The Usual Over-reactions and attacks on the Coach

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This team was ready to play. This team played with emotion and urgency. This team executed on offense without the usual penalties that come against the Giants defense.

Our OL did a truly great job in the running game and the passing game...better than anyone probably expected.

Our defense, which was horrible against the run last week, stepped up and controlled the line of scrimmage and made the Giants running game a non-factor.

The offense scored 31 points without benefit of a turnover or a big special teams return. The offense scored when it need to score and had some excellent drives.

It's so totally wrong to hang this one on Phillips, but there is blame to go around.

Let's start with Tony Romo, Terence Newman, and DeMarcus Ware (oh yeah, I know, he's untouchable)

Neither Phillips nor Garrett can be held responsible for the fact that Tony still chokes on the big stage...he's a very good QB, but regardless of stats, until he stops giving games away and starts winning the big ones, we need to stop calling him GREAT. Romo's greatest attribute is keeping plays alive, avoiding the rush and improvising...however, he is never going to make anyone forget Aikman with his accuracy. Forget stats, when was the last time you saw him have a game like Eli did last night...even when the coverage was there, Eli had the arm, confidence, and accuracy to put in on their chests with defenders hanging on them for receptions. Tony is better at scrambling around and throwing to wide open guys. His best pass last night was the TD to Witten when late coverage got there to make it look much tougher than it looked when he threw it.

Terence Newman was the worst CB on either side of the field last night. When you star QB and your shut-down corner decide to be the worst players on the field for a game, it's amazing that you even had a chance to win. Newman couldn't cover his own shadow last night...period...he was lost and looked like a rookie on the interference call. The Giants were attacking him from the beginning, and he was owned...he can forget making the probowl this year after the entire league watched his pitiful performance last night.

DeMarcus Ware? Is he still on the team? Don't give me anything about WAde or scheme...Ware has one job...rush the QB. In two games, he has maybe 2-3 pressures, no sacks. It's one thing to not get sacks, but he's not even getting pressure. And he's not exactly making tackles all over the field either. 100 million dollars? Not yet. You don't take a guy who thinks he's the best in the league and have to scheme for him...he's supposed to beat the OT. Even when they didn't have the TE on him, he still struggled.

Now, am I worried about these three players? NO....Romo, Newman, and Ware have to perform for us to win...and they will....but I'm amazed that Romo and Newman chose last night to stink the place up with horrible games and that Ware wasn't able to impact the game at all.

Wade Phillips? The only time we got any pressure on the QB was when he brought the blitz, but when your star CB isn't covering anyone, you can't keep blitzing....when he dropped guys into coverage, Ware and company didn't even get close, allowing Eli to move around and wait for someone to get open. The defensive game plan was sound, imo...we shut down the run and made Eli pass. Newman didn't cover, and Ware didn't rush....I'm sorry, but this time I'm not blaming the coach.

It looked to me like the coaches did a nice job with the offense, special teams, and yes, even the defense (see the run, the red zone, and the scheme). The players all came to play....but what's a coach to do when his QB, his shut-down CB, and his pass-rushing league MVP candidate do nothing positive and two of them do quite a bit of giving the game away?

On a side note, I think the holding call on Carpenter was CRAP. :)
 

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An orthopedic surgeon could retire off of repairing all the knee jerk injuries on this board.
 

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Romo sucks.He cant help it.He just sucks.He is not accurate at all.
 

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I have to disagree.

There are a ton of people who have never been on Wade Phillips' bandwagon.

Similar to Terrell Owens, I was never a fan of Wade Phillips but gave him a chance because I thought he was the best option for our defense.

How many Seasons have to pass to continue to give Wade Phillips a pass?

It's not like he doesn't have any talent to work with and has to coach up the talent.

All I heard all Offseason was that Wade Phillips would have the entire year to coach the defense personally and we have looked horrible straight out of the gate.

Again, Jerry Jones not offering Wade Phillips a contract extension tells you everything you need to know.
 

