The season is over these trades are too late

[TheMarathonContinues]

Williams gives us a start to the offseason on defense

Yep and they need it. Especially if they can get Revel and Overshown going now.

 

[rambo2]

These trades were nothing more than panic moves by Jerry.

The trades are awesome. Especially getting Williams. He could have an outstanding career in Dallas.

 

[Beast_from_East]

We have 3 wins after 9 games. Mathematically a 7% chance of making the playoffs. It’s over . There is no season to save. You lost any last gasp hopes last night.

Throw in a brutal schedule after LV with Phil, KC , Det, Minn and LAC in consecutive weeks. That’s probably 4-10-1. With possibly a couple crap meaningless games end of year against Wash and NYG nobody will care about. 6-10-1 MAYBE…

This team is washed up. Even this offense we can’t count on but if AZ can stop it these playoff contenders coming will . And run roughshod over this defense + Williams.

These trades were needed weeks ago and or before the season. The AZ loss makes these a waste of time this year. Total waste of assets to prop up the season.

So we basically only have one1st round pick plus Williams less a 2nd rounder for Micah. Bravo Jethro. Just when we thought it couldn’t get worse.You crapped the bed again. Pitiful!!!

The QW trade was for the future, not just this season.

I think your dislike for Jerry is clouding your objectivity. I can see Jerry's plan pretty clearly now and its not actually that bad of a plan if I am being honest.

And you know I am not a resident homer here, I have been one of the most vocal critics of Jerry and the Cowboys for a long while, but the plan they are following is not actually that bad. It crystal clear now that the plan is to build the defense to average level while the offense is still one of the best in the league and should remain a top end unit for the next couple of years. You have a vet QB that has played fairly well this season, a good RB finally, a young offensive line you pumped 3 first round picks in, and a good set of WRs assuming they can extend Pickens or tag him.

You just need your defense to be average and you should win the majority of your games. So, how do you turn the worst defense into an average 18-20 range defense? Well, you add not one, but two probowl DTs, one that is arguably top 3 in the league. You stock pile multiple 1st round picks (Cowboys still have 3 of the 4 after the Parson's trade) and you have the cap space to add some free agents or extend current players (Cowboys have about $40 million in cap space, I think that is the 2nd most cap space in the NFL).

This is what Jerry meant when he said trading Parsons was the best way to help Dak get to a SB (or at least a conference championship game). Keep the offense intact to remain one of the best in the league, which statistically they still are despite their record. Then use the draft capital and cap space gained from the Parson's trade to just get the defense to average level, that is really all that is needed if your offense is top 5 in yards and points.

So, you see you have to look at the big picture of what they are doing and it goes far beyond just this season. These are moves to set the team up to compete for the next several years, this year is irrelevant....................that is the plan, and like I said, its not that bad of a plan by Jerry.

 

[diamonddelts]

"We'll gig 'em next year".

 

[Hawkeye0202]

They may be, but they are something to build on next year. You need building blocks and Quinnen Williams is a building block. If we retain Pickens, which we should, our goal should be building around what we have in the interior D now. We need another pass rusher, probably another LB, a safety and possibly a corner (depending on what we do with Diggs and how Revel turns out).

+1 ....it surprises me a bit that OP understands this
BOTH trades ARE not about saving the season. They are adding a couple of major pieces for a 2-3 year run/window. Not to mention, having Williams' former position coach on staff helps minimize the risk. You know the kind of player you are getting.......

 

[Hawkeye0202]

The QW trade was for the future, not just this season.

I think your dislike for Jerry is clouding your objectivity. I can see Jerry's plan pretty clearly now and its not actually that bad of a plan if I am being honest.

And you know I am not a resident homer here, I have been one of the most vocal critics of Jerry and the Cowboys for a long while, but the plan they are following is not actually that bad. It crystal clear now that the plan is to build the defense to average level while the offense is still one of the best in the league and should remain a top end unit for the next couple of years. You have a vet QB that has played fairly well this season, a good RB finally, a young offensive line you pumped 3 first round picks in, and a good set of WRs assuming they can extend Pickens or tag him.

You just need your defense to be average and you should win the majority of your games. So, how do you turn the worst defense into an average 18-20 range defense? Well, you add not one, but two probowl DTs, one that is arguably top 3 in the league. You stock pile multiple 1st round picks (Cowboys still have 3 of the 4 after the Parson's trade) and you have the cap space to add some free agents or extend current players (Cowboys have about $40 million in cap space, I think that is the 2nd most cap space in the NFL).

