The one position that would most help this team.

[CATCH17]

Offensive Coordinator...

 

[tyke1doe]

I can see the argument for this. There is a lot to be said for ball control, clock management and wearing down defenses to win it in the 4th q. A two headed monster could help a lot. I hope we get a good RB this year and I think we can do so without spending a premium pick.

I agree. I'm partial to EE, but the value at 4 might be at another position. It's kind of interesting, really. I thought we would have no shot at EE at the beginning of last year because I expected us to go ... 14-2. Now, we have him if we want him, but we're likely not going to take him because running back isn't highly valued (even though it's what we need to get back to 2014), and we'll likely look elsewhere in the first round.

Be that as it may, we NEED/MUST get a bell cow RB in this draft. And, sorry, I want fresher legs than a free agent back.

 

[tyke1doe]

I was going to say this but it would have been a quick way to turn the board against me.

I'll take one for Team Randy.

 

[tyke1doe]

You know I want to want Ramsey. I do...I think he is going to be a good DB in this league and I think they would like him as he is versatile and can play CB or Safety depending on what they need.

However the thing that bothers me about him is his lack of INTs.

This team has a startling lack of INTs over the last few years...I have not looked it up but I would hazard to guess that the LBs have more INTs than the DBs on this team. So if a player in college is not known for INTs...I really doubt he is going to come to the cowboys and become an INT machine.

Just something to consider.

Although one could argue that if he is a lock down corner, most teams won't throw his way and in turn limits his chances.

A lot of teams didn't throw Deion's way. But when they did ...

 

[tyke1doe]

The draft is about the future, not the next year. Thats what FA is for. With that said, QB is the position in the draft that will help this team more than any other in that regard. Thats if they are deemed franchise QBs by the staff of course.

I don't disagree. However, we're not as certain how these quarterbacks will turnout. But there's almost zero bust potential for Zeke. And neither Goff, Wentz or Lynch are going to help us this year and probably not next. EE will.

 

[AzorAhai]

I don't disagree. However, we're not as certain how these quarterbacks will turnout. But there's almost zero bust potential for Zeke. And neither Goff, Wentz or Lynch are going to help us this year and probably not next. EE will.

Thats absolutely true, but you have to either trust your scouts or fire them and find ones you do trust. If they grade out high on our board you have to take the QB. If not move on and draft someone else.

 

[big dog cowboy]

So we have the no 4 pick in the draft and a chance to grab a potential difference maker. What I want is opinions on which position would most help the team.

Short term - CB
Long term - QB

Either short or long term the answer is most definately not RB.

 

[texbumthelife]

Offensive Coordinator...

I said it before, but I would have given the entire draft for Adam Gase...

 

[Mr Cowboy]

There was discussion on NFL radio with a scout about the running back position. He warned about highly successful RBs from big time schools. He said that these running backs mostly had huge gaping holes, because their teams were so much more talented than their opponent. They don't know how to be patient and wait for the hole to develop, or to take the 2 -4 yards available. He specifically mentioned Alabama, Wisconsin, and Ohio State.

 

[CF74]

Goff at 4 or trade down...

 

[texbumthelife]

You know I want to want Ramsey. I do...I think he is going to be a good DB in this league and I think they would like him as he is versatile and can play CB or Safety depending on what they need.

However the thing that bothers me about him is his lack of INTs.

This team has a startling lack of INTs over the last few years...I have not looked it up but I would hazard to guess that the LBs have more INTs than the DBs on this team. So if a player in college is not known for INTs...I really doubt he is going to come to the cowboys and become an INT machine.

Just something to consider.

Although one could argue that if he is a lock down corner, most teams won't throw his way and in turn limits his chances.

As a former DB and someone who focuses significantly on the position this time of year, I really want to like Jalen Ramsey. His athleticism jumps off the charts. He has great size and he has some versatility. When I watch his tape, however, I see more of a jack of all trades, master of none. I don't see any one area where he is really elite as far as his play is concerned. He doesn't force a lot of turnovers, pick off many passes or even get many passes defended. He's not a great blitzer. He's good and man and ok in zone, but not great at either (which could be a strength or a weakness depending on how you look at it).

If I am taking a DB at #4, I need someone who has shown me they can be elite in some way on the field. Whether it is having a nose for the ball or being a consistent lock down man-to-man corner, I need to see something that tells me that kid is going to do at least one thing at a very high level. I just don't see that from Ramsey.

