The real reason McCarthy was hired has nothing to do with his barn or analytics

[Praxit]

..interesting theory, there might be some weight to that. I personally, don't feel the Jones are smart enough to think that way. They are natural gluts for basic themes. I'm going with MM fit the bill for age, super bowl victory, country style attitude, and winning seasons at GB. Which was more than not, I think. Besides, since its all about money more than winning. Gambling 3 yrs or so, is descent risk.

 

[catiii]

It’s not talked about enough, but I really think the reason he was hired has nothing to do with his barn workshop or 30 min TV special about analytics.

It was 100% about he has developed Montana, Rodgers and others. The Jones’ wanted someone that would take care of their Dak investment. Basically they hired the most expensive QB coach there is.

Playcalling and team management were secondary on the list of reasons. So when Dak goes down, what’s McCarthys purpose? Develop Nooch?

It went stale in GB because Rodgers was developed to the point he no longer needed McCarthy. McCarthy is not a great HC. He’s a great specialist who needs other good specialists around him like Dom Capers to win big games.

IF that's really the case, they should've hired him as a QB coach and got a REAL HC. It also means Jerral's "awesome" QB isn't quite so awesome. Another idiotic Jerral decision. Dak ain't Favre and never will be.

 

[MMObserver]

Brett Hundley was a 5th round QB who is still in the league. Not sure whom all but MM you have been observing but that's a good draft choice use.
Perhaps you'd care to compare him to Dallas back up QBs whom can't even get jobs when they leave except as High School coaches.
Scott Tolzien was an undrafted guy who after a year in SF came to GB and hung around for 3 years then got another 2 in Indy.
If you are scoring along at home that a 6 year career for a guy who was an undrafted FA.

But as a knowledgeable MM observer surely you know about Matt Hasselbeck who credits MM as being the driving force behind his later success with Seattle.

You also know about Matt Flynn who made what 20M in his NFL career?

Maybe you know Graham Harrell better than me(doubtful) a rising star in offensive coaching former coaches kid who credits MM heavily.

Hundley failed miserably when, as Big Mac's hand-picked backup to Rodgers, he threw 12 INTs and just 9 TDs while leading the Pack to ZERO points twice in 2017 while compiling a 3-7 record -- for a team that was 4-1 with Rodgers at QB before his injury.

That said, Hundley still accomplished far more than Tolzien ever did in his 4 career forgettable, winless NFL starts.

As for Graham Harrell? is this the same Graham Harrell whose Packer career consisted of completing 2 of 4 passes for 20 yards and is best remembered for coming in for 1 play and tripping over his feet and fumbling the ball away in a critical game against the Saints?

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...m-harrell-becoming-usc-offensive-coordinator/

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...m-harrell-becoming-usc-offensive-coordinator/

And Matt Flynn had a career 3-4 record in 7 starts during his NFL career with 4 different NFL teams. I guess that qualifies him for journeyman status.

Nothing says QB whisperer than the development of Matt Flynn, Graham Harrell, Brett Hundley, and Scott Tolzien. Nothing.

 

[DasSchnitzel]

Think about what you just said. Business leaders make personal decisions. To make what you said make any sense, but it still doesn't is if you said, business leaders make business decision that they personally don't want to make. But here's why even that is still wrong because at the moment Jones fired Garrett he gave up on him. If he hadn't he wouldn't have fired him.
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I said business leaders make personnel decisions, not personal decisions. As in, staffing.

Business leaders move on from employees they don't want to move on from all the time.

I dont believe Jerry gave up on Garrett, I believe Jerry realized his fan base and maybe even his team or front office might revolt on some level if JG was given yet another year.

It's pretty common to cut an employee lose for the good of the business even if you personally believe that employee to be a good fit. I'm not saying anything revolutionary or rare or complicated here but if you want to keep fighting me on it then we can agree to disagree.

I dont know any of this for sure, and I can admit that. It's just my theory.

 

[Diehardblues]

I said business leaders make personnel decisions, not personal decisions. As in, staffing.

Business leaders move on from employees they don't want to move on from all the time.

I dont believe Jerry gave up on Garrett, I believe Jerry realized his fan base and maybe even his team or front office might revolt on some level if JG was given yet another year.

It's pretty common to cut an employee lose for the good of the business even if you personally believe that employee to be a good fit. I'm not saying anything revolutionary or rare or complicated here but if you want to keep fighting me on it then we can agree to disagree.

I dont know any of this for sure, and I can admit that. It's just my theory.

