The proof is in the pudding VT was better than Bledsoe

[ABQCOWBOY]

A harder schedule? I don't think so. Washington, NY Giants and Seattle were better teams this year than in 2004.

But Philly was dramatically worse. The Philly of 04 pounded the division into submission. That was 2 automatic losses across the board. This year, not so much. In fact, Philly didn't have a single win against the East. If you strickly look at the records of teams played in 04 vs 05, the win/loss of our schedule in 04 was 107W/101L. In 05 it was 107W/101L.

 

[Zaxor]

Just a quick question. Have you ever played football? If so at what level and what positions did you play?
Thanks

yes, SS, HS

 

[joseephuss]

Bledsoe had 23 TDs, not 25.

We beat Seattle with Vinny. Drew gave the Seattle game away with an interception.

They're both retreads and very similar QBs if you ask me. Vinny never looked quite as jittery as Bledsoe in the pocket though. Testaverde was an interception machine, Bledsoe is a fumble machine (hell he can't even take a snap without fumbling). Turnovers are turnovers and they both produce an inordinate amount.

If a Dallas running back runs for 198 yards and 3 TDs in that Seattle game this season, Dallas wins in a romp. Different situations. I thought Seattle was a better team this season when Dallas faced them. I thought Dallas was better, too. At least on the defensive side of the ball. Unfortunately, that was a game played without Flozell Adams, Patrick Crayton or Julius Jones this season.

I agree that Bledsoe looks jittery. I think Vinny just looks lost. He never seemd to be in control of a game. You are right, they are both re-treads. Vinny just seemed to be the worse of the two. There is a reason no team seeked him out after the season or really prior to last season as well. Dallas last year and a desperate Jets team looked at Vinny. There would have been a few other teams interested in Bledsoe if Dallas did not sign him.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

23 TD passes and 2 TD runs for Drew 2005

17 TD passes and 1 TD run for Vinny 2004

Vinny would have turned it over much more this season if he played behind this line. Look what he did with the Jets this year. He produced 3 TDs(1 passing, 2 rushing) had 6 INTs and 8 fumbles, 6 lost. He only threw the ball 106 times. Ouch! Glad he is gone.

I am not saying Bledsoe is a great QB, but I seriously question anyone who thinks he wasn't an upgrade over Vinny.

I seriously question anybody who would say that the line play of 04 was superior to the line play of 05. This is simply not true, IMO.

 

[Dale]

LOL

If anything above all else this should prove my point

and again VT had the harder battle had Bledsoe had to have that same battle people would be less inclined to be hooked on Bledsoe

When Bledsoe is "on," he's a far superior quarterback IMO. When he's "off," he's essentially Testaverde's equivalent.

Bledsoe had nine games with a 90 quarterback rating or higher; Testaverde had five last season. Both quarterbacks had four performances with a quarterback rating in the 100s, but all four of Bledsoe's -- 143, 126, 122 and 118 -- were higher than Testaverde's highest rated game (109). Testaverde also had more sub-60 rating performances.

As I said, it is my belief that Bledsoe, when "on," is better than Testaverde, and the above statistics, I feel, help reinforce that fact. I, therefore, do believe that we can get a little more out of Bledsoe than we could with Testaverde, especially if the talent pool continues to improve around the quarterback position.

 

[joseephuss]

But Philly was dramatically worse. The Philly of 04 pounded the division into submission. That was 2 automatic losses across the board. This year, not so much. In fact, Philly didn't have a single win against the East. If you strickly look at the records of teams played in 04 vs 05, the win/loss of our schedule in 04 was 107W/101L. In 05 it was 107W/101L.

Good points and that is exactly why I don't think last years schedule was more difficult than this seasons. If anything it is a draw. My tie breaker would be that division was tougher this year compared to last year. Two teams made the playoffs from the east.

 

[Kilyin]

Oh that's right, I forgot about Bledsoe's two rushing TDs.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And then Jason Witten emerged. It's obvious after Glenn that we have no ability to throw deep, but it's not like Testes didn't have weapons. A few weeks after Glenn went down JJ came back in, and was more effective than anything we've seen this year, and yet still we lost to worse competition than we faced this year. What do you suppose THAT says?

How so? We rushed for more overall yards this year then last. We enjoyed better time of possesion this year over last, we played better defense. The win loss is the same for both years but the overall talent level of the 04 Cowboys team is much worse then the 05 team.

