The proof is in the pudding VT was better than Bledsoe

[Zaxor]

This post is just silly. Regardless of any stats, no team would prefer VT over Bledsoe as their starter. Bledsoe is clearly better than VT. I can watch the games and observe that. And I'm not a Parcells homer either but I'm calling it as it is. You are not going to win an argument suggesting VT is better than Bledsoe at this point in their careers.

well give me something anything besides your word that Bledsoe is/was better this year than VT last year

 

[joseephuss]

you convently ignored fumbles which are not considered in QBR and sacks

also JJ missed 8-9 games and we lost Glenn early on and campbell and key was playing on one leg...for goodness sake if Bledsoe is allowed Flo as an excuse than VT surely can be allowed the same...

again you are giving me nothing concrete to grasp...VT had the much harder road to hoe and put up strikenly similiar numbers

I didn't ignore anything. You had already posted the stat about fumbles, so I saw know need to bring it up again. I brought up stats that you ignored.

 

[Zaxor]

UMMMM, Well it is called watching the games.

If you need to go to NFL.com and look at stats to decide who was better, then all you will probably get is lies, just like this post.

The game of Football and Quarterback play is not based upon stats.

If you cant watch the games and look at the opponents, look at the circumstances, etc. and tell then I feel for ya.

Shoot if you wanna go off STATS Bledsoe was probably better than Aikman ever was, well that would be a lie, but I bet you can go get the STATS to make a post saying the proof is in the pudding Bledsoe is better than Aikman.

STATS LIE! How good is Arizona?

Ranked #8 in Total Offense
Ranked #8 in Total Defense

Why where they 5-11?

Because STATS lie! Because STATS dont win football games.

Stats also do not decide who is the better QB's.

Trust your eyes and senses. USE THE FORCE, not NFL.COM/Stats

so are you telling me if we were in 2004 with Bledsoe... had no JJ, no Glenn, no Campbell and a Key running on a bad wheel but we had Flo that Bledsoe would have done better than VT... I don't believe it

 

[joseephuss]

Bledsoe had 23 TDs, not 25.

We beat Seattle with Vinny. Drew gave the Seattle game away with an interception.

They're both retreads and very similar QBs if you ask me. Vinny never looked quite as jittery as Bledsoe in the pocket though. Testaverde was an interception machine, Bledsoe is a fumble machine (hell he can't even take a snap without fumbling). Turnovers are turnovers and they both produce an inordinate amount.

23 TD passes and 2 TD runs for Drew 2005

17 TD passes and 1 TD run for Vinny 2004

Vinny would have turned it over much more this season if he played behind this line. Look what he did with the Jets this year. He produced 3 TDs(1 passing, 2 rushing) had 6 INTs and 8 fumbles, 6 lost. He only threw the ball 106 times. Ouch! Glad he is gone.

I am not saying Bledsoe is a great QB, but I seriously question anyone who thinks he wasn't an upgrade over Vinny.

 

[Champsheart]

so are you telling me if we were in 2004 with Bledsoe... had no JJ, no Glenn, no Campbell and a Key running on a bad wheel but we had Flo that Bledsoe would have done better than VT... I don't believe it

UM, I have never brought up Flo one time, so no that is not what I am saying. Nor have I ever said one thing about JJ, Glenn, KEY, or Campbell, so once again that is not what I am saying.

You did put a lot of words in my mouth though.

 

[Zaxor]

I agree, James. If you polled 32 teams with this very question, you'd likely get 34 responses back in favor of Bledsoe lol.

and they would all be wrong...

again do you think that putting Bledsoe in 2004 instead of VT Bledsoe would have put up the numbers that VT did...no friggin way

no JJ, no TG, no DC, a one legged key and a healthy Flo...

you may be confusing you desire to be right with what is right

 

[Dale]

nope VT did not he threw 3 more int's than TD's but had a lot less fumbles 8 to 18 I think plus less sacks so VT had less negative plays

Out of curiousity -- as I have no idea whom this stat favors -- how many of each quarterback's fumbles resulted in turnovers?

Another factor, IMO, is age. I don't think Vinny could even duplicate last season's performance for another year -- just look at how he performed in New York this year. Just from a physical standpoint, he seemed a lot more worn down. To me, that has to be factored into the whole "Testaverde vs Bledsoe" debate, if you're actually trying to argue which one would be better at this point.

 

[Zaxor]

UM, I have never brought up Flo one time, so no that is not what I am saying. Nor have I ever said one thing about JJ, Glenn, KEY, or Campbell, so once again that is not what I am saying.

You did put a lot of words in my mouth though.

forgive me Champs I am responding to so many... my thoughts are running together

 

[Dale]

and they would all be wrong...

again do you think that putting Bledsoe in 2004 instead of VT Bledsoe would have put up the numbers that VT did...no friggin way

no JJ, no TG, no DC, a one legged key and a healthy Flo...

you may be confusing you desire to be right with what is right

All I'm saying is that I firmly believe that if both were on the same team vying for the same starting job, Bledsoe would win going away. I really have no desire to be right, as I could give a damn which retread is our starting quarterback. But at no point this season, in watching Bledsoe throw the football, did I wish for Testaverde's return. In fact, all season, I actually felt the contrary -- that it was nice to have a semi-productive quarterback again.

Jerry Jones feels the same way. In the locker room after Sunday's game, he said one bright spot he took out of this season was the quarterback play.