Yep

Jerry attempted to find a way to squirm around not letting Garrett go but the public pressure was too much. He had no choice. And he obviously knew it and didn’t like it.

 

[mrmojo]

Jerry was lazy and hurt that he had to let his boy toy go that he hired the first old shiny toy he saw......and someone that was going to be able to control with a skin on the wall......we will see next year if this year was an illusion...I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Bullflop]

Expecting the Cowboys FO to make a wise choice for a head coach is anything but a good idea, from the start.

Unfortunately, that would be something that an experienced and capable GM should rightfully be expected to handle!

 

[plymkr]

McCarthy’s go to is how he does his footwork with QBs and worked with Gannon in KC, Favre, Rodgers, Montana, Bulger, etc. The TV special talked about his drill that Montana did.

It’s easy to see that the Jones would get caught up in that aspect and think he can turn Dak into Aaron Rodgers which they think fixes all their other problems.

You know you may be on to something here. I think we have to see what McCarthy can do with Dak and see how Dak develops. I think you're right that the Jones mafia might be more interested in Dak developing into an Aaron Rodgers more so than wins and losses at this point. If MM can develop him than the Jones may be thinking the wins will come if Dak is a league MVP type QB because of MM. So we may be stuck with MM until the Jones mafia feel he is not developing Dak.

So this is a double edged sword here. Dak can put up phenomenal numbers and the team could be 4-12 and the Jones could be happy with MM's performance as a coach due to Dak's play.

 

[DuncanIso]

You know you may be on to something here. I think we have to see what McCarthy can do with Dak and see how Dak develops. I think you're right that the Jones mafia might be more interested in Dak developing into an Aaron Rodgers more so than wins and losses at this point. If MM can develop him than the Jones may be thinking the wins will come if Dak is a league MVP type QB because of MM. So we may be stuck with MM until the Jones mafia feel he is not developing Dak.

So this is a double edged sword here. Dak can put up phenomenal numbers and the team could be 4-12 and the Jones could be happy with MM's performance as a coach due to Dak's play.

Dak is in his 5th season.

he’s developed.

the coaching has been a train wreck.

it didn’t work .

fire big Mike and his buddies.

 

[Colombiacowboy]

I find this whole conversation funny. Are we kidding ourselves? Does the Head Coach, or any other coach of the Dallas Cowboys really matter? As long as The Jones Circus is running this team there will be no championships. The team culture is...mold. In any organization, when you have management that is misplaced, inexperienced, incompetent or any mixture of the three, that is a recipe for disaster. Jerry is probably a good owner based on what the Cowboys are worth, but he has dismantled any sense of organization when it comes to personnel management. And this goes way beyond just the players. The shenanigans in the training and recovery department is just one small example. Think back a few years ago when it seemed like every player had hamstring injuries EVERY YEAR. That is what happens when sports science is ignored because of ignorance in management. This is real stuff that is documented.

 

[jterrell]

Tyron Smith hasn't been healthy for a full season since 2015. So, maybe don't assume this will be the magic year tyron regains his health for a full season and fill out that back-up spot with JAGS? No crystal ball required on that one. But I get it. The goal here is recreate Matt Millen's Detroit Lions.

Tyron Smith made the Pro Bowl 4 years in a row and never missed more than 3 games before this season.
Cam Erving was a legit swing OT plan for 3-5 games. Heck maybe even 8 to 10.
Dallas was starting their 4th and 5th OT. Show me an NFL team who's depth chart handles that?

DAL has 3 guys that can make a Pro Bowl at OT: Tyron, La'el and Martin.
Trying to argue they should have planned to lose all 3 is somewhere between disingenuous and goofy.

 

[gjkoeppen]

I said business leaders make personnel decisions, not personal decisions. As in, staffing.

Business leaders move on from employees they don't want to move on from all the time.

I dont believe Jerry gave up on Garrett, I believe Jerry realized his fan base and maybe even his team or front office might revolt on some level if JG was given yet another year.

It's pretty common to cut an employee lose for the good of the business even if you personally believe that employee to be a good fit. I'm not saying anything revolutionary or rare or complicated here but if you want to keep fighting me on it then we can agree to disagree.

I dont know any of this for sure, and I can admit that. It's just my theory.

Your right you did say personnel. I was talking on the phone when I read that and I should have read more closely. My bad.
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[quickccc]

You may be right about that. But what I don’t understand is why they didn’t look seriously at anyone else. Other than the Rooney Rule interview they had by phone with Marvin Lewis, they did no other interviews besides McCarthy. I’m just curious why. Most organizations usually interview more candidates. Obviously this isn’t like most organizations.

