Think there's any possible way the Cowboys could trade up for Matt Leinart next year?

[TruBlueCowboy]

I'm assuming the Cowboys are going to make the Playoffs or at least come close this year. So we'd have to give up a lot.

I know it's against inferior competition so far, but he is just tearing it up this year.... again. Gotta believe that Leinart is about as close to a Troy Aikman type QB (consensus #1 pick) the Cowboys will see for a while.

Looking at some of the teams in the NFL that may challenge for that #1 draft pick.... Chicago (supposedly happy with Orton), Washington (already drafted their future QB), San Fran (already drafted), Cleveland (that's the team to watch out for!), Tennesse (Volek is the future although having the USC OC probably changes everything)...... not a lot of teams that need QBs in some of the more obvious teams that may end up 4-12. It would be a team like Denver or the Cards, that could tank at anytime, that we'd have to watch out for. Miami would definitely be another one to watch out for too, although they have gotten off to at least one win so far. :

Do you think the asking price would be too much? Do you think this team is getting to the point where it has enough depth that it can gamble like this with its draft picks? I'm so fed up with the baseball player projects, I'm ready for the Cowboys to blow it all on a bonafide high first rounder type at the position. Dallas could even sit him for a year via Carson Palmer or Daunte Culpepper style if Bledsoe proves he can hack it the whole year.

 

[jay cee]

I hope they don't trublu, but that's only because I think drafting is so iffy, that I hate the idea of using multiple picks on a player that may not pan out anyway.

That said, Leinart looks to be the real deal. I wouldn't cry at all if they did pull off a move like that.

I'm glad they did it, but I think San Fran was stupid to use the #1 pick on that Utah QB. If I was them, I would have taken one of the running backs, and hoped to get Leinart next year.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Interesting question TB. I don't know what to think about our QB position at this point--- I really don't. I don't know how Bledsoe is going to make out this year. Don't know the real potential of Henson or even Romo for that matter.

The asking price would be incredibly high and I'm quite frankly still scarred from the whole "Joey Galloway" fiasco. I think when you "have" to get a guy you're setting yourself up for some bigtime hurt.

This team isn't far from being a legit SB contender. Give the kids on defense some time to figure it out. And some consistent play out of QB and we're close. But we still lack quality depth at several positions and others are getting old. I would just as soon use our first three picks in next year's draft to shore up those potentially weak areas and let the draft "come to us" as opposed to forcing anything.

 

[dbair1967]

The Skins dont have their top-5 pick next yr, they traded it to denver in that ridiculous deal for Jason Campbell

sure looks like Denver is on its way to two top-5 picks, but knowing that bonehead Shanahan he'd pick somebody like Chris Leak or Charlie Whitehurst over Leinhart anyway

David

 

[jay cee]

The Skins dont have their top-5 pick next yr, they traded it to denver in that ridiculous deal for Jason Campbell

sure looks like Denver is on its way to two top-5 picks, but knowing that bonehead Shanahan he'd pick somebody like Chris Leak or Charlie Whitehurst over Leinhart anyway

David

Try not to let it show so much Dbair.

 

[dbair1967]

Try not to let it show so much Dbair.

let what show?



David

:skins: :skins: :skins:

 

[jay cee]

let what show?



David

:skins: :skins: :skins:

That Shanahan love.......

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

That Shanahan love.......

I think this is Shanahan's last year. His post Super Bowl personnel management looks like the Cowboys did before Jimmy and immediately after Jimmy, only he's been there the whole time.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

That Shanahan love.......

Oh yeah....that's always obvious.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If we make the playoffs that means we draft after pick #20. To move up from there to get Leinart would be costly. At least 2 #1's plus a player or later pick (3rd or 4th) I am guessing. If we knew for certain he was destined for greatness in the NFL that would be one thing. But knowing the track record of QB's taken that high makes trading up for him even more risky.

At this point I would be against making a move like that. If we become that desperate for a QB I would like to see us trade for a QB that has a proven track record in the NFL. That is easier said than done I realize. But with most of the pieces in place to make a super bowl run in the next few years, it would be a shame to risk so much for a college QB that didn't pan out.

 

[dbair1967]

That Shanahan love.......

just call em like I see em

David

 

[dbair1967]

If we make the playoffs that means we draft after pick #20. To move up from there to get Leinart would be costly. At least 2 #1's plus a player or later pick (3rd or 4th) I am guessing. If we knew for certain he was destined for greatness in the NFL that would be one thing. But knowing the track record of QB's taken that high makes trading up for him even more risky.

