The Thirst for Brian Waters

[DeaconMoss]

He was 6'3 280 lbs when he came to the league. That is one huge FB. What were they thinking?

He had to beat out Moose Johnson at FB......That I see as a problem for sure.

But as a TE he had to beat out the incredible David Lafleur and the mighty Eric Bjornson. He must have been a really poor Tight End not to hang with those clowns.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

My opinion is the closer we get to the 3rd preseason game the less interesting he becomes.

The team has a rookie center in place and to throw Waters into the mix without having worked (a lot) with Frederick... And Free to a lesser extent, doesn't sound like a good idea.

By most accounts Bern has done fine as the RG, both in practice and in the exhibition game vs the Dolphins.

Finally retaining as much extra cap space as possible to roll into 2014 isn't a bad idea.

This.

Waters would definitely come in offering quality backup ability if he signs in the next week but he will not be a starter. The continuity needs to be established now and, as long as Bern shows no ill effects from his surgery, that is what they are working for in camp.

As long as Killa and Living are coming along well, Waters becomes less interesting. As for his salary, they will sign him to whatever he wants and they are willing to pay.

 

[boysfanindc]

This.

Waters would definitely come in offering quality backup ability if he signs in the next week but he will not be a starter. The continuity needs to be established now and, as long as Bern shows no ill effects from his surgery, that is what they are working for in camp.

As long as Killa and Living are coming along well, Waters becomes less interesting. As for his salary, they will sign him to whatever he wants and they are willing to pay.

I just don't see him coming in here as back up depth, he is coming here to start, sure that is part of the discussion and based on the amount of dollars they will pay him, I can't see the boys or Waters thinking any other way.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I just don't see him coming in here as back up depth, he is coming here to start, sure that is part of the discussion and based on the amount of dollars they will pay him, I can't see the boys or Waters thinking any other way.

Unless Waters is a plug-and-play type player, I don't see how he can come in day-one and start. If he was already in camp or on another team it would be possible but the guy has been out of the league for too long to be able to come in and have instant continuity with the guys next to him.

 

[boysfanindc]

Unless Waters is a plug and play type player, I don't see how he can come in day-one and start. If he was already in camp or on another team it would be possible but the guy has been out of the league for too long to be able to come in and have instant continuity with the guys next to him.

This guy is a Pro Bowl veteran, I can't imagine he would need more then a couple of weeks to get ready to start. The real questions is does he still have IT, by all reports his conditioning is good, but my main worry would be injury, a groin or hammy getting tweaked early. He might be in condition, but has not hit anyone in awhile.

He has come in late before and played well, a 36 year old guard is not the same as a 36 year old WR.

I guess we will see.

 

[Idgit]

I really don't like these players that come with so many strings attached. He's old, he's finicky about where he's willing to play, and he's going to be expensive. That said, we're down a veteran at OG, we've had another string of injuries at that position in camp for the second year running and, even though I think the concern for Bernadeau is massively overblown, Waters almost certainly is an upgrade at a starting position who gives us depth at an otherwise thin spot. With Arkin unable to step up to the role of 'adequate backup,' I think this is one where I hold my nose and bring the old vet in and give him what he wants. Assuming they're able to verify that he can still play.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I'd much rather cut Arkin if we sign Waters. Livings is a legitimate backup and a serviceable (at best) starter. Same with Bern. Same with Costa. Parnell can step in and play decent at either tackle position. Waters would give us a hole-free starting OL. Keeping Livings over Arkin would give us a hole-free backup OL.

Smith-Leary-Fred-Waters-Free

Reserves: Costa, Livings, Bern, Parnell

 

[big dog cowboy]

I really don't like these players that come with so many strings attached. He's old, he's finicky about where he's willing to play, and he's going to be expensive.

Welcome to the world of terrible drafting.

 

[ragman]

The Cowboys get back in town from Oxnard on the 17th. I look for something to happen sometime after that.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

But I think the team and the player can agree to some sort of guaranteed amount, i.e. signing bonus that isn't affected by what you posted above.

However I think it's a moot point in that if Waters isn't here to start the season, he won't be signed after week 1.

I get what you're saying, but it's doubt full since that is something that is collectively bargained for. Almost like saying he can negotiate a contract less than the vet minimum.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Welcome to the world of terrible drafting.

4/5 of our current starters were drafted (or signed as UFA) by the Cowboys, so enough of this. This argument no longer holds water.

 

[Idgit]

Broaddus said on the last Talking Cowboys that the scouts he talked to were 'very interested' in bringing in Waters when he was available before he signed in NE, and that the 'old regime' (that has to mean the coaching staff) was not interested. Given that JG has been the HC that whole time, I take that to mean the Hudson Houck was not very interested in Waters at the time. I say that because 'old' regime implies 'former' regime, and Houck is the only guy that's really changed during that time.
That may be a reach, or Broaddus might not be sharing the whole story, or he might have it wrong. But I wanted to bring in Waters at the time as a stop-gap until they could get a young starter in place. Now, he's two years further down the road and playing hard to get. I'd rather not bring him in, but with Parnell not on the field, we're in a situation where the line is definitely playing improved football, but we're paper-thin at both OG and OT. I'd really rather not be in that situation heading into the season if the other areas of the offense all look sound and deep.

 

[speedkilz88]

Parnell and Bell are participating in practice now, I think they are holding them out of certain team drills. Trying to ease them back in.

 

[tupperware]

4/5 of our current starters were drafted (or signed as UFA) by the Cowboys, so enough of this. This argument no longer holds water.

Yet you can't justify how bad the OL has been for this team the past several years, so who cares where the players are from.

 

[Cowboy_Mo88]

My opinion is the closer we get to the 3rd preseason game the less interesting he becomes.

The team has a rookie center in place and to throw Waters into the mix without having worked (a lot) with Frederick... And Free to a lesser extent, doesn't sound like a good idea.

By most accounts Bern has done fine as the RG, both in practice and in the exhibition game vs the Dolphins.

Finally retaining as much extra cap space as possible to roll into 2014 isn't a bad idea.

He's going to get his money up front and I doubt it will be more than year.

 

[texbumthelife]

My opinion is the closer we get to the 3rd preseason game the less interesting he becomes.

The team has a rookie center in place and to throw Waters into the mix without having worked (a lot) with Frederick... And Free to a lesser extent, doesn't sound like a good idea.

By most accounts Bern has done fine as the RG, both in practice and in the exhibition game vs the Dolphins.

Finally retaining as much extra cap space as possible to roll into 2014 isn't a bad idea.

He doesn't have to be a starter. No reason he can't come in as depth if Bern can man the position.

 

[big dog cowboy]

4/5 of our current starters were drafted (or signed as UFA) by the Cowboys, so enough of this. This argument no longer holds water.

That doesn't mean they are All Pro's. Draft OL and drafting good OL are 2 different things.

 

[Denim Chicken]

I just got this thread title, LOL.

 

[burmafrd]

4/5 of our current starters were drafted (or signed as UFA) by the Cowboys, so enough of this. This argument no longer holds water.

Sigh. One reason our depth still stinks up the place is because of that lousy drafting. And this O line you are so proud of has shown nothing yet against a top DL or in regular season.