The wont be popular Mock

[dbair1967]

At least based on what alot of forum-ites think. But its what I'd do and I do think we'd be a vastly improved team because of it. I dont think its critical to get a CB in round one, and past McKelvin and DRC I honestly dont see much of a difference between the rest of the CB's that make out the next 6-8-10 prospects. I also dont think WR is critical, and especially when you consider most WR's drafted in the 2nd half of round one rarely make any immediate impact anyway.

1) RB Darren McFadden, Arkansas...yep I'd trade up...I wouldnt go much more than giving up both 1's and a 3rd (plus maybe a throw in player like a Carpenter or Ayodele)...and depending on what pick it is, its possible we could do the deal for both firsts only. He's the most dominant player in this draft and upgrades our big play ability on offense. He's still only 20yrs old. He is highly competitive and plays his best against the best teams, on top of dominating the best conference in football for 3 yrs. He also does something that I am sure Jones is considering for 2009 and beyond- puts butts in seats.

2) CB Patrick Lee, Auburn...he's kinda under the radar for alot of people, but his one season as a starter was very good at Auburn and he runs exceptionally well (4.4 at 200lbs). Other options for this pick would be maybe Cason if he is here, or maybe Porter from IU

3) pick traded in McFadden deal

4) OG Chilo Rachal, USC...I think this is the kind of guy Houck can do wonders with...battle tested from a school that produces good OL...might need a yr or so to further develop, but we have time. He left school schoolf or monetary reasons, to help take care of his sick mom.

5) CB Chevis Jackson LSU...I know he doesnt have great speed, but he can cover and makes plays...is used to playing in a very aggressive defense and is a reliable tackler

6) QB Kevin O'Connell, SDSU...developmental prospect...good size and decent enough arm...hard worker and coached by Chuck Long

7) S Dominique Barber, Minnesota...whether its late in the draft or as a priority free agent, we must have the Barbarian's brother on our team...should be an ideal special teamer while he develops behind Hamlin and RW, and could eventually develop into a starting SS

I dont see me changing mine much unless we make a surprising deal before the draft (say for WR Roy Williams). Even if we fail to trade up for McFadden, I'd still try to be aggressive and trade up for McKelvin, who not only should be an ideal nickel CB but he is an outstanding punt returner too. And if they've decided internally they have to have a #2 WR, maybe Malcolm Kelly is the guy (and I think we'd have to move up a little for him too) If we dont trade up for McFadden, round two probably becomes a RB pick for us, and like many others I'd be inclined to go with Ray Rice. If they wait a round later, maybe Tashard Choice. If its a 2nd day RB I like Thomas Brown from Georgia.

David

 

[Goldenrichards83]

If we had fill more problem areas in freeagency I wouldn't have a problem with that but there are too many holes to give up both 1s and the Rb position is far too deep.

 

[SDogo]

If we had fill more problem areas in freeagency I wouldn't have a problem with that but there are too many holes to give up both 1s and the Rb position is far too deep.

I kind of feel the same way. We are painting ourselves in a corner at RB and CB in a year that just happens to be very deep at both positions and yet WR still needs addressed.

If we would have covered even one of those positions via free agency I would actually be all for this mock.

 

[dbair1967]

If we had fill more problem areas in freeagency I wouldn't have a problem with that but there are too many holes to give up both 1s and the Rb position is far too deep.

I just dont see many holes. I know we need a nickel CB, and we can definitely get that even with the trade up. If there was an obvious quality #2 WR we could get, you might look at that, but outside of trading for a veteran like Roy Williams it probably isnt happening. None of those WR's that we could draft at 22 or 28 would DEFINITELY start ahead of Crayton. Very few WR's in that range make much, if any impact as rookies.

And there will be a few serviceable veterans we could plug in at CB if absolutely necessary, but we wouldnt need to look at them until after the draft.