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Rom doesn't suck, and he doesn't "choke" IMO. Choking is when the pressure gets to you and you tighten up and short-arm passes, miss wide open guys a la McNabb, get scared to go downfield, etc. Romo just really is that gunslinger type (I know, horrible cliche, but true) who gets overly excited and goes for too much sometimes.

That's where I think his OC doesn't do him any favors. I don't think Garrett is an idiot or the sole reason we lost or anything like that. But I wish he would recognize that his QB *is* the offense, and recognize when he needs to help manage his emotions by calling more conservative plays.

That just seems like basic coaching to me. These are players with emotions and personalities, not just Os on a chalkboard. Maybe Garrett watched Troy's robotic precision over the years and that hurts his handling of an entirely different personality like Romo. I don't know.
 

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When Romo calls all of his plays, I'll focus more of the blame to him. Right now, it's both Romo and the coaches (Garrett) who need to get drastically better.
 

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juckie;2957867 said:
Romo sucks.He cant help it.He just sucks.He is not accurate at all.

Sorry, just have to disagree there. Sometimes, he throws some amazingly accurate passes that leave me shaking my head. At TIMES his throws just amaze me.

His problem is his gunslinger mentality. He just lets it go sometimes, he said it himself in the PC. He throws it nearly as hard as he can while ducking under. I know he doesn't see the end of the play.

That's where I wish the coach (Jones?) would grab him by the face mask and ask him what the heck is he doing! Kick his arse in practice and make him (and other boneheads) pay for their mistakes.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2957878 said:
I have to disagree.

There are a ton of people who have never been on Wade Phillips' bandwagon.

Similar to Terrell Owens, I was never a fan of Wade Phillips but gave him a chance because I thought he was the best option for our defense.

How many Seasons have to pass to continue to give Wade Phillips a pass?

It's not like he doesn't have any talent to work with and has to coach up the talent.

All I heard all Offseason was that Wade Phillips would have the entire year to coach the defense personally and we have looked horrible straight out of the gate.

Again, Jerry Jones not offering Wade Phillips a contract extension tells you everything you need to know.

I'm not saying Wade won't be fired at the end of this season, or that he won't deserve if after another December swoon....what I'm asking is in what possible way could the coach have gotten us to 2-0 last night? This wasn't one of those games when we say the players didn't come to play.

I don't see any way Wade is responsible for last night's loss. Garrett could have recognized that Romo was off and stuck more with the running game, but that's just not his nature.

This loss is solely on Romo and Newman, imo....and Ware isn't earning his big payday yet. The 3 stars need to perform like stars.
 

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wayne motley;2957939 said:
...what I'm asking is in what possible way could the coach have gotten us to 2-0 last night?

I think that Wade didn't play for the Giants to pass like they did. But after what they gave up in Tampa, how could he ignore it?

Terrible preparation, the coaching staff is just terrible and the 'boys clearly not prepared to play the run AND pass.

Now, Manningham and Smith look like pro bowlers.

If only we had hired Mike Singleterry :bang2:
 

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wayne motley;2957939 said:
I'm not saying Wade won't be fired at the end of this season, or that he won't deserve if after another December swoon....what I'm asking is in what possible way could the coach have gotten us to 2-0 last night? This wasn't one of those games when we say the players didn't come to play.

I don't see any way Wade is responsible for last night's loss. Garrett could have recognized that Romo was off and stuck more with the running game, but that's just not his nature.

This loss is solely on Romo and Newman, imo....and Ware isn't earning his big payday yet. The 3 stars need to perform like stars.

Wayne, I agree, Red has to shoulder alot of the blame.

However, how long has Wade Phillips been around NFL Defenses?

Wade Phillips cut his teeth on the Defensive Side of the ball and the main reason he was hired was to fix the ailing 3-4 Defense.

There is no reason his defenses should allow the yardage we gave up against Tampa Bay.

I am still somewhat shocked that two Giants receivers had 10 Receptions.
 

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wayne motley;2957939 said:
I'm not saying Wade won't be fired at the end of this season, or that he won't deserve if after another December swoon....what I'm asking is in what possible way could the coach have gotten us to 2-0 last night? This wasn't one of those games when we say the players didn't come to play.

