The worst thing about all this...

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Im starting to come around to your line of thinking. The one constant in these December chokes, these ballless rosters and these awful coaches is Jerry Jones.

I really dont want to believe this though, or else I have almost no reason to follow this team until Jones kicks the bucket.

What about Texas Stadium? In all these decembers we've had the same Home Stadium and same team name and same jerseys. Thankfully we will be in a new stadium next year. But same name and jerseys I believe. oh well... and best of all same Ol Jerruh!

 

[wileedog]

If I'm not mistaken, Parcells was onboard with the Henson deal. Hutch was signed before Parcells got here and Parcells got rid of him in a hurry. Vinny and Bledsoe were Parcells guys. But they were JAGs just as much as Quincy was.

The cupboard was bare when Parcells got here, but he quickly stocked it with his guys. They just didn't work at the QB position and when he finally did find someone, it halfway through his last year.

I've heard numerous reports that part of the deal when Bill signed on was that he would give Quincy and later Hutch a legitimate shot.

And Bill may or not have been on board with Henson (just like he may or may not have with TO), but I don;t think it would be a move he would have made had he had full autonomy. He certainly never had any confidence in him yanking him halfway through a meaningless Bears game.

Vinny and Bledsoe were always stopgaps, Romo was luck. But the first thing Bill did in Miami this year was go get a Pennington - another stopgap. Lay your bets right now that the next thing he will do in the year's draft is get a QB.

Jerry mucked up the QB situation here, but we lucked out that Romo came out of it (the one QB Jerry had nothing to do with), just too late to matter for Bill. But even Parcells himself after leaving was saying the one thing that always held the team back was finding a true franchise QB until Romo.

 

[Boysboy]

If I'm not mistaken, Parcells was onboard with the Henson deal. Hutch was signed before Parcells got here and Parcells got rid of him in a hurry. Vinny and Bledsoe were Parcells guys. But they were JAGs just as much as Quincy was.

The cupboard was bare when Parcells got here, but he quickly stocked it with his guys. They just didn't work at the QB position and when he finally did find someone, it halfway through his last year.

But like I was saying on the previous page-why didn't Tuna plug in Romo in '04 when our season was as good as lost midway through? He stubbornly stuck with Vinny T b/c we were "mathematically" alive. No-Romo wouldn't have done alot at all that year, but at least he would have gotten his feet wet. And who knows how better he would be now with more experience under his belt?

This was my beef with Parcells-I really liked his philosophies, but he stubbornly stuck to his long-time vets like Vinny, Bledsoe, and Meshawn a bit too long. Wade's dad made this same mistake when he coached the Saints in the 80's.

 

[Rack]

I am not being moronic, I am being serious.

We know Jerry is not going to sell the team, both of us know that.

You say that as long as Jerry owns the team, then there is no hope.

So what you are saying is that there is no hope at all for the Cowboys, we will continue to just lose and lose and lose.

So I am simply saying that if somebody cant handle that, then they need to find another team to root for. After all, why would you root for a team if you knew ahead of time had no hope of winning???

Now diehards like me and you will keep watching, but some fans are fair-weather fans and will not remain fans if the team continues to lose, those are the people I am referring to as needing to find another team.

Like I said, I am being very serious here.

Then that's very sad.

Parcells' defensive scheme was a real problem. I don't think the Cowboys could have won big with that outdated and unimaginative scheme.

But I do agree about the Jerry problem. Jerry Jones in the locker room, Jerry Jones making player personel decisions, Jerry Jones undercutting his coaches, Jerry Jones setting up an organization so that the head coach can be no more than a eunuch ... these are a source of chemistry problems.

Wade Phillips is the fourth castrado Cowboys coach. Switzer, Gailey, and Campo were the first three.

The main problem isn't that Jerry can't find the right castrado.

The main problem is that Jerry wants a castrado and doesn't see that castrado coaches simply aren't healthy for team chemistry.

The good thing about Parcells was that he was not a castrado. The bad thing about Parcells as a head coach was that the game had p***** him by.

The Patriots run the same scheme, and they won 3 superbowls this decade.

Although, yes I know, they cheated to do it. But still...

 

[Rack]

I've heard numerous reports that part of the deal when Bill signed on was that he would give Quincy and later Hutch a legitimate shot.

And Bill may or not have been on board with Henson (just like he may or may not have with TO), but I don;t think it would be a move he would have made had he had full autonomy. He certainly never had any confidence in him yanking him halfway through a meaningless Bears game.

Vinny and Bledsoe were always stopgaps, Romo was luck. But the first thing Bill did in Miami this year was go get a Pennington - another stopgap. Lay your bets right now that the next thing he will do in the year's draft is get a QB.

Jerry mucked up the QB situation here, but we lucked out that Romo came out of it (the one QB Jerry had nothing to do with), just too late to matter for Bill. But even Parcells himself after leaving was saying the one thing that always held the team back was finding a true franchise QB until Romo.

Also, I seriously doubt Parcells was "on board" for the Henson deal.


Maybe he wasn't AGAINST bringing him in, but I doubt Parcells thought it wise to give up a freakin' 3rd rounder for a guy who hadn't played football in 4 years to come in and play the toughest position in ALL sports. Parcells' style may have been a bit "old school" but he isn't a moron.

 

[Boysboy]

The Patriots run the same scheme, and they won 3 superbowls this decade.

Although, yes I know, they cheated to do it. But still...

The Pats run a Cover 2, albeit with a 3-4...this is the same D Indy and Tampa won Super Bowls with. The Bears made the Super Bowl with this same scheme.