I wonder if the media/public got a hold of any other HC candidates they could've had in mind.
But I really do believe that they were determined to get an established, battle tested, past successful, vet NFL head coach so that they could already " hit the ground running " and it was extremely
slim pickings with NFL ready vet HC's.
and per two interviews they were sold on what he had to offer and hired him immediately.

Plus look at McCarthy's resume, he's won a SB, he has experience working with QBs, he's offensive minded. That plays into the Dak path and development.
And it worked even more so when MM maintained coaches that were very instrumental in his development and advancement. (ala Kellen Moore and Doug Nussemeir)

The Top elements we really needed from McCarthy were:
1) Leadership/preparation
2) In-game manager and decision maker
3) Add/Aid helping Moore in much needed areas (ala RBs)
4) Bring in very capable DC and positional coaches

 

[OmerV]

It’s not talked about enough, but I really think the reason he was hired has nothing to do with his barn workshop or 30 min TV special about analytics.

It was 100% about he has developed Montana, Rodgers and others. The Jones’ wanted someone that would take care of their Dak investment. Basically they hired the most expensive QB coach there is.

Playcalling and team management were secondary on the list of reasons. So when Dak goes down, what’s McCarthys purpose? Develop Nooch?

It went stale in GB because Rodgers was developed to the point he no longer needed McCarthy. McCarthy is not a great HC. He’s a great specialist who needs other good specialists around him like Dom Capers to win big games.

Montana? McCarthy was the Offensive Quality Control Coach in KC during Montana's last 2 years in the NFL. Montana was already fully developed, and McCarthy wasn't even his QB coach. He didn't become the QB coach in KC until the year after Montana retired.

As for the "others", he had Aaron Brooks in NO, Elvis Grbac, Steve Bono and Rich Gannon in KC, and Alex Smith in SF. Really Rogers is the only big success story he helped develop, and that relationship was actually pretty sour. Rogers is not a McCarthy fan.

Ultimately, I think it had a lot more to do with the fact that McCarthy has won a Super Bowl.

 

[Asklesko]

I call fake news. Why not also hire a qb whisperer at offensive coordinator. Why have the guy be dak's peer not two years ago. It doesnt make sense.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Imagine you have a crappy defense but the best offense in the league and you hire someone to help your QB as opposed to a more defensive minded coach.....it just makes no sense.......

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I call fake news. Why not also hire a qb whisperer at offensive coordinator. Why have the guy be dak's peer not two years ago. It doesnt make sense.

Right. Hell why not hire a defensive whisperer lol.

 

[jrumann59]

I am sure Joe Montana is a nice guy but I doubt he would take QB coaching from some pimple faced kid who was trying to get his first piece of trim, when Montana was drafted.

 

[xwalker]

It’s not talked about enough, but I really think the reason he was hired has nothing to do with his barn workshop or 30 min TV special about analytics.

It was 100% about he has developed Montana, Rodgers and others. The Jones’ wanted someone that would take care of their Dak investment. Basically they hired the most expensive QB coach there is.

Playcalling and team management were secondary on the list of reasons. So when Dak goes down, what’s McCarthys purpose? Develop Nooch?

It went stale in GB because Rodgers was developed to the point he no longer needed McCarthy. McCarthy is not a great HC. He’s a great specialist who needs other good specialists around him like Dom Capers to win big games.

Stephen Jones wanted to get Garrett out and replace him with a real NFL Head Coach that had no ties to Jerry.

SJ had to find somebody that would not wilt around Jerry but that also that wouldn't get too much media coverage and take camera time away from Jerry.

SJ knew that Garrett's close ties to Jerry made it an impossible situation to manage.

Now SJ is the only path between all football people and Jerry in the reporting structure.

SJ controls the information flow going to Jerry from within the organization.

Agents go through SJ and GMs go to him and his right hand man McClay for trade discussions.

If Jerry loves a player and Stephen Jones wants to dump the player, he just tells Jerry they have to do it because of the cap...see Dez Bryant.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

MM obviously gets credit for AR from everyone but AR. It's a weird one but AR is so ridiculously naturally talented while also being the largest jerk at QB in the league which is why he fell by the way.

I don't know if MM should get credit or not, but someone coached Rodgers out of that ridiculously forced way that all the Cal Tedford (IIRC) QBs held the ball rigidly up to their ear on their dropbacks.