The Tony Romo era is not over

[burmafrd]

If a first rd rated QB falls to us then we should go for it. We can get five years on a first rd pick. That is enough time since I believe Romo has about 3 left. That would give us two years to evaluate the new guy if we did not already know he was either going to be good or not.

But other then trying a late rd flyer on a potential that is the only way I go with a QB. The stats are scary as regards any QB not picked in the first rd. So a 2-3 rd pick on one is wasted almost certainly. If they had enough proven talent to be rated that high It also means they have huge flaws that usually never get fixed. Like Kapernick. Wilson MIGHT be the outlier like Brady, Warner and Romo were. They come about maybe every ten years or so at best. Stupid to count on that.

 

[burmafrd]

Romo is still playing great, but his age has obviously made health a concern. I think he needs to get rid of the ball a tad bit faster now instead of trying to make something happen that could be there when it's not there. Yeah, it's hard to take that portion of the Tony Romo completely out of Tony Romo - I'm not sure you'd really want to - and he could get injured in other ways, but you want to minimize the opportunities for injury. This also means kicking the offensive line into gear to better protect and the coaching staff to scheme better and call plays where the ball can be gotten rid of quicker.

you sure are asking a lot of our coaching staff.....

 

[darthseinfeld]

If a first rd rated QB falls to us then we should go for it. We can get five years on a first rd pick. That is enough time since I believe Romo has about 3 left. That would give us two years to evaluate the new guy if we did not already know he was either going to be good or not.

But other then trying a late rd flyer on a potential that is the only way I go with a QB. The stats are scary as regards any QB not picked in the first rd. So a 2-3 rd pick on one is wasted almost certainly. If they had enough proven talent to be rated that high It also means they have huge flaws that usually never get fixed. Like Kapernick. Wilson MIGHT be the outlier like Brady, Warner and Romo were. They come about maybe every ten years or so at best. Stupid to count on that.

In this draft the 2nd may be the place to go, granted its very hard to tell where these guys will be valued when the time comes. 1st or 2nd round notwithstanding, its the perfect draft for us to grab a future QB. Lot of Bridgewater, Carr and Garpopolo level guys

 

[burmafrd]

In this draft the 2nd may be the place to go, granted its very hard to tell where these guys will be valued when the time comes. 1st or 2nd round notwithstanding, its the perfect draft for us to grab a future QB. Lot of Bridgewater, Carr and Garpopolo level guys

Brees was a early 2nd rd pick but that mostly was because of his lack of height. That would be a scenario when I would go with a 2nd rd pick. Someone that slips from first rd status due to something like that or an injury would be worth it. BUT only if they were thought to be originally first rd talent. As I said history shows that anyone other then a first almost always fails.

 

[CrownCowboy]

Tony will be fine for the next 3 or 4 years. He might miss some games here and there but he'll be reliable and play at an elite level. As mentioned, the collarbone injury has and can happen to any quarterback.

We need to try and win the Super Bowl with what time he has left. Most people here know that he is capable of winning the Super Bowl and is an elite quarterback. Elite quarterbacks don't grow on trees and frankly, I don't see any coming up through the ranks in college that really impress me.

We'll just have to bite the bullett and probably struggle and lose for a period of time when Romo does decide to hang em up. Hopefully by then there will be a true stud QB in college that has emerged that we'll be in position to take a shot at.

 

[Alexander]

Hey, Matthew Stafford will be available soon for cheap. Jerry Jones loves to turn-over first round busts ...

That actually has been an idea floated out by some of the talking heads on NFL radio. May have even been Brandt. I can't recall.

 

[SultanOfSix]

you sure are asking a lot of our coaching staff.....

Should I laugh or should I cry?

 

[cowboys2233]

Comparing Rodgers fall to Manziels is simply not identical. Rodgers was supposed to be in serious consideration for the 1st pick. His fall was extremely out of the ordinary. I don't really care what he turned in to, more to the fact that a top 3 talent in a draft inexplicably fell that far to begin with. To compare it to recent years, it would be like Clowney falling to the 20's, or Luck falling to the 20's. It just doesn't happen very frequently. If a top 5 talent were to fall like that, I would have no problems with the pick regardless of how it turned out 5 years later. Manziel was never rated that high and many didn't even think he was a 1st Rd worthy QB.

The sheer talent gap between the tiers of players is just too great with a fall like that at that point to pass up. For this year, I think that player is Goff. I think he is the best QB prospect since the Luck draft and he goes very early, top pick possibly. If for some reason he doesn't, take him and don't look back. The reason Rodgers is a perfect example is not because of what he became, but because of what he was projected to be before the draft.