 

[wileedog]

The good thing about Parcells was that he was not a castrado. The bad thing about Parcells as a head coach was that the game had p***** him by.

Tough to argue.

But the right move two years ago was for Jerry to step aside as GM, give the job to Parcells and let him hire the coach. Probably would have been Sparano. As an Owner Jerry would still be intimately involved, but his ego wouldn't allow that.

Bet you this team would be far better off right now.

 

[Boysboy]

Tough to argue.

But the right move two years ago was for Jerry to step aside as GM, give the job to Parcells and let him hire the coach. Probably would have been Sparano. As an Owner Jerry would still be intimately involved, but his ego wouldn't allow that.

Bet you this team would be far better off right now.

Well-AJ Smith's ego is far worse that Jerry's(which, of course, lead him to fire Marty and hire Norval)...look at the dividends it's turned out for the Chargers.

Like I said-numerous times this year, there were "Jerry for GM of the year" threads. You can't have it both ways.

 

[LenS]

It worked for the New York Yankees. After his early success with free agency in the 70's when Steinbrenner got the jump on everyone else (and bought the Oakland A's dynasty), his constant meddling left the Yankees steadily getting worse off with an empty farm system and losers on the field. Then George got himself suspended in the early 90's and his GM was able to rebuild without interference. By the time George's suspension was over, the Yankees were back as an elite team with a deep farm system again. And amazingly, George didn't really tinker with the team anymore. He growled a lot just to get some media attention, but he let his professionals run the team and take advantage of the Yankee's inherent financial advantages.

Jones needs to do the same. If he doesn't, he could throw away all he's built financially with the team. He's got a mighty expensive stadium to pay for now.

 

[ZeroClub]

The Patriots run the same scheme, and they won 3 superbowls this decade.

Although, yes I know, they cheated to do it. But still...

Parcells played it more basic and less imaginative. When the base defense failed, he had no answers.

It is a painful memory, so I hate to bring it up, but do you remember the Saints game?

 

[Boysboy]

Parcells played it more basic and less imaginative. When the base defense failed, he had no answers.

It is a painful memory, so I hate to bring it up, but do you remember the Saints game?

When you have Roy and Keith as our safeties, ANY DC would *cringe*.

We just didn't have the right personnel under Parcells, plain and simple.

 

[Rack]

Parcells played it more basic and less imaginative. When the base defense failed, he had no answers.

It is a painful memory, so I hate to bring it up, but do you remember the Saints game?

No, he didn't. The problem was the players were too busy crying about the scheme instead of buying into it and putting ALL their efforts into improving at their jobs.


Remember all that crying Spears did about he was being held back by the scheme? Sure, his STATS improved A LITTLE BIT, but he still sucks. It was never the scheme, it was the players.

 

[LenS]

Even before the big WR acquisition of 2007, the Patriots didn't run a normal Parcell's offense. With Brady and that OL (and some cheating *g*), the Patriots p***** a lot more than Parcells would.

 

[Rack]

Even before the big WR acquisition of 2007, the Patriots didn't run a normal Parcell's offense. With Brady and that OL (and some cheating *g*), the Patriots p***** a lot more than Parcells would.

Sorry, but historical facts prove you wrong.


He had Bledsoe (as a rookie and nowhere in Brady's league) as a rookie and p***** almost 700 times that season (at the time, an NFL record).


I find it funny now though, that you'd complain that Parcells didn't pass enough (and really, with the QBs we had and the defense we had, do you blame him for trying to run the ball more?), and now people are complaining that we don't run enough.


Edit: Why is P-A-S-S-E-D being blocked out? I can type PASS, but not put and ED on the end of it?

 

[ZeroClub]

It worked for the New York Yankees. After his early success with free agency in the 70's when Steinbrenner got the jump on everyone else (and bought the Oakland A's dynasty), his constant meddling left the Yankees steadily getting worse off with an empty farm system and losers on the field. Then George got himself suspended in the early 90's and his GM was able to rebuild without interference. By the time George's suspension was over, the Yankees were back as an elite team with a deep farm system again. And amazingly, George didn't really tinker with the team anymore. He growled a lot just to get some media attention, but he let his professionals run the team and take advantage of the Yankee's inherent financial advantages.

Jones needs to do the same. If he doesn't, he could throw away all he's built financially with the team. He's got a mighty expensive stadium to pay for now.

Funny you should bring this up.

I was trying to think of similar situations in pro football.

The best comparable would be Al Davis back when the Raiders were regular Super Bowl contenders. After him, I'm drawing blanks. George Halas, maybe?

Anyway, of all of the Super Bowl champions and contenders, not many followed Jerry's model.

 

[wileedog]

Parcells played it more basic and less imaginative. When the base defense failed, he had no answers.

It is a painful memory, so I hate to bring it up, but do you remember the Saints game?

Sure. I remember today's game too when Wade's much more imaginative defense let Philly convert numerous 3rd and longs, committed several more mind numbingly stupid penalties and got little or no pressure without a full blitz.

I also remember the end of last week's Baltimore game, which was far more embarrassing against a far worse offensive team.

This defense was nothing special last year under Wade, carried by the offense. They were horrible most of this year until Wade got "more involved", and then played several average to below average offenses (and a nicked up Giants team) and racked up some big numbers. Then they got a real offense today and were torched.

It was time for Parcells to step away from the sideline, I agree. But Wade's sack totals for a few weeks against bad teams don't make up for some out and out lousy performances the past two years by his defenses.