David

 

[ThatsmyQB]

1) RB Darren McFadden, Arkansas...yep I'd trade up...I wouldnt go much more than giving up both 1's and a 3rd (plus maybe a throw in player like a Carpenter or Ayodele)...

That wouldn't get it done, you'd have to give up a LOT MORE than both 1st's and a 3rd, plus like I said, you'd have Barber AND McFadden???
70 Mill for McFadden and at least 30 mil to resign Barber since you don't wanan trade him as part of the deal I can only asusme you'd want to keep him, that's over 100 million dollars for our R.B. position, that's almost TWICE AS MUCH as we paid for Romo's contract, and that's just INSANE!!!!!!

and depending on what pick it is, its possible we could do the deal for both firsts only. He's the most dominant player in this draft and upgrades our big play ability on offense. He's still only 20yrs old. He is highly competitive and plays his best against the best teams, on top of dominating the best conference in football for 3 yrs. He also does something that I am sure Jones is considering for 2009 and beyond- puts butts in seats.

SUPERBOWLS put butts in seats!
This would put us in cap hell with 100 mil to the R.B. position and STILL needing to find a replacement for Henry next year, AND we'd have no one at W.R. opposite T.O. for this year and no one for the FUTURE at W.R. when T.O. leaves.

2) CB Patrick Lee, Auburn...he's kinda under the radar for alot of people, but his one season as a starter was very good at Auburn and he runs exceptionally well (4.4 at 200lbs). Other options for this pick would be maybe Cason if he is here, or maybe Porter from IU

Don't mind the pick!

4) OG Chilo Rachal, USC...I think this is the kind of guy Houck can do wonders with...battle tested from a school that produces good OL...might need a yr or so to further develop, but we have time. He left school schoolf or monetary reasons, to help take care of his sick mom.

NO WAY he lasts past round 2!

5) CB Chevis Jackson LSU...I know he doesnt have great speed, but he can cover and makes plays...is used to playing in a very aggressive defense and is a reliable tackler

Will not be around this late!

6) QB Kevin O'Connell, SDSU...developmental prospect...good size and decent enough arm...hard worker and coached by Chuck Long

OK I GUESS!


7) S Dominique Barber, Minnesota...whether its late in the draft or as a priority free agent, we must have the Barbarian's brother on our team...should be an ideal special teamer while he develops behind Hamlin and RW, and could eventually develop into a starting SS


You know how I feel about this, trading up for McFadden to me would be a HERSCHEL WALKER TYPE MISTAKE only NOT in our favor!

I still say lets play the WHAT WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE GAME!

A) Barber and McFadden

OR

B) Barber and either Ray Rice/Jammal Charles/Chris Johnson
C.B. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
W.R. James Hardy

Oh, and it would be CHEAPER CAP WISE to pay ALL the players in the B scenario at 3 different positions also!

you'd still have a GREAT R.B. DUO plus you'd add a #1 C.B. and a #1 W.R. for the future AND you'd SAVE MONEY CAP WISE while also spreading out the money over 3 positions on 4 players compared to paying MORE for two players at the SAME POSITION!
To me it's a NO BRAINER, but to each his own, but this would be a COLLOSAL MISTAKE on our part to trade up for McFadden!
We are gonna be a superbowl contender for the next 7 years, so lets get MORE TOP PLAYERS at SEVERAL POSITIONS while taking less of a cap hit so we can resign guys like Hamlin and Canty on top of it also!

 

[NeonNinja]

I doubt we get DRC without trading up either, so that option is incorrect. If we can't get Jenkins, DRC or McKelvin than go get that beast DMAC.

 

[Rampage]

i like it obviously. i think it's a lot more realistic than everyone thinking were gonna stay at 22 and 28. but i like it cause we dmac and because i think were gonna sign a fa corner either way. wr will probably we upgraded with roy williams from detroit next year. i think jerry has a great plan in mind and think he's on his to completing it.