I don't see any way Wade is responsible for last night's loss. Garrett could have recognized that Romo was off and stuck more with the running game, but that's just not his nature.

Wade's the HC and if he doesn't like the flow of the game in terms of play calling, then he needs to direct his OC. But I'm not even sure Wade can do that with JG. We have two head coaches, one on o and one on D.

Our D had no turnovers and no sacks. I don't know how Wade is free of some responsibility. Romo and the offense have led this team to 4th quarter leads before, only to have the D fold. This defense just can't come up with a big play or a crucial stop to clinch a tight game and I put that on Wade.
 

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When Romo displays he isn't a chokeartist and Wade that he can put together a solid defense and when a playoff game, then you can boast about people over-reacting.
 

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Not sure how the op can say the Cowboys were 'ready' to play...First series on offense?...3 and out.

I do agree with the conclusion on Romo, one I came to at the close of last season...This 'great' label has to be removed...He's got a big contract and he's been exciting at times but great he is not...There isn't even enough evidence to suggest he will be great...There was a time that Eli was being called a choker as he was inexplicably blowing games late...So Tony can get over that hump but, so far, he looks the same as he has the last couple of seasons - unable to win the big games.

And, I agree, by comparison, Eli looked like a Tom Brady whereas Romo looked like Rex Grossman.

TNewman has gotten off pretty light among fans but all this talk of great shutdown corner has to pretty much disappear as well...He got smoked more than a couple of times last night

It's true that Ware hasn't shown everyone what he can be but I don't place blame on him entirely...Part of it personnel but part of it must be schemes as well...If you have a great pass rusher, you move him around until you can get him free to do what he can do...Ware made his biggest plays away from the line of scrimmage and not in their backfield...Outside of Ratliff, no one else even got a sniff of Eli...Some of that is personnel (How on earth did Spencer miss Eli early in the game??) and some of it is on the D-Coordinator (Camp Cupcake Counselor)
 

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Eli was accurate, but most of his guys were wide open. Romo had less room for error, but he was god awful in his accuracy. That is not the norm.

Ware has to get pressure he did tackle well though

Scandrick was god awfull, Newman terrible and Jenkins bad. Hamlin should bitz because he has never helped his cornerback.
 

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wayne motley;2957939 said:
I'm not saying Wade won't be fired at the end of this season, or that he won't deserve if after another December swoon....what I'm asking is in what possible way could the coach have gotten us to 2-0 last night? This wasn't one of those games when we say the players didn't come to play.

I don't see any way Wade is responsible for last night's loss. Garrett could have recognized that Romo was off and stuck more with the running game, but that's just not his nature.

This loss is solely on Romo and Newman, imo....and Ware isn't earning his big payday yet. The 3 stars need to perform like stars.

Agreed. That game is not on the coaches at all. That was all execution last night.

It was like one of those "No freaking way" games that the CPU pulls on you in Madden.
 

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Felix Jones - 7 carries, 96 yards, TD.
- 0 catches, 0 yards
 

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Future;2958345 said:
Felix Jones - 7 carries, 96 yards, TD.
- 0 catches, 0 yards

Sadly, the loss really took the pop out of some of the highlights of the game...Felix being one of them...Outside that bizarre fumble (Has this even been addressed by the player?), he was as electrifying as many of us hoped he'd be.
 

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This team was ready to play...well then someone should have called the Defense and let them know there was a passing game.
 

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Yeagermeister;2957865 said:
An orthopedic surgeon could retire off of repairing all the knee jerk injuries on this board.

I dont understand how it is a knee jerk reaction when we have been seeing this team do the same thing year in and year out.

Im not really upset by the loss, but I understand how a lot of people could be.

It is frustrating watching this team out play its opponents and still find ways to lose. If anyone told me we would put up 31 points and hold Jacobs to less then 100 yards I would of been ecstatic.

Every QB is going to make mistakes but Romo has to understand that when it is the end of the 3rd quarter and you are at mid field with a lead you dont chuck Hail Mary's up. You run, check it down, or throw it away.
 
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