This is what Jerry meant when he said trading Parsons was the best way to help Dak get to a SB (or at least a conference championship game). Keep the offense intact to remain one of the best in the league, which statistically they still are despite their record. Then use the draft capital and cap space gained from the Parson's trade to just get the defense to average level, that is really all that is needed if your offense is top 5 in yards and points.

So, you see you have to look at the big picture of what they are doing and it goes far beyond just this season. These are moves to set the team up to compete for the next several years, this year is irrelevant....................that is the plan, and like I said, its not that bad of a plan by Jerry.

Good post, Beast!

 

[plymkr]

The trades are good for next season.

The Cowboys can't draft DTs.
- Good at drafting OL and some other positions, but suck at drafting DT.

The LB appears to be a perfect fit and only required a 7th. I would have given more than that if it gets Kenneth Murray off the field...

You know that is an excellent point. After the 90’s we have only drafted one good DT and that was Ratliff. You could maybe throw in David Irving but he was a knucklehead that didn’t want to play football. But the names that come to mind are: Taco, Trysten Hill, Mazi. Those were premium picks. This was a safe move if we wanted to lock up a sure fire stud at DT.

You’re dead on accurate. We suck at drafting DTs. We’re great at getting CBs, WRs, offensive linemen, acquiring QBs (that’s an important one). But DTs just never panned out for us. At least now we can move forward with a stud DT in our pocket.

 

[plymkr]

+1 ....it surprises me a bit that OP understands this
BOTH trades ARE not about saving the season. They are adding a couple of major pieces for a 2-3 year run/window. Not to mention, having Williams' former position coach on staff helps minimize the risk. You know the kind of player you are getting.......

Yeah this season is a wrap, now let’s develop for the next 2 seasons. Hopefully Dak can stay healthy and maintain his level of play for 2 more years. I know Dak had a bad 2 game stretch here but before Denver he was balling out. I’m cool with the rest of this season going to player development and finding a good offensive and defensive complementary balance.

 

[stinkface]

our O line is clearly under performing based on their draft positions. That is a big issue when we play teams with excellent D lines. We need better effort and better coaching. Our O line dies not plat with maximum effort. It shows up on tape.

 

[plymkr]

It comes down to how long they play at a high level and for the Cowboys. Since it's about the future, Wilson will be 30 yrs old when the '26 season starts, while Q. Williams will turn 29 during the season next year. These guys will have to play at a high level for Dallas into their mid 30's if this is successful. We shall see.

I don’t get why everyone is bringing up Q’s age as if it’s a bad thing. When we traded Micah everyone in the media and on this board talked about how he was just 26 years old and in the prime of his career. Quinnen is 27 years old and that’s an issue. I’m not a mathematician but that’s only a 1 year difference. So if Quinnen has to stay productive for the next couple seasons for this to be a good trade and he’s 27 then the same should be said for Micah in Green Bay who is 26.

 

[Swagger]

I don’t get why everyone is bringing up Q’s age as if it’s a bad thing. When we traded Micah everyone in the media and on this board talked about how he was just 26 years old and in the prime of his career. Quinnen is 27 years old and that’s an issue. I’m not a mathematician but that’s only a 1 year difference. So if Quinnen has to stay productive for the next couple seasons for this to be a good trade and he’s 27 then the same should be said for Micah in Green Bay who is 26.

Parsons is 18 months younger and he has played 2 seasons less in the NFL.
Defensive tackles typically age well so I'm told - hopefully Williams will not regress too quickly.
I suspect the move was made for the wrong reasons - to appease fans for trading away Parsons which was arguably due to bruised egos.
Had Parsons been kept the team would likely be around 6-3 if you look at the close losses and if Williams was brought in at that point then I think pretty much everyone would be on board with this trade as it's a win now move.
As it is, this season is over so it's a bit of an odd trade to me.

 

[plymkr]

Parsons is 18 months younger and he has played 2 seasons less in the NFL.
Defensive tackles typically age well so I'm told - hopefully Williams will not regress too quickly.
I suspect the move was made for the wrong reasons - to appease fans for trading away Parsons which was arguably due to bruised egos.
Had Parsons been kept the team would likely be around 6-3 if you look at the close losses and if Williams was brought in at that point then I think pretty much everyone would be on board with this trade as it's a win now move.
As it is, this season is over so it's a bit of an odd trade to me.