If we can trade back and pick up some picks and still get Ramsey, I am all for it. It also means I am moving Jones to corner full-time and Ramsey is playing FS. I don't think there is a defensive back in this draft I would take at #4 though.

Personally, if we have decided to stick to more man coverage, I think Alexander should be the target. If we want to go back to zone, Hargreaves is the best zone corner. He is also a ball hawk and a very good tackler.

 

[RandyOh]

I'll take one for Team Randy.

 

[AzorAhai]

As a former DB and someone who focuses significantly on the position this time of year, I really want to like Jalen Ramsey. His athleticism jumps off the charts. He has great size and he has some versatility. When I watch his tape, however, I see more of a jack of all trades, master of none. I don't see any one area where he is really elite as far as his play is concerned. He doesn't force a lot of turnovers, pick off many passes or even get many passes defended. He's not a great blitzer. He's good and man and ok in zone, but not great at either (which could be a strength or a weakness depending on how you look at it).

If I am taking a DB at #4, I need someone who has shown me they can be elite in some way on the field. Whether it is having a nose for the ball or being a consistent lock down man-to-man corner, I need to see something that tells me that kid is going to do at least one thing at a very high level. I just don't see that from Ramsey.

If we can trade back and pick up some picks and still get Ramsey, I am all for it. It also means I am moving Jones to corner full-time and Ramsey is playing FS. I don't think there is a defensive back in this draft I would take at #4 though.

Personally, if we have decided to stick to more man coverage, I think Alexander should be the target. If we want to go back to zone, Hargreaves is the best zone corner. He is also a ball hawk and a very good tackler.

I've generally avoided projecting CBs for us at this point. Nearly impossible to know if we're sticking to the man scheme or switching back to zone. We should have a better idea before the draft after we see what happens in FA, what they do with Carr and the prospect visits. I really wish King would have come out. He was a perfect fit for what Marinelli believes in and could have been had in the 2nd.

 

[tyke1doe]

Thats absolutely true, but you have to either trust your scouts or fire them and find ones you do trust. If they grade out high on our board you have to take the QB. If not move on and draft someone else.

I agree. The running back may be an immediate fix, but the quarterback runs your franchise for the next decade - if you get a good one.

 

[baltcowboy]

You know I want to want Ramsey. I do...I think he is going to be a good DB in this league and I think they would like him as he is versatile and can play CB or Safety depending on what they need.

However the thing that bothers me about him is his lack of INTs.

This team has a startling lack of INTs over the last few years...I have not looked it up but I would hazard to guess that the LBs have more INTs than the DBs on this team. So if a player in college is not known for INTs...I really doubt he is going to come to the cowboys and become an INT machine.

Just something to consider.

Although one could argue that if he is a lock down corner, most teams won't throw his way and in turn limits his chances.

I think he is perfect strong safety for the way football is played now. He is not as big but he reminds me of the late Sean Taylor. He can be beat with speed ( hips are tight) but he forces fumbles and blitzes with the best of them. He also is a world class athlete like Byron Jones.

 

[texbumthelife]

I agree. The running back may be an immediate fix, but the quarterback runs your franchise for the next decade - if you get a good one.

What if you find out in three years, when your young guy gets a chance to play, that he isn't the answer and meanwhile Elliott is the next AD. I'm just saying. There is so much risk involved either way, it's easy to see both sides.

 

[Aven8]

I know posters won't like it, but here it goes. ... RUNNING BACK!

Yes, the position is devalued, but it's still important. You put Ezekiel Elliott behind Romo and watch Romo and the defense get better and watch us take the division. I think EE is better than Murray and would give us an impact similar to the impact Gurley gave the Rams. And unlike the Rams, we have a quarterback (provided he stays healthy).

I think EE might be better than Gurley.

But at 4 it's too much.

 

[sureletsrace]

Quarterback. We literally just saw what happens when you cannot get at least average play from your backup.

If we had average or better play from our backup, this whole season would've been different. Definitely would've won more than 4 games.

We need to get a guy that can sit behind Romo and learn. I trust Romo to groom someone more than Wade Wilson and Jason Garrett.

I think that if we see the team put a high draft pick towards a backup, you'll see a lot more from Romo as far as teaching than we saw with Mcgee and Vaughan. Those were wasted acquisitions and even Romo knew it.

 

[waving monkey]

It all begins and end at the QB position. Then the next big 3; DE,CB,LT.

3 more months,ugh