Nice try, but that doesn't wash. Rodgers' fall in the draft wasn't out of the ordinary or inexplicable. It's very explicable - 32 organizations completely whiffed on how good this guy was. Even the Packers. Because if any team had any clue, they certainly would have been willing to move to the middle of the first round to get him. The saw him throw, they saw him run, they knew everything about him...and they passed on the guy. He was not in serious consideration for the first pick. If he was, he would have been the second, or third, or fourth pick. Yes, it does happen frequently - look at the highest rated passers today - Brady, Rodgers, Romo, Wilson - heck, even guys like Roethlisberger certainly went later than they should have, given how good they are today. And there are probably even more examples of guys who were supposed to be can't miss who were total disasters. The QB position is the highest paid and most valuable...and it's the most inexact in terms of finding true quality. It's just very hard to measure some of the things that really matter when it comes to great QB play. At least, it has been up to this point. I think some of the new technologies today, including some virtual reality setups, could probably do a much better job of identifying who will truly be good at the next level, but that's for another day. And even that might not matter because virtual reality could never mirror true reality in the sense that these guys wouldn't be getting crushed by 300 lbs. linemen in virtual reality scenarios. They would know they're not in any real danger. That changes things.

 

[windward]

The season is over. I won't be one of those guys that comes back and say "I told you so", but there's no way we make the playoffs. Prepare yourself.

I can see many ways we can make the playoffs so you're wrong there.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Tony will be fine for the next 3 or 4 years. He might miss some games here and there but he'll be reliable and play at an elite level. As mentioned, the collarbone injury has and can happen to any quarterback.

We need to try and win the Super Bowl with what time he has left. Most people here know that he is capable of winning the Super Bowl and is an elite quarterback. Elite quarterbacks don't grow on trees and frankly, I don't see any coming up through the ranks in college that really impress me.

We'll just have to bite the bullett and probably struggle and lose for a period of time when Romo does decide to hang em up. Hopefully by then there will be a true stud QB in college that has emerged that we'll be in position to take a shot at.

Nobody knows how many years Tony has left. One thing though, we'll be in position to get a great one because when Tony retires this team will be near the bottom if the history of our backup QBs continues.

 

[T-RO]

Even fewer QB's come back from back surgery, and go on to have a MVP worthy season like Romo did, and this season was looking much the same for him... Romo's not the average, I think he's proven to be the exception to a lot of rules...

That's true...he's a remarkable guy. But ultimately nobody can cheat age. Manning is something of a parallel example:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ng-denver-broncos-offense-pelissero/74009184/

 

[okstateCowboy]

I'm not saying don't try to draft a QB worth developing, but I am saying that now is not the time to start throwing first-round picks at a problem we don't have... We already have that elusive elite franchise QB... We need to spend our highest picks on players that will help us maximize our last few years with the elite QB we already have...

Since 2005, there have only been 4 QB's drafted that would be considered a bonafide franchise QB's...

Aaron Rodgers (24th, 2005)
Matt Ryan (1st, 2008)
Andrew Luck (1st, 2012)
Russell Wilson (75th, 2012)

In 9+ seasons, out of 128 total QB's drafted in that span, only 4 top-shelf QB's have emerged.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/QB-1980-now.htm

Matt Stafford?
Cam Newton?
Andy Dalton?

 

[DAL1180]

Agreed. Drafting a QB in the 3rd round or lower is one thing. Drafting one in the 1st or 2nd when we're still trying to win now with our current franchise QB is another.

And like the OP said, Romo's still several years away from retiring. No point in drafting his replacement now. Why not wait until Romo's 1-2 years from retiring before making that move?

Aaron Rodgers was a bit of a lucky break for the Packers in the sense that they didn't know when Favre was going to retire (he flirted with retirement for roughly his last 37 seasons with Green Bay). If they knew Favre was going to play for 3+ more seasons, I doubt they end up drafting Rodgers.

Of course, Rodgers sitting for as long as he sat likely helped his development, but we could follow a similar course of action in a couple years if we so choose. Romo has plenty of football left in him, health willing.

I laughed out loud at the 37 years part. Classic!

 

[perrykemp]

Agreed. Drafting a QB in the 3rd round or lower is one thing. Drafting one in the 1st or 2nd when we're still trying to win now with our current franchise QB is another.

And like the OP said, Romo's still several years away from retiring. No point in drafting his replacement now. Why not wait until Romo's 1-2 years from retiring before making that move?

Aaron Rodgers was a bit of a lucky break for the Packers in the sense that they didn't know when Favre was going to retire (he flirted with retirement for roughly his last 37 seasons with Green Bay). If they knew Favre was going to play for 3+ more seasons, I doubt they end up drafting Rodgers.

Of course, Rodgers sitting for as long as he sat likely helped his development, but we could follow a similar course of action in a couple years if we so choose. Romo has plenty of football left in him, health willing.