Parsons was definitely traded due to bruised egos. But independent of that a stud DT that can rush the passer and stop the run is pretty valuable. I would have liked to have seen Q on this team from the jump, I bet we would be 6-3.

When I think about this I go back to the ‘95 season when we won the Super Bowl. Haley missed every playoff game besides the Super Bowl. Tolbert was declining due to bad cartilage in his knees. So we had a banged up Tolbert and the bust Shante Carver at DE. At DT we had Maryland, Leon Lett and Chad Hennings. Lett dominated in the playoffs and we won the Super Bowl. Lett’s dominance made up for Carver and Tolbert being subpar.

 

[Blackrain]

Well I could be dead wrong but the whole thing just feels a day late and a dollar short.

If the guys that were paying big money now stepped up and we won the eagles game and the Panthers game like we very much should have I would consider these really good trades.

But at this point I have to think why wasn't this attended to earlier in the season.
We really needed to stack some wins against the teams we should have beaten for this to work out this year.

But the more you watch the NFL and think you know exactly what's going to happen the more you get humbled so I'll sit back and let it play out because other than the remote control on my television set I have no control so it does no good to lament.

Hope for the best expect the worst would really like it if these guys were a couple years younger but it is what it is
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Jerry trying to grasp maximum entertainment value at the last possible moment.

 

[Aven8]

Getting QW would have never happened in FA. And using a first on a player that is already good and has a manageable contract is amazing. The draft is a crap shoot. Next year we might go 12-5 and that draft picks is in the late 20’s for all we know.

 

[charron]

I view these trades for help next year

 

[khiladi]

We have a destiny with mediocrity

So poetic

 

[ghst187]

Watch Jerry turn around and cut some of players he traded for in the offseason…..he’s such an idiot without a plan

 

[Longboysfan]

They may be, but they are something to build on next year. You need building blocks and Quinnen Williams is a building block. If we retain Pickens, which we should, our goal should be building around what we have in the interior D now. We need another pass rusher, probably another LB, a safety and possibly a corner (depending on what we do with Diggs and how Revel turns out).

I would have liked to trade Pickens for a Number 1 or a 2 and 3.
Fowler is showing up a lot.

 

[Diehardblues]

The QW trade was for the future, not just this season.

I think your dislike for Jerry is clouding your objectivity. I can see Jerry's plan pretty clearly now and its not actually that bad of a plan if I am being honest.

And you know I am not a resident homer here, I have been one of the most vocal critics of Jerry and the Cowboys for a long while, but the plan they are following is not actually that bad. It crystal clear now that the plan is to build the defense to average level while the offense is still one of the best in the league and should remain a top end unit for the next couple of years. You have a vet QB that has played fairly well this season, a good RB finally, a young offensive line you pumped 3 first round picks in, and a good set of WRs assuming they can extend Pickens or tag him.

You just need your defense to be average and you should win the majority of your games. So, how do you turn the worst defense into an average 18-20 range defense? Well, you add not one, but two probowl DTs, one that is arguably top 3 in the league. You stock pile multiple 1st round picks (Cowboys still have 3 of the 4 after the Parson's trade) and you have the cap space to add some free agents or extend current players (Cowboys have about $40 million in cap space, I think that is the 2nd most cap space in the NFL).

This is what Jerry meant when he said trading Parsons was the best way to help Dak get to a SB (or at least a conference championship game). Keep the offense intact to remain one of the best in the league, which statistically they still are despite their record. Then use the draft capital and cap space gained from the Parson's trade to just get the defense to average level, that is really all that is needed if your offense is top 5 in yards and points.

So, you see you have to look at the big picture of what they are doing and it goes far beyond just this season. These are moves to set the team up to compete for the next several years, this year is irrelevant....................that is the plan, and like I said, its not that bad of a plan by Jerry.

While this trade should bolster the defense moving forward I’d argue this move was to prop up this season from being a total disaster which it appears to be.

Jethro still believes he can salvage this season. And if I thought this season was salvageable I might have been on board.

 

[big dog cowboy]

We have 3 wins after 9 games. Mathematically a 7% chance of making the playoffs. It’s over . There is no season to save.

You right, the season is lost. These trades didn't have anything to do with trying to save the season.

This was about 2026. There isn't anything Jerry could do to save this season.