At this point I would be against making a move like that. If we become that desperate for a QB I would like to see us trade for a QB that has a proven track record in the NFL. That is easier said than done I realize. But with most of the pieces in place to make a super bowl run in the next few years, it would be a shame to risk so much for a college QB that didn't pan out.

agree 100%...and the cost would probably be even more than you say...look what the idiot Giants gave up in the Eli trade, and that was only a couple of spots

QB's just arnt worth that gamble anymore...not when you see Baltimore and Tampa winning super bowls with what they had, or even with New England and Tom Brady...Brady is a great QB, but he was a late rd find...using that high draft pick on a QB is just too risky nowadays, because it kills you on the cap (unlike pre cap days, where if a QB busted it wasnt such a big deal...it was just a player)..then factor in that there is rarely a Troy Aikman or John Elway calibar prospect at QB anyway, and the risk is really just too great

David

 

[ghst187]

interesting question....good for discussion.
Let's examine it more closely from the Cowboy's roster....if....
1) Davis and/or Pile continue to improve and solidify the secondary
2) Pettiti keeps improving and becomes a stud RT
3) Crayton keeps lighting it up with Price looking good also
4) Our DL gets better and better, we wouldn't even have roster room to add anyone on the DL, its our deepest and most talented position already
5) LB corps puts it together as a unit, Fujita and Burnett become starters, Ware is locked in, and Dat is still making tackles

If those come true and they are all very possible, some even likely....how do you rank our draft needs?
WR? we have more than we can play already, sure TG and KJ are old but a high draft pick WR will have to sit behind them and Crayton for a while, and Price is we resign him. Don't really see BP parting with TG or KJ until they decide to retire, which means they'll start until then.

LB? Fujita, Ware, Burnett, Dat, James, Singleton, and Thorton will be back, not an all star cast but they're going to get better and better, esp with Burnett getting back into action

RB? nope, more than we can play already
DB? FS is really the only position that isn't already manned by a stud. Davis could improve but really do you use a 1st round pick on a FS? Not unless its Ed Reed.

OL? Maybe, Flozell and LA are getting up there, but you typically expect a 1st round OL to start opening day and if we drafted one here, he wouldn't start at any time next year probably. We will need to add some depth here next draft though.

What does that leave? QB, backup and future....? Even if Bledsoe looks great all year, we still don't have a viable backup or future prospect. If Henson doesn't turn the corner soon we are in trouble for down the road. I think if you are thinking long-term and our current guys at FS, LB, and OL continue to get better and better, we don't really have a lot of pressing needs going into the draft next year. Also, Leinert looks to be one of the best QB prospects to come out in a while. He played in a pro-system and put up good stats, but most importantly, guy knows how to win consistently. I think he's lost like 1 game in two, going on 3, years now?
Franchise QBs don't just fall out of the sky, you pay a price for them. The Giants paid dearly for Eli, but if he keeps getting better he'll be well worth it. Imagine Indy without Payton, they are a crummy team, or GB without Favre. A franchise QB almost always immediately elevates a team and he's easily worth sacrificing a few players at other positions. I think Brady has well proven that also.
So even if Bledsoe looks great this year and next, and maybe even the year after that, we still have to come up with someone to take over at some point and a draftee will need a year or so to sit and learn.
Sure we'll have some needs going into next year's draft, but given the weight of importance on a good QB and potential franchise guy, is there a more glaring need than QB?
Hopefully, few teams will feel the need to trade up for a QB like this year also. But if there's a year and a player to pull the trigger on a deal like this, next draft and Leinert are it IMO. Sure, it'll cost us a few fun toys at other positions, but to have quality, consistent play guaranteed at the QB position for the next decade or so....I think its worth it.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Forget trading draft picks that high. It won't happen. And if it does, if ever, it has to be a player that you're really sure about. At the QB position, how many can you name that you were sure about that were drafted in the top 5? I think maybe one or two. I say give Henson time behind the scout team all year. Let him sit and watch Bledsoe, learn from him just like Brady did, and then make a decision next year. Bledsoe is signed to a three year deal and contrary to the rehashing that consistently occurs in the media, he's not that old. Have patience at the QB position - DH is the best "potential" we've had since Aikman. It will work itself out.

 

[Dawgs0916]

Theres so many awesome quarterbacks to choose from this year, don't let yourself think that Leinart will be the only stud. I would be JUST as happy or even happier with Omar Jacobs or Reggie Mcneal. And if we can't get either of those......Brady Quinn in 07'!!