 

[dbair1967]

That wouldn't get it done, you'd have to give up a LOT MORE than both 1st's and a 3rd, plus like I said, you'd have Barber AND McFadden???

There's this amazing invention called the draft trade value chart, maybe you should take a look.

70 Mill for McFadden and at least 30 mil to resign Barber since you don't wanan trade him as part of the deal I can only asusme you'd want to keep him, that's over 100 million dollars for our R.B. position, that's almost TWICE AS MUCH as we paid for Romo's contract, and that's just INSANE!!!!!!

I think someone posted the #6 pick last yr got 41mils for 6yrs...I am not interested into trading to the top pick, nor any of the top-3...

SUPERBOWLS put butts in seats!
This would put us in cap hell with 100 mil to the R.B. position and STILL needing to find a replacement for Henry next year, AND we'd have no one at W.R. opposite T.O. for this year and no one for the FUTURE at W.R. when T.O. leaves.

There wont be any cap hell, do you think the cap is going to start decreasing or something? As for putting butts in seats, this new stadium is huge. Star players help sell seats and you make tons in marketing off of them. It isnt the main reason to do the deal for him, but it does help justify it.

Don't mind the pick!

I'm surprised more dont know about Patrick Lee, IMO had he started more than a yr he'd probably be a lock to go in the first rd.

NO WAY he lasts past round 2!

I guess we'll see, hopefully he does

Will not be around this late!

Possibly, but his lack of speed will drop him down some too. Hopefully he makes it to us.

You know how I feel about this, trading up for McFadden to me would be a HERSCHEL WALKER TYPE MISTAKE only NOT in our favor!

No its not because it isnt anywhere near the same mege deal. The Vikings sacrificed players and several years worth of draft picks. I'm saying we give up 1 late rd first and 1 late rd 3rd.

I still say lets play the WHAT WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE GAME!

A) Barber and McFadden

Yeah, I want that.

OR

B) Barber and either Ray Rice/Jammal Charles/Chris Johnson

I like Ray Rice if we dont end up with McFadden, but honestly dont see these other two amounting to much.

C.B. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie

Probably wont be there when we pick at 22 anyway...like him alot, but we'd most likely have to trade up for him or McKelvin (as fyi, the only two CB's I like in the first rd)

W.R. James Hardy

definitely no sure thing and could easily take years to develop, if he ever does

Oh, and it would be CHEAPER CAP WISE to pay ALL the players in the B scenario at 3 different positions also!

That may be true, but it also likely they dont mak near the impact in making the team better

you'd still have a GREAT R.B. DUO plus you'd add a #1 C.B. and a #1 W.R. for the future AND you'd SAVE MONEY CAP WISE while also spreading out the money over 3 positions on 4 players compared to paying MORE for two players at the SAME POSITION!

yeah, if they worked out...and odds say they wont

To me it's a NO BRAINER, but to each his own, but this would be a COLLOSAL MISTAKE on our part to trade up for McFadden!
We are gonna be a superbowl contender for the next 7 years, so lets get MORE TOP PLAYERS at SEVERAL POSITIONS while taking less of a cap hit so we can resign guys like Hamlin and Canty on top of it also!

We went down this road before in the mid 90's and the team traded down or stood pat and took lesser players, and we regressed as a team. Very rarely does a loaded 13-3 team get a chance to add a true impact player, this year we may have that chance and if so, I'm all for it.

David

 

[Goldenrichards83]

I just dont see many holes. I know we need a nickel CB, and we can definitely get that even with the trade up. If there was an obvious quality #2 WR we could get, you might look at that, but outside of trading for a veteran like Roy Williams it probably isnt happening. None of those WR's that we could draft at 22 or 28 would DEFINITELY start ahead of Crayton. Very few WR's in that range make much, if any impact as rookies.

And there will be a few serviceable veterans we could plug in at CB if absolutely necessary, but we wouldnt need to look at them until after the draft.

