The Ticket question of the day

[burmafrd]

there is no doubt that JG's inexperience cost us. The question is can he get us a championship. If not then the whole gamble was not worth the waste of the last years of the careers of two great Cowboys in Romo and Witten,

 

[CATCH17]

I totally support the argument of parity in this era of the NFL. However, I disagree about the ultimate success of any of those 8-8 teams in the playoffs. A team must work in concert to overcome the abilities of their opponent. Those 8-8 teams exhibited mental mistakes too often by individual players (e.g. offense, defense and special teams), and to a lesser extent sometimes from the coaching staff as well. In my opinion, super bowl teams do not beat themselves while trying to beat their opponents. Those 8-8 teams were their own worst enemy.

Ok we'll just have to disagree because it's easy to say these things in hindsight but these things being said about 8-8 teams could be said for a lot of these 9-7 teams that squeak in the playoffs.

 

[CowboyGil]

I for one think he is still growing into the job. He picked some good coaches to go to for advice (Jimmy & Nick Saban). I don't think this is his make or break year, but it's close. However, I also agree that he's the HC for now, so get used to it.

 

[MRV52]

What do they call 20 Eagles fans in a basement wine cellar? Vinegar.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

When JG took over, it was mid season of a very bad, bad season......It was painful watching that team play football.......

But I noticed a change for the better , right away, within the first couple games.

So, I thought JG earned his way from "temp" to full time HC and was upbeat about the future.

But the JG teams never really had an identity and lacked a certain "toughness". Romo to Austin; what else did we have?

I gave up on the entire team, JG, and the organization...... I had finally just ...had it. I was mentally drained from 20 years of pretty much . nothing. Year after year after year......whatever they were doing wasnt working. And it needed to be flushed away.

I wanted JG gone. I wanted JJ gone. I wanted a traditional organizational chart established with a proven HC in the NFL hired, and a GM whose sole responsibility was to be a GM. Nothing else.

I questioned why Romo and Witten were even hanging around? I wanted a total reset of the entire organization. And I expected that to happen, after going 6-10.......

But it didn't happen. The opposite happened. It was a great, great , much needed, year. And I don't think it was a fluke. We still need to prove we can win something. But my gut feeling is, this team will be pushing into playoffs for some time to come with JG at HC. I think with some luck, he could go down as one of the greats after its all said and done; I know, I know....seems odd to imagine that right now....But JG isn't going anywhere after we win that first SB...He is a Cowboy for life. ....

The big question for me is how long will Romo be playing at a high level? Its going to be fun watching how this team responds to the success of last year....

 

[Redball Express]

I see a lot of your points but while I do..

as my aka says..

I'm a Garrett guy and have been since he was with the Dolphins back when I lived in South Florida for a time .

He was well liked there and I saw his maturing as a coach there and their offense was productive under him.

There was a good vibe from him no matter the issues.

He's tough to rattle.

And he is obviously a good communicator.

And despite his 8-8 seasons..his teams have pretty much played 60 minutes of football for him.

While he's not perfect..he has improved becuz Jerry Jones has greatly improved.

I don't think you can praise him without also praising Jones.

And I don't think you can diss him without also dissing Jones.

They have both evolved into a team if you will.

Gone suddenly is the issue of leadership or lack thereof that was a big issue in the 8-8 years.

This is because there is a solid leadership presence that Garrett has nurtured.

And it has definitely tricked down to the coaches and players.

No way guys like Linehan and Marinelli would be here contributing to the leadership structure without them liking Garrett and Jones.

They both could be anywhere else.

But they are applying and subserving Garrett AND Jones and not chaffing like Parcells and Phillips did.

You can't minimize that.

So while I see your points..I think you are not taking a wide enough reflection.

Not to say this year may not prove as successful as last..

But I see a real different focus on Garrett and I've been forced big time to accept Jerrah's evolution, too.

I see it as all good and all together.

It's been surprising

 

[CCBoy]

None of those 8-8 teams would have made any noise in the playoffs.

Last years team could have won it all, ditto for this year.

And to the credit of t his team, they were predicted to have a six win season.

 

[jrumann59]

JG has his warts. He has had gaffes, which I am willing to expect from a guy that has zero head coaching experience before now. He hardly made the same mistake twice, yes he was not cutout to be HC/OC combo guy and personally i do not think those guys are largely successful anyways. I just love how people harp on his gaffes and mistakes but Pete Carroll who has immensely more experience as a HC in the NFL and college ranks let that play in the SB be called. I know winning a SB buys you a lot leeway with the fans. The point being every coach makes a mistake or gaffe but the ability to learn from it and improve is the key. I think JG is an anal retentive perfectionist and I think now he is more capable of putting his vision for the team in action.

 

[AdamJT13]

Our record against winning teams those years was like 1-15 or something.

No, it wasn't. We beat winning teams teams -- and teams with double-digit wins -- every season.

(Besides, records "against winning/losing teams" are always skewed -- some teams would have had winning seasons if we hadn't beaten them, and other teams would not have had winning seasons if they hadn't beaten us.)

 

[waving monkey]

A lot of people are saying that they are eating crow on Jason Garrett.

I won't be one of them. I was against Garrett and for good reason. I think he was entirely inexperienced to be offensive coordinator, and was ridiculously inexperienced to be a head coach. The growing pains we had with him as head coach cost a great deal of Tony Romo and Jason Witten's careers. And he certainly played a part in us losing a lot of games, and thus missing the playoffs for multiple years. I also don't think he has the capacity to be a coordinator and a coach. I don't think it is any surprise that with two experienced coordinators, Garrett has his best year ever as a head coach.

