But non-cowboy fans--for the most part-- either actually enjoy the drama or are neutral. Maybe a few w/high character souls are nauseated a bit.

Reality? 98% of the NFL's fans aren't going to watch less.

Speaking for myself...I'm turned off by ALL of it... Seems like I'm watching 3 dirty parties at play here. Will I watch less? Maybe, but probably not.

 

[ConstantReboot]

My interpretation is the policy has wide latitude in reaching a conclusion that doesn't require a guilty plea or conviction . Brady's suspension last year in which no crime was committed or the Bounty cases in New Orleans. So a crime is not required.

Yes I agree. But if there is no crime committed and there are no charges from a court of law, how then can the NFL issue a 6 game suspension when there was no crime involved? Thus this whole thing will get very ugly. It will eventually make the NFL look bad and will lose to public opinion.

 

[ConstantReboot]

And I'd have to believe there's been other DV cases whether there's obviously been physical violent evidence where for various reasons were not prosecuted which doesn't mean an act didn't occur or the suspect was innocent .

This is where the NFL policy has latitude in their judgement in enough evidence for a violation but not enough for DA to prosecute.

This thread has been detailed long enough. Time to move on .

Well in Zeke's case its different. All the other cases regarding DV went thru a court of law. Some were found guilty and other not guilty. The NFL is not a court of law and just because their policy says they can be judge, juror and executioner may not hold up in a real court of law.

Brady's case is different. Its not a DV case. He took it to court as well and had some of it overturned. Zeke is charged for DV based on shaky and unproven evidence. Thus there is a possibility the NFL will relent which I don't think they will. Thus dragging this out for a long durations.

If they went by her testimony and ignored factual evidence, then it will certainly go to court. The NFL may or not win. All evidence will be out in public to see and the commissioner will look like a fool for believing in a liar.

This isn't over yet. No one will win in this case and the NFL will possibly succumb to public opinion. This will probably be the straw the breaks the camels back and Goddell will be fired.

 

[sbark]

I 100% agree with you. They do this all over college towns and even a lot of high school towns in Texas and I'm sure other states.

IMO, the federal government should press charges against local law enforcement for doing this. The law should be even handed to all and not selective about who and what charges are pressed. This is a major issue we have today and a core reason their is so much distrust of law enforcement these days.

...........more powers granted to the Fed govt---hey , what could go wrong?

 

[YosemiteSam]

...........more powers granted to the Fed govt---hey , what could go wrong?

You had better pipe down. Political statements will get you ban.

 

[sbark]

You had better pipe down. Political statements will get you ban.

been there--done that. Life goes on.