David

I think we need 2 corners not just 1 and if we make that trade we would be setting ourselves up to not only miss out on a top guy at the corner position but we would be playing catch up trying to find another Rb, Wr, CB. I think it could still be done but our draft could be alot better if we didn't give both picks away for Mcfadden.

 

[dbair1967]

I think we need 2 corners not just 1 and

yeah I'd agree, or one true CB and a CB/FS prospect. And we could still get that by taking one in th 2nd rd and one in the 4th or 5th

if we make that trade we would be setting ourselves up to not only miss out on a top guy at the corner position

I dont think we're getting a top guy at the CB posiion staying at 22 anyway...I think McKelvin and DRC will go well before we pick, and after them a bunch of CB's seem about the same to me...Jenkins might be the exception, but he supposedly has some attitude issues

but we would be playing catch up trying to find another Rb, Wr, CB.

well obviously if we trade up for McFadden we have him and MBIII, RB isnt an issue...I get my CB in rd 2...WR I am not as concerned with and would prefer to mak a run at Roy Williams next yr than use a 1st rd pick on one of these guys this yr

David

 

[Bob Sacamano]

replace Chilo Rachal w/ Virginia Tech WR Eddie Royal, and you have yourself a draft

 

[ThatsmyQB]

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That wouldn't get it done, you'd have to give up a LOT MORE than both 1st's and a 3rd, plus like I said, you'd have Barber AND McFadden???
There's this amazing invention called the draft trade value chart, maybe you should take a look.

Here you go!
1st pick worth 3,000
22nd pick worth 780
28th pick worth 660
3rd round pick worth 132

HMMMMMMMMM, You MIGHT wanna do some MATH cause LIKE I FREAKIN SAID, your gonna need a LOT MORE than both our 1st's and a 3rd, DO THE MATH and GET BACK TO ME GENIUS!!!

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70 Mill for McFadden and at least 30 mil to resign Barber since you don't wanan trade him as part of the deal I can only asusme you'd want to keep him, that's over 100 million dollars for our R.B. position, that's almost TWICE AS MUCH as we paid for Romo's contract, and that's just INSANE!!!!!!
I think someone posted the #6 pick last yr got 41mils for 6yrs...I am not interested into trading to the top pick, nor any of the top-3...

Then you might wanna mention that in your original post!




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You know how I feel about this, trading up for McFadden to me would be a HERSCHEL WALKER TYPE MISTAKE only NOT in our favor!
No its not because it isnt anywhere near the same mege deal. The Vikings sacrificed players and several years worth of draft picks. I'm saying we give up 1 late rd first and 1 late rd 3rd.

I didnt' say it's the same Herschel mega deal, I'm saying it would be a MISTAKE on the level the Vikings made BECAUSE of the draft picks and the fact we'd have to invest way too much money into one position R.B. which would cost us to not be able to resign Hamlin possibly and even someone like Canty, on TOP of not getting future #1 W.R.'s and future #1 C.B.'s that this team is gonna need, it's a HUGE trickle down affect that will affect this OVERALL TEAM negatively for our future!

I still say lets play the WHAT WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE GAME!

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Oh, and it would be CHEAPER CAP WISE to pay ALL the players in the B scenario at 3 different positions also!
That may be true, but it also likely they dont mak near the impact in making the team better

SERIOUSLY????????
you don't think getting THREE TOP PLAYERS is gonna help make our OVERALL TEAM BETTER???????

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you'd still have a GREAT R.B. DUO plus you'd add a #1 C.B. and a #1 W.R. for the future AND you'd SAVE MONEY CAP WISE while also spreading out the money over 3 positions on 4 players compared to paying MORE for two players at the SAME POSITION!
yeah, if they worked out...and odds say they wont

Well I could say IF McFadden worked out then, RIGHT?
WHAT ODDS???????????
you wanna talk odds, R.B.'s picked in the top 10 are basically a COIN FLIP 50/50 they WORK OUT!
Bottom line you have a better chance for success drafting THREE top players instead of one, the ODDS are a LOT BETTER that at least one will pan out, probably two if not all three.
Where as a top 10 R.B. has about a 50% chance of succeeding and making an impact, you wanna risk our cap and getting 3 top players at other positions of NEED on what amounts to a COIN FLIP on a position where we ALREADY are set with a Pro-Bowler?????????/
That doesn't make good sense AT ALL!