Does Garrett need to go? No. Is he a good motivator and understand created a philosophy and team culture? Yes. Is he a great offensive or defensive mind? No.

He's a functional coach, who will hopefully get better with experience and ingredients.

So in short, I'm not eating a single bit of crow on this.

I love people holding a grudge

 

[Galian Beast]

I love people holding a grudge

I don't have a grudge at all. Not sure how you took that from what I said.

I have no issue with him being the coach today, but I do think he robbed Romo of championship caliber years. I think that is disappointing, and I hope that is resolved as we go forward.

 

[waving monkey]

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to eat crow when it comes to Garrett. And while a lotta idiots blasted him with meritless criticisms, there were PLENTY of valid criticisms. The future is all that matters so lets see what he does this year.

Those who couldn't see the head coach qualities in Garrett just lack

I don't have a grudge at all. Not sure how you took that from what I said.

I have no issue with him being the coach today, but I do think he robbed Romo of championship caliber years. I think that is disappointing, and I hope that is resolved as we go forward.

You could say that about every coach during Romo's tour.
But I think the blame is more accurate to blame Jones and his drafting and trades.
There was a price we paid to grow Red into the coach he is and will become.
Thank god Jones has the gonads to do it.

Yes there is a reason to eat crow by the Red haters you have no ability to see
the traits and qualities of a man who will become better and better yet you
ate him alive while it was obvious to many on this board that he was going to
be a great coach for the Dallas Cowboys.
If you dont posses metal to admit it thats on you.

 

[jrumann59]

None of those 8-8 teams would have made any noise in the playoffs.

Last years team could have won it all, ditto for this year.

There is not a lot that separates a bad team record wise. I will use last year as an example. Dallas last year was 12-4 and washing was 4-12, since we were in the same division it helps since the whole "strength of schedule" arguement is moot. The only difference in schedules is they played TB and MIN, Dallas played NO and Chi. Dallas opponents combined W/L 94-114, Washington opponents combined W/L 91-117

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

there is no doubt that JG's inexperience cost us. The question is can he get us a championship. If not then the whole gamble was not worth the waste of the last years of the careers of two great Cowboys in Romo and Witten,

The loss of Callahan could effect the outcome in many ways.

 

[Idgit]

Those who couldn't see the head coach qualities in Garrett just lack


You could say that about every coach during Romo's tour.
But I think the blame is more accurate to blame Jones and his drafting and trades.
There was a price we paid to grow Red into the coach he is and will become.
Thank god Jones has the gonads to do it.

Yes there is a reason to eat crow by the Red haters you have no ability to see
the traits and qualities of a man who will become better and better yet you
ate him alive while it was obvious to many on this board that he was going to
be a great coach for the Dallas Cowboys.
If you dont posses metal to admit it thats on you.

This was not close to a championship caliber team in 2011, 2012, or 2013.

 

[Redball Express]

Those who couldn't see the head coach qualities in Garrett just lack


You could say that about every coach during Romo's tour.
But I think the blame is more accurate to blame Jones and his drafting and trades.
There was a price we paid to grow Red into the coach he is and will become.
Thank god Jones has the gonads to do it.

Yes there is a reason to eat crow by the Red haters you have no ability to see
the traits and qualities of a man who will become better and better yet you
ate him alive while it was obvious to many on this board that he was going to
be a great coach for the Dallas Cowboys.
If you dont posses metal to admit it thats on you.

Listen..

Back in '65 at the age of 12 when I first followed the team..

Landry was being sharply criticized for the teams lack of success and he was on the hot seat.

Landry was a good defensive coach but offensively..it stunk.

In '66 he went to his multiple sets and men in motion and the famous Landry Hitch where the OL stood up and went to there set position.

It took awhile for Landry to implement his systems and find the key players to fit..

Bob Hayes, Danny Reeves, Frank Clarke, Don Perkins, Bob Lilly..Cornell Green, Mel Renfro, etc.

But all of a sudden the flex defense was king..

the offense was setting records..

Landry was immotalized.

The Franchise came together.

I see similar things now with Garrett.

I'm pleased.

Championship?

Who knows but at least I can enjoy it all again.

For awhile..before '14,..

not so much.

Thanx Jason.

You done good.

 

[DFWJC]

You can't say that.

We've seen the 9-7, barely make the playoffs team, win the superbowl several times.

Those 9-7 teams were way better than that garbage we had out there in those 8-8 years.
imo

 

[Redball Express]

The loss of Callahan could effect the outcome in many ways.

While not much of a topic around here..

I too wonder how that is going to effect the running game.

Everybody wants to focus on Murray being gone..

but that combined with a VERY good OL coach also being gone..

leaves thing very changed.

More so than we maybe able to know yet.

I ponder it for sure and assume nothing.

Chemistry has been broken.

Can we recover in time to succeed again.?

Don't know.

 

[jrumann59]

Pollack is not some unknown coach. He is very familiar with the ZBS and worked with Callahan for 2 years here and he worked under Kubiak in Houston.

 

[Idgit]

Where did I say Red didn't make mistakes? I gave him time to grow into his position. Many
here could see his abilities and some couldn't. I dont know that that being a bad judge of talent and
character is delusional but it does show a lack of talent in the evaluator [poster].

That's the refuge of having no other argument. Everybody around here who has liked Jason all along acknowledges that he's is a good coach who's had a lot of learning to do. That includes his game management, clock management, and the work he did early on putting his staff together. That learning curve is necessary for *any* first time HC, and especially for one who'd never been an HC before on any level.

That came with the dinner, though, when he was hired. The goal was go get the organization on a scalable footing for the long term, which he appears to have done while learning the ropes and rebuilding the roster and while the organization sorted out its cap limitations.