I think it's worth noting Favre was 35 when they drafted Rodgers. Same age as Romo today.

On the other hand 3 years went by and Favre was still playing well at the end of Rodgers 3rd year in the league, the Packers made it to the NFC Championship in 2007, and the Packers had to make a really hard decision on whether or not to let Aaron Rodgers go his entire 4 year rookie contract without ever really seeing him play.

It went <ok> for the Packers when they basically decided they weren't going to take Favre back after his short retirement, however, 99 out of 100 times that would very ugly.

 

[HoustonSucks]

I'm for drafting a QB in round 3. If you watch college football almost all QBs SUCK. It's not their fault. College offenses do not help develop QBs like they did even 10 yrs ago. QBs can't read a D coming out of college and many rely on their legs and not their brains first. I think these days you can look for a guy with the tools and potential in the mid rounds and have him sit for 2/3 seasons developing. Romo was an example. He had the brains and the tools but not the know-how, patience. Parcels was right to sit him. Sure other 1st round QBs can come in and start but that's still no guarantee of success & the OP is right - we don't need that... Now.

 

[cej757]

Even fewer QB's come back from back surgery, and go on to have a MVP worthy season like Romo did, and this season was looking much the same for him... Romo's not the average, I think he's proven to be the exception to a lot of rules...

How can you say Romo was on his way to having a MVP season in only a game and a half of work? I really don't care what rd you draft a qb as long as he can play and be a viable backup that's all that should matter. I personally think Jameill Showers can get the job done. I liked what I saw from him in the preseason hopefully Garrett gives him the push they were giving Dustin Vaughn in Preseason.

 

[Wizarus]

I'd honestly give Tony 3 years max, which is probably going to be cut shorter because of injuries. I don't want us making the same mistake like we did with Troy. If we see an opportunity go for it next draft, and we really need to be aggressive about this in 2017.

 

[AzorAhai]

Nice try, but that doesn't wash. Rodgers' fall in the draft wasn't out of the ordinary or inexplicable. It's very explicable - 32 organizations completely whiffed on how good this guy was. Even the Packers. Because if any team had any clue, they certainly would have been willing to move to the middle of the first round to get him. The saw him throw, they saw him run, they knew everything about him...and they passed on the guy. He was not in serious consideration for the first pick. If he was, he would have been the second, or third, or fourth pick. Yes, it does happen frequently - look at the highest rated passers today - Brady, Rodgers, Romo, Wilson - heck, even guys like Roethlisberger certainly went later than they should have, given how good they are today. And there are probably even more examples of guys who were supposed to be can't miss who were total disasters. The QB position is the highest paid and most valuable...and it's the most inexact in terms of finding true quality. It's just very hard to measure some of the things that really matter when it comes to great QB play. At least, it has been up to this point. I think some of the new technologies today, including some virtual reality setups, could probably do a much better job of identifying who will truly be good at the next level, but that's for another day. And even that might not matter because virtual reality could never mirror true reality in the sense that these guys wouldn't be getting crushed by 300 lbs. linemen in virtual reality scenarios. They would know they're not in any real danger. That changes things.

No, it's incredibly inexplicable. He was thought of as a top 5 pick throughout the industry and even by most teams. The teams in the teens and after didn't even do much research on the guy because they thought he had no shot at even being there.

Nobody thought those guys, outside of Rodgers, would be what they are and they weren't graded out as top 5 talents. If a top 5 talent falls into the 20's, you take him. Period. The draft is about adding talent and Rodgers being in the top of the blue chip tier should never have fell, even if he only turned in to an average QB or bust. I don't care about his position or how he fits. Teams didn't go BPA. They didn't stick to their board. And if they didn't have him graded as a top 5 player, they were an outlier.

 

[RS12]

You have to draft franchise QBs when they fall to you, not when you want them. Romo is great but it is time to get his successor on the roster, and counting his health will be more sketchy each year. I do think if JFB morons his way out of Cleveland (I expect this), Jerry will roll the dice on him, and not draft QB in 16.

 

[AzorAhai]

Brees was a early 2nd rd pick but that mostly was because of his lack of height. That would be a scenario when I would go with a 2nd rd pick. Someone that slips from first rd status due to something like that or an injury would be worth it. BUT only if they were thought to be originally first rd talent. As I said history shows that anyone other then a first almost always fails.

And even those fail an an extraordinary rate. People wanting to draft a 1st rd QB to have a good b/u AND be the heir should realize the odds are you're not killing two birds with one stone. The odds really show that you're not killing any birds with that stone. Address the b/u if thats what people are looking for in free agency or via trade. Draft a QB in the 1st only, and I mean only, if they are the cream, elite prospect that shouldn't be there but is. Now if you're picking in the top 5 its a different story, but I don't expect to be that high.