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To me it's a NO BRAINER, but to each his own, but this would be a COLLOSAL MISTAKE on our part to trade up for McFadden!
We are gonna be a superbowl contender for the next 7 years, so lets get MORE TOP PLAYERS at SEVERAL POSITIONS while taking less of a cap hit so we can resign guys like Hamlin and Canty on top of it also!
We went down this road before in the mid 90's and the team traded down or stood pat and took lesser players, and we regressed as a team. Very rarely does a loaded 13-3 team get a chance to add a true impact player, this year we may have that chance and if so, I'm all for it.

Not when that impact player you are talking about plays the SAME POSITION you already have a young Pro-Bowler!
Now if you wanted to trade up for a Chris Long or a Sedrick Ellis to make an impact at L.D.E. where we actually NEED and upgrade, fine, but to give up all we need to give up just to get a guy at a position we already have a Pro-Bowler is stupid IMO, not as stupid as trading up for a Q.B. when we have Romo or a T.E. when we have Witten, but almost as stupid!


David

 

[ThatsmyQB]

I think we need 2 corners not just 1 and if we make that trade we would be setting ourselves up to not only miss out on a top guy at the corner position but we would be playing catch up trying to find another Rb, Wr, CB. I think it could still be done but our draft could be alot better if we didn't give both picks away for Mcfadden.

BINGO!
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Vintage]

Here you go!
1st pick worth 3,000
22nd pick worth 780
28th pick worth 660
3rd round pick worth 132

HMMMMMMMMM, You MIGHT wanna do some MATH cause LIKE I FREAKIN SAID, your gonna need a LOT MORE than both our 1st's and a 3rd, DO THE MATH and GET BACK TO ME GENIUS!!!

You should learn how to read.

I think someone posted the #6 pick last yr got 41mils for 6yrs...I am not interested into trading to the top pick, nor any of the top-3...

Which means, he wasn't saying the 2 1sts and a 3rd would be traded for the #1 pick.....

Read, comprehend, then post.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

I dont think we're getting a top guy at the CB posiion staying at 22 anyway...I think McKelvin and DRC will go well before we pick, and after them a bunch of CB's seem about the same to me...Jenkins might be the exception, but he supposedly has some attitude issues

But it's not DEFINATE they are both gone, if DRC is there and we can get him, then what?
We'd miss out on a top C.B. to upgrade a position where we already have a young Pro-Bowler who averages almost 5 yards a carry?



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but we would be playing catch up trying to find another Rb, Wr, CB.

well obviously if we trade up for McFadden we have him and MBIII, RB isnt an issue...

R.B. isn't an issue TODAY as we speak!
We have a YOUNG PRO-BOWLER as our R.B. who's pretty damn good last I checked, all we need is a backup compliment in round 2 or 3 and we'd be SET at R.B. also, NO?
Not to mention it's not COST AFFECTIVE to sign BOTH McFadden AND Barber, too much for one position and would rather use the extra money we'd save by not moving up to sign Hamlin and Barber and Canty.

I get my CB in rd 2...

We need to draft a C.B. who can be a great starter opposite Newman the next 10 years, and would rather use a 1st rounder on such a key position of actual NEED for this team instead of a luxury R.B. when we already have a pro-bowler at R.B.

WR I am not as concerned with and would prefer to mak a run at Roy Williams next yr than use a 1st rd pick on one of these guys this yr

Who's to say Roy's available, and you say NEXT YEAR, what about this year?
If T.O. goes down, are you really comfortable with Crayton and Hurd as our starters with Stanback as our #3 W.R.??????