 

[Zaxor]

Out of curiousity -- as I have no idea whom this stat favors -- how many of each quarterback's fumbles resulted in turnovers?

Another factor, IMO, is age. I don't think Vinny could even duplicate last season's performance for another year -- just look at how he performed in New York this year. Just from a physical standpoint, he seemed a lot more worn down. To me, that has to be factored into the whole "Testaverde vs Bledsoe" debate, if you're actually trying to argue which one would be better at this point.

Bledsoe lost 8 VT 4

 

[Mash]

I actually enjoyed watching Carter more then these two stiffs........but then again.....Im a sucker for punishment it seems.

The game is won in the trenches.....we need to fix the OL first and then let the young guys play at WR and QB

Bill's philosophy is missing his prime ingrediant.....a dominating OL

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I don't think that is chocolate pudding.

 

[Champsheart]

forgive me Champs I am responding to so many... my thoughts are running together

No Problem!

 

[mr.jameswoods]

well give me something anything besides your word that Bledsoe is/was better this year than VT last year

Honestly, you should feel lucky that people even responded to your thread. That's how ridiculous this thread is. Look, I wasn't in favor of starting Bledsoe this year. I would have preferred to have developed Henson. But Vinny's was a shaky-@$$ old man last year. Since you mentioned it, in that Seattle game, we won in spite of Vinny not because of him. If you sincerely watched that game, you would have remembered how the Seahawks nearly intercepted two more passes by Vinny but dropped them. You would have also remembered how Julius Jones carried us in that game. Every time Vinny threw the ball in the game, I cringed because I was afraid it was going to get picked off. He was playing injured but Parcells was adamant about not playing Henson so Vinny's delivery was off.

 

[Zaxor]

All I'm saying is that I firmly believe that if both were on the same team vying for the same starting job, Bledsoe would win going away. I really have no desire to be right, as I could give a damn which retread is our starting quarterback. But at no point this season, in watching Bledsoe throw the football, did I wish for Testaverde's return. In fact, all season, I actually felt the contrary -- that it was nice to have a semi-productive quarterback again.

Jerry Jones feels the same way. In the locker room after Sunday's game, he said one bright spot he took out of this season was the quarterback play.

LOL

If anything above all else this should prove my point

and again VT had the harder battle had Bledsoe had to have that same battle people would be less inclined to be hooked on Bledsoe

 

[bsheeern]

UMMMM, Well it is called watching the games.

If you need to go to NFL.com and look at stats to decide who was better, then all you will probably get is lies, just like this post.

The game of Football and Quarterback play is not based upon stats.

If you cant watch the games and look at the opponents, look at the circumstances, etc. and tell then I feel for ya.

Shoot if you wanna go off STATS Bledsoe was probably better than Aikman ever was, well that would be a lie, but I bet you can go get the STATS to make a post saying the proof is in the pudding Bledsoe is better than Aikman.

STATS LIE! How good is Arizona?

Ranked #8 in Total Offense
Ranked #8 in Total Defense

Why where they 5-11?

Because STATS lie! Because STATS dont win football games.

Stats also do not decide who is the better QB's.

Trust your eyes and senses. USE THE FORCE, not NFL.COM/Stats

 

[superpunk]

Vinny Testaverde was responsible for 18 TDs in 2004 (17 passing, 1 rushing) He had 24 turnovers. (20 INTs, 4 fumbles)

Drew Bledsoe was responsible for 25 TDs in 2005 (23 passing, 2 rushing, that's 7 more than Vinny for the math challenged) He had 25 turnovers (17 INTs, 8 Fumbles).

Drew Bledsoe was responsible for 7 more TDs this year, and only turned the ball over 1 more time than Vinny.

Are those stats enough for you?

 

[Zaxor]

Honestly, you should feel lucky that people even responded to your thread. That's how ridiculous this thread is. Look, I wasn't in favor of starting Bledsoe this year. I would have preferred to have developed Henson. But Vinny's was a shaky-@$$ old man last year. Since you mentioned it, in that Seattle game, we won in spite of Vinny not because of him. If you sincerely watched that game, you would have remembered how the Seahawks nearly intercepted two more passes by Vinny but dropped them. You would have also remembered how Julius Jones carried us in that game. Every time Vinny threw the ball in the game, I cringed because I was afraid it was going to get picked off.

and I believe we lost this years Seattle game because Bledsoe and your point is...

Who did Vinny have to throw to... Copper?

 

[bsheeern]

and I believe we lost this years Seattle game because Bledsoe and your point is...

Who did Vinny have to throw to... Copper?

Just a quick question. Have you ever played football? If so at what level and what positions did you play?
Thanks

 

[Zaxor]

Vinny Testaverde was responsible for 18 TDs in 2004 (17 passing, 1 rushing) He had 24 turnovers. (20 INTs, 4 fumbles)

Drew Bledsoe was responsible for 25 TDs in 2005 (23 passing, 2 rushing, that's 7 more than Vinny for the math challenged) He had 25 turnovers (17 INTs, 8 Fumbles).

Drew Bledsoe was responsible for 7 more TDs this year, and only turned the ball over 1 more time than Vinny.

Are those stats enough for you?

bledsoe fumbled 17 times (those are drive stoppers and negative plays) on 8 of thos 17 it actually went over to the other team plus he was sacked 15 more times again those are negative plays and he had better weapons around him