The Real MVP (Side by Side Comparison)

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The most underrated player in maybe league history is getting no absolutely love. He may have just had the best season no one is talking about. Here is a blind comparison. You decide.

Player 1:
15 games
305 for 435
69.9% Comp
3,705 yards
34 TDs
9 Ints
QBR: 113.2
Team Record: 12-4
Playoff Record: 1-1*
Playoff Stats: 34/50 68% 4 TDs 0 Ints
128.8 QBR 9.75 YPA

Player 2:
16 games
341/520
65.6% Comp
4,381 yards
38 TDs
5 Ints
QBR: 112.2
Team Record: 12-4
Playoff Record: 1-1
Playoff Stats:
43/69 62% 4 TDs 2 Ints
90.6 QBR 7.135 YPA

Note that Rodgers had almost 100 more attempts than Romo. And I don't want to hear about a defensive linemen on an 8-8 team that had a bunch of meaningless stats in meaningless games and caught a couple of meaningless fades on the goal line. This shouldn't even be a debate. Tony Romo...

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Apollo Creed said:
The most underrated player in maybe league history is getting no absolutely love. He may have just had the best season no one is talking about. Here is a blind comparison. You decide.

Player 1:
15 games
305 for 435
69.9% Comp
3,705 yards
34 TDs
9 Ints
QBR: 113.2
Team Record: 12-4
Playoff Record: 1-1*
Playoff Stats: 34/50 68% 4 TDs 0 Ints
128.8 QBR 9.75 YPA

Player 2:
16 games
341/520
65.6% Comp
4,381 yards
38 TDs
5 Ints
QBR: 112.2
Team Record: 12-4
Playoff Record: 1-1
Playoff Stats:
43/69 62% 4 TDs 2 Ints
90.6 QBR 7.135 YPA

Note that Rodgers had almost 100 more attempts than Romo. And I don't want to hear about a defensive linemen on an 8-8 team that had a bunch of meaningless stats in meaningless games and caught a couple of meaningless fades on the goal line. This shouldn't even be a debate. Tony Romo...

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It's about even. Romo better QBR and comp percentage but Rodgers more TDs, less INTs, more yards.

Romo better playoff numbers but the sample size is small.
 
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MVP should not be determined off stats alone.

Romo, as good as he has been all season, and he was damn good. He didn't really have to put the team on his back. Would we win without him? Doubt it, but he didn't have to shoulder the whole load.

If he played this way before we had an O-line, or run game. Then yes.

Nobody on our team is mvp worthy. We all played great as a team, and we were not just great at 1 thing. If you can give the award to a group. Then our O-line for sure.

As much as I hate rodgers. It possibly should be with him.
 
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Frozen700 said:
MVP should not be determined off stats alone.

Romo, as good as he has been all season, and he was damn good. He didn't really have to put the team on his back. Would we win without him? Doubt it, but he didn't have to shoulder the whole load.

If he played this way before we had an O-line, or run game. Then yes.

Nobody on our team is mvp worthy. We all played great as a team, and we were not just great at 1 thing. If you can give the award to a group. Then our O-line for sure.

As much as I hate rodgers. It possibly should be with him.
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Rodgers certainly didn't have to put the team on his back either (No QB does - or can). Nelson, Cobb, Lacy, the best pass blocking OL, a better defense, etc. all contributed.
 
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I think you make a really good case for co-MVPs this season. Not sure how you can give it to one of them and not the other.
 
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ChldsPlay said:
Rodgers certainly didn't have to put the team on his back either (No QB does - or can). Nelson, Cobb, Lacy, the best pass blocking OL, a better defense, etc. all contributed.
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Brady does. Before this Year Big Ben has.
 
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It's close.

Romo won't win it because he has been the butt of joke for the NFL media over the past 6-7 years and they won't fairly assess his performance this year. He led the NFL in QB rating which should mean something right?

Rodgers will win it because he is modern version of Peyton Manning from a NFL media perspective. I also think everybody looking at the stats lines of these two guys automatically gravitate to Rodgers absurdly low INT rats.
 
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Frozen700 said:
Brady does. Before this Year Big Ben has.
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That's simply not true. It is impossible. At least unless you have a QB that runs every play (or throws to himself) without an OL. And then plays defense by himself. Brady has had weapons and a defense. Big Ben has had weapons and a defense.
 
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Factor in the broken back (2x) and countless injuries he overcame. He won basically 5 win or go home games in dramatic fashion. He also had his legacy robbed by the refs. That would have been a legendary throw and catch. 4th and 2 season on the line and you go up top to your playmaker, knowing that he's going to come down with it instead of 'laying up'. That's the stuff that legends are made.
 
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I'd give it to Romo as a Cowboy fan.....but its clear Rodgers is #1. I'd say Romo should be a 2nd. Rodgers has more TD's and less INT's than Romo.
 
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CyberB0b said:
I guess you missed the games against STL, HOU, SEA, JAX, IND, NYG, and DET.
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Maybe I did, Maybe I didn't.

Al I know is, we still had the threat of the running game.

I know it's a cowboys forum, and we believe all of our guys are the best, but it's just not true.

I really dis like Rodgers, but i believe he was deserving of it.
 
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Apollo Creed said:
The most underrated player in maybe league history is getting no absolutely love. He may have just had the best season no one is talking about. Here is a blind comparison. You decide.

Player 1:
15 games
305 for 435
69.9% Comp
3,705 yards
34 TDs
9 Ints
QBR: 113.2
Team Record: 12-4
Playoff Record: 1-1*
Playoff Stats: 34/50 68% 4 TDs 0 Ints
128.8 QBR 9.75 YPA

Player 2:
16 games
341/520
65.6% Comp
4,381 yards
38 TDs
5 Ints
QBR: 112.2
Team Record: 12-4
Playoff Record: 1-1
Playoff Stats:
43/69 62% 4 TDs 2 Ints
90.6 QBR 7.135 YPA

Note that Rodgers had almost 100 more attempts than Romo. And I don't want to hear about a defensive linemen on an 8-8 team that had a bunch of meaningless stats in meaningless games and caught a couple of meaningless fades on the goal line. This shouldn't even be a debate. Tony Romo...

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Romo was 12-3.
 
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CCBoy said:
You often take the argument away from a little difference opine...
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The "volume" argument (that Rodgers had more yards, more TD, etc.) kinda falls flat when you realize Romo totaled more yards and more TD against top 10 defenses, in one less game against those defenses. Rodgers' "volume" advantage was gained by playing one more game than Romo, and by beating up on lesser defenses.

Too bad they vote on this before the playoffs even begin.
 
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AdamJT13 said:
Just FYI, QBR is the ESPN rating for quarterbacks. Romo's 113.2 was his passer rating, which is what the NFL uses. Not that it changes the gist of your post.
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Yep. And I believe Romo's playoffs QBR was pretty mediocre while his playoffs passer rating was the highest.
 
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