Now if we didn't have Barber and R.B. was a HUGE HOLE and a HUGE NEED for this team, I'd say do whatever you can to move up and get McFadden, but since R.B. is not only NOT A NEED, it's actually a STRENGTH right now as we speak, why give up all those picks for a position where you already have a pro-bowler?

 

[ThatsmyQB]

You should learn how to read.


Which means, he wasn't saying the 2 1sts and a 3rd would be traded for the #1 pick.....

Read, comprehend, then post.

You need to READ, because he said that AFTER I made my post and did NOT say that in his original post!
DAMN, YOU need to READ and COMPREHEND! :laugh2:

Nothing funnier then someone trying to make fun of you and it turns out they are the ones who end up looking stupid!

 

[Vintage]

You need to READ, because he said that AFTER I made my post and did NOT say that in his original post!
DAMN, YOU need to READ and COMPREHEND! :laugh2:

Jokes on you, buddy. He said that in post #8. The post you made in which I quoted, was post #12. You made that reply AFTER he explained it.

Nice try.

And furthermore, who cares if he didn't make it clear in the original post. He made the point. And instead of reading what he posted, you glossed over it and tried calling him out. And failed. Its there for everyone to see.

Like I said, read, comprehend, then post.

Nothing funnier then someone trying to make fun of you and it turns out they are the ones who end up looking stupid!

This is what we call irony.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

Jokes on you, buddy. He said that in post #8. The post you made in which I quoted, was post #12. You made that reply AFTER he explained it.

**** try to UNDERSTAND!
He didn't say it in his original post which is WHEN I said that!
**** you are GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
I'll try to hold back callin you names but MY GOD YOU ARE ********!

And furthermore, who cares if he didn't make it clear in the original post.

Cause you NEED to make it CLEAR when your'e talkin about trading up dummy!
OTHERWISE he could say hypothetically, NO I WAS TALKIN ABOUT TRADING UP to pick #19 to get McFadden if he's still there, HENCE the reaosn you NEED to make it CLEAR when talkin about it, OK????????

He made the point. And instead of reading what he posted, you glossed over it and tried calling him out. And failed. Its there for everyone to see.

NO, you are just ********, I didnt' GLOSS OVER IT, I was repsonding to his post IN ORDER and was repsonding to his original post where he didnt' say it, MY GOD, take this advise, BETTER TO KEEP QUIET and have people assume you are ******** then to open your mouth and PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like I said, read, comprehend, then post.

SEE my advise above!

 

[Vintage]

**** try to UNDERSTAND!
He didn't say it in his original post which is WHEN I said that!
**** you are GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
I'll try to hold back callin you names but MY GOD YOU ARE ********!



Cause you NEED to make it CLEAR when your'e talkin about trading up dummy!
OTHERWISE he could say hypothetically, NO I WAS TALKIN ABOUT TRADING UP to pick #19 to get McFadden if he's still there, HENCE the reaosn you NEED to make it CLEAR when talkin about it, OK????????



NO, you are just ********, I didnt' GLOSS OVER IT, I was repsonding to his post IN ORDER and was repsonding to his original post where he didnt' say it, MY GOD, take this advise, BETTER TO KEEP QUIET and have people assume you are ******** then to open your mouth and PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!



SEE my advise above!

Look at post #8.

Look at post #12.

He said it BEFORE you mocked him with the value chart.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

Look at post #8.

Look at post #12.

He said it BEFORE you mocked him with the value chart.

ALL HE SAID was someone posted what the #6 pick got last year!
And then he said he didnt' want the #1 pick, but that was AFTER he said I need to look at a value chart, WHICH implied it to the previous post where he did NOT Clarify it not being the top pick, MY GOD, I'm done with YOU NOW, I'm sick of wasting my time PROVING you wrong over and over and over again when you just dont 'get it!
Don't take my advise, just keep proving to everyone you are ********, makes my job easier!