A quick answer to your question would be that you don't know what your saying here.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

well give me something anything besides your word that Bledsoe is/was better this year than VT last year

How about a HOF coach BP, who I assume knows more about NFL QB talent then any of us Zoners, cutting Vinny and signing Bledsoe to lead our Cowboys in 05.

Will that work?

 

[Kilyin]

How about a HOF coach BP, who I assume knows more about NFL QB talent then any of us Zoners, cutting Vinny and signing Bledsoe to lead our Cowboys in 05.

Will that work?

You mean a HOF coach with a barely .500 record in his 3 years in Dallas and zero postseason wins? The greatest QB Parcells ever had was Phil Simms and that ain't saying much.

 

[Zaxor]

How about a HOF coach BP, who I assume knows more about NFL QB talent then any of us Zoners, cutting Vinny and signing Bledsoe to lead our Cowboys in 05.

Will that work?

Bill hasn't exactly had a good track record with QB's friend

 

[kojak]

Please somebody get on the phone and let Jerry and Bill know we made a mistake at QB. We need to release Bledsoe immediately and bring back Vinny.

Vinny would of let us to the playoff's this year and maybe further...UGH.... Damn you Bill, what the hell was you thinking

 

[Jarv]

How about a HOF coach BP, who I assume knows more about NFL QB talent then any of us Zoners, cutting Vinny and signing Bledsoe to lead our Cowboys in 05.

Will that work?

It would have worked better if we were talking about our playoff game next week instead talking about QB's for next year.

 

[Zaxor]

When Bledsoe is "on," he's a far superior quarterback IMO. When he's "off," he's essentially Testaverde's equivalent.

Bledsoe had nine games with a 90 quarterback rating or higher; Testaverde had five last season. Both quarterbacks had four performances with a quarterback rating in the 100s, but all four of Bledsoe's -- 143, 126, 122 and 118 -- were higher than Testaverde's highest rated game (109). Testaverde also had more sub-60 rating performances.

As I said, it is my belief that Bledsoe, when "on," is better than Testaverde, and the above statistics, I feel, help reinforce that fact. I, therefore, do believe that we can get a little more out of Bledsoe than we could with Testaverde, especially if the talent pool continues to improve around the quarterback position.

now to stir in a little more fecal matter... if you look at there Career stats they are eerily similiar....

so in essence it seems that Bledsoe by your judgment is less "on" than "off"

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree, James. If you polled 32 teams with this very question, you'd likely get 34 responses back in favor of Bledsoe lol.

The question here is would it be because they feel as if Bledsoe is so much more talented or is it because he's 33 as opposed to 42?

Everybody throws Vinnie under the bus but in 04, Vinnie really did not have the talent to work with. OLs were roughly the same IMO. Running game was probably not as good in 04 on the whole. Receiving corps were not as deep. Certainly didn't have the same talent on the field. Defense is not even a question. Again, I will say that the offense of 04 was much more limited then that of 05. I think it's difficult to say that Bledsoe is much better because I don't think that the circumstances are even remotly equal. Vinnie was certainly better at getting rid of the ball. I do believe that he was better at avoiding negative plays. If you ask me who was better, I say Bledsoe but the margin of difference is not great in my estimation. There different models of the same automobile at this point. That is how I would have to describe it.

 

[superpunk]

bledsoe fumbled 17 times (those are drive stoppers and negative plays) on 8 of thos 17 it actually went over to the other team plus he was sacked 15 more times again those are negative plays and he had better weapons around him

But he didn't lose them. I'd take those 7 extra TDs having to sacrifice one more TO any day of the week. Don't forget in your Bledsoe hatred the QB-Center exchange problems had in the beginning of the year. NOONE knows what was going on there.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Bill hasn't exactly had a good track record with QB's friend

That is because BP always says he just needs someone to DRIVE THE BUS!

 

[Dale]

About the strength of schedule...

This year's squad played a *slightly* more difficult schedule. Our opponents' winning percentage this year was .523, compared to last year's of .516.

 

[Kilyin]

But he didn't lose them. I'd take those 7 extra TDs having to sacrifice one more TO any day of the week. Don't forget in your Bledsoe hatred the QB-Center exchange problems had in the beginning of the year. NOONE knows what was going on there.

Yeah they do. Parcells even stated that Bledsoe was the only new element, and the problem never occured until he was under center. When you have a QB fumbling snaps from two different Centers, it's pretty obvious who's "dropping the ball", literally.

 

[kojak]

BELIEVE!!