The unstated genius of the Hardy deal

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Not only is the low cap hit this year due to his games played incentives being based on number of games last year (1), but it is the likelihood of a 3rd round compensatory pick if we do not resign him. We have lost more free agents than we will likely sign this year, and if Hardy chooses not to resign with us (I hope he does), but rather signs a big contract with another team, we will likely get a 3rd round compensatory pick. All for taking a chance on an elite pass rusher with a single, albeit serious, domestic violence incident. Kudos Jerry and Stephen.
 

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Wouldn't we have to wait until next year to say whether or not he would get a pick?

And then wait until 2017 to actually get the pick?
 
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Wouldn't we have to wait until next year to say whether or not he would get a pick?

And then wait until 2017 to actually get the pick?

Not sure of the timing, just that it's based on the number of free agents we sign vs. the number we lose, and if a free agent we lose signs a big money contract, per formula, we could get as much as a 3rd round pick
 

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Not only is the low cap hit this year due to his games played incentives being based on number of games last year (1), but it is the likelihood of a 3rd round compensatory pick if we do not resign him. We have lost more free agents than we will likely sign this year, and if Hardy chooses not to resign with us (I hope he does), but rather signs a big contract with another team, we will likely get a 3rd round compensatory pick. All for taking a chance on an elite pass rusher with a single, albeit serious, domestic violence incident. Kudos Jerry and Stephen.

On top of that we have two drafts to find another rusher to mix into the rotation and we don't have to count on Gardner who missed all of last season. I see nothing but good from all of this.
 

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Not only is the low cap hit this year due to his games played incentives being based on number of games last year (1), but it is the likelihood of a 3rd round compensatory pick if we do not resign him. We have lost more free agents than we will likely sign this year, and if Hardy chooses not to resign with us (I hope he does), but rather signs a big contract with another team, we will likely get a 3rd round compensatory pick. All for taking a chance on an elite pass rusher with a single, albeit serious, domestic violence incident. Kudos Jerry and Stephen.

It's been discussed so it isn't unstated. Maybe understated. ;)
 

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Not only is the low cap hit this year due to his games played incentives being based on number of games last year (1), but it is the likelihood of a 3rd round compensatory pick if we do not resign him. We have lost more free agents than we will likely sign this year, and if Hardy chooses not to resign with us (I hope he does), but rather signs a big contract with another team, we will likely get a 3rd round compensatory pick. All for taking a chance on an elite pass rusher with a single, albeit serious, domestic violence incident. Kudos Jerry and Stephen.

Yes, I posted in another thread that they would get a comp pick with Hardy; whereas, they won't get one with Melton because of the option contract. They technically cut Melton when they decline the option and you don't get comp picks for players that get cut.
 

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Ahhh yes...the vaunted comp pick strategy!

It's a long term strategy, best played by teams like BAL and GB. It takes patience and discipline and it is hard to predict. I don't think Dallas has the fan base to play this game. They have to sell million dollar suites and telling a potential customer that they may get a 3rd in a couple years is a hard sell.

It will be a nice bonus if Hardy leaves though.
 

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speaking of comp picks, what are we looking at this year's losses: Murray, Carter etc? We should get something for next year
 

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speaking of comp picks, what are we looking at this year's losses: Murray, Carter etc? We should get something for next year

Signing Hardy, Brinkley and Gachkar may take some away

Qualifiers we lost: Murray, Parnell, Carter, Harris

It's too complicated to know for sure
 

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Not only is the low cap hit this year due to his games played incentives being based on number of games last year (1), but it is the likelihood of a 3rd round compensatory pick if we do not resign him. We have lost more free agents than we will likely sign this year, and if Hardy chooses not to resign with us (I hope he does), but rather signs a big contract with another team, we will likely get a 3rd round compensatory pick. All for taking a chance on an elite pass rusher with a single, albeit serious, domestic violence incident. Kudos Jerry and Stephen.

TOTALLY AWESOME!!!
 

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Yeah, I pretty much think Hardy will stay in Dallas with a nice, new contract if he plays up to his reputation and doesn't get in any more trouble.

Basically, if Dallas wants him, they'll be able to keep him. The Dallas cap is in good shape and will only be in better shape next year.

Players love it in Dallas these days. Best stadium in the league, smart, no nonsense coach, great defensive coordinator, high profile as you can get. Hardy won't want to leave as long as the money is close. Dallas will get it close if he plays well. They'll spend big on an edge rusher. They won't spend big on a RB though.
 

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Not sure of the timing, just that it's based on the number of free agents we sign vs. the number we lose, and if a free agent we lose signs a big money contract, per formula, we could get as much as a 3rd round pick

Yes, but he wouldn't potentially exit until next year so it would only make sense that next offseason's movement determines if the team gets a pick. Free agency continues beyond the draft so current year picks can't be awarded until all movement is done.

Also, the formula apparently doesn't apply to all players lost or sign for whatever reason. Nobody knows all the details but aspects are known. Given that it factors money, playing time, and postseason honors it's possible that a lack of playing time could be a disqualifier.

Suspension is expected so any injury that cuts his snaps enough may exclude him from pick assignment. At the bare minimum it would drop his assignment within a round because his salary is tied to playing time so he takes a hit in 2 areas for missed playing time. Money is suspected to be the biggest determinant factor, but I don't think anyone knows for sure if a player must meet playing levels to qualify.

Basically, Dallas needs a net loss of 1 next year if Hardy leaves, and they can't have a player they will gain who gets assigned to the same round that Hardy does because the highest slotted remaining compensatory pick is negated first. If a team loses a monster player and is awarded top compensatory pick, it would be cancelled out by a player they signed if that player were to just barely cross the threshold for 3rd round assignment.

Another aspect in play is that Hardy projects to cancel out Murray for this offseason. Essentially, the team deferred a pick they would have had in 2016 had they not signed Hardy to a pick they could potentially have in 2017 if Hardy leaves and Dallas signs nobody to counter his loss.

Not really any sort of genius because it's doubtful a possible 3rd round pick in 2017 is any more valued than a likely 3rd round pick in 2016. Inconsequential happenstance. If they get a pick for him, it will be the one they lost when they signed him.

I'd say it's unlikely the team even considered this aspect to any significant extent, if at all. With all the uncertainty in future years, it seems like wasted effort to invest time considering whether or not you want an extra pick at the end of the 3rd round to be in next year's draft, or the draft after next year's draft.
 

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Sorry but can someone please explain compensatory draft picks to me? Like how do you get them?
 

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Not only is the low cap hit this year due to his games played incentives being based on number of games last year (1), but it is the likelihood of a 3rd round compensatory pick if we do not resign him. We have lost more free agents than we will likely sign this year, and if Hardy chooses not to resign with us (I hope he does), but rather signs a big contract with another team, we will likely get a 3rd round compensatory pick. All for taking a chance on an elite pass rusher with a single, albeit serious, domestic violence incident. Kudos Jerry and Stephen.

Conclusion: The two Joneses surrounded by intelligent people who make intelligent decissions make them both look intelligent.
 
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