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I agree with the notion of NOT moving up to take Leinart. Although I think we need a good young QB. I am extremely tired of this swinging door at the QB spot, as i am sure most of us are. That being said, risking everything for one player is not wise, look at the H. Walker trade we made. That built a dynasty for us and killed the vikings. I dont want to be the vikings. I would rather us see if we can work out a trade for one of our back up qbs and maybe a mid round pick for Rivers or brees. I just think the Chargers will be ready to get rid of one of them at the end of the year. Either one of those woudl be better than moving up to take Leinart. IMO.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

interesting question....good for discussion.
Let's examine it more closely from the Cowboy's roster....if....
1) Davis and/or Pile continue to improve and solidify the secondary
2) Pettiti keeps improving and becomes a stud RT
3) Crayton keeps lighting it up with Price looking good also
4) Our DL gets better and better, we wouldn't even have roster room to add anyone on the DL, its our deepest and most talented position already
5) LB corps puts it together as a unit, Fujita and Burnett become starters, Ware is locked in, and Dat is still making tackles

If those come true and they are all very possible, some even likely....how do you rank our draft needs?
WR? we have more than we can play already, sure TG and KJ are old but a high draft pick WR will have to sit behind them and Crayton for a while, and Price is we resign him. Don't really see BP parting with TG or KJ until they decide to retire, which means they'll start until then.

LB? Fujita, Ware, Burnett, Dat, James, Singleton, and Thorton will be back, not an all star cast but they're going to get better and better, esp with Burnett getting back into action

RB? nope, more than we can play already
DB? FS is really the only position that isn't already manned by a stud. Davis could improve but really do you use a 1st round pick on a FS? Not unless its Ed Reed.

OL? Maybe, Flozell and LA are getting up there, but you typically expect a 1st round OL to start opening day and if we drafted one here, he wouldn't start at any time next year probably. We will need to add some depth here next draft though.

What does that leave? QB, backup and future....? Even if Bledsoe looks great all year, we still don't have a viable backup or future prospect. If Henson doesn't turn the corner soon we are in trouble for down the road. I think if you are thinking long-term and our current guys at FS, LB, and OL continue to get better and better, we don't really have a lot of pressing needs going into the draft next year. Also, Leinert looks to be one of the best QB prospects to come out in a while. He played in a pro-system and put up good stats, but most importantly, guy knows how to win consistently. I think he's lost like 1 game in two, going on 3, years now?
Franchise QBs don't just fall out of the sky, you pay a price for them. The Giants paid dearly for Eli, but if he keeps getting better he'll be well worth it. Imagine Indy without Payton, they are a crummy team, or GB without Favre. A franchise QB almost always immediately elevates a team and he's easily worth sacrificing a few players at other positions. I think Brady has well proven that also.
So even if Bledsoe looks great this year and next, and maybe even the year after that, we still have to come up with someone to take over at some point and a draftee will need a year or so to sit and learn.
Sure we'll have some needs going into next year's draft, but given the weight of importance on a good QB and potential franchise guy, is there a more glaring need than QB?
Hopefully, few teams will feel the need to trade up for a QB like this year also. But if there's a year and a player to pull the trigger on a deal like this, next draft and Leinert are it IMO. Sure, it'll cost us a few fun toys at other positions, but to have quality, consistent play guaranteed at the QB position for the next decade or so....I think its worth it.

Offensive line is what scares me the most. Larry Allen and Marco Rivera's bodies could call it quits any day now. And who is going to replace players of their caliber? We don't have potential Flozells, Larrys or Marcos as backups. I would love to see that first round pick going on the offensive line next year. We need depth at LB, but the whole point in going to the 3-4 was that it's easier to find those oversized LBs in the lower rounds. I'd like to see the Cowboys take a chance on a franchise receiver type too, but I'd rather see them shore up the oline first.

 

[The Duke]

BP doesn't seem the type to gamble with picks to the extent needed to get Lienart. This year with 2 firsts would be the only way to move up that much. It would be a massacre to move up from above 20. That trade would go down like Ditka "marrying" Ricky Williams with that draft and worse.

With that being said, even though I think Henson just needs another year, I think with draft best player available or QB in round 1 or 2.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

interesting question....good for discussion.
Let's examine it more closely from the Cowboy's roster....if....
1) Davis and/or Pile continue to improve and solidify the secondary
2) Pettiti keeps improving and becomes a stud RT
3) Crayton keeps lighting it up with Price looking good also
4) Our DL gets better and better, we wouldn't even have roster room to add anyone on the DL, its our deepest and most talented position already
5) LB corps puts it together as a unit, Fujita and Burnett become starters, Ware is locked in, and Dat is still making tackles

If those come true and they are all very possible, some even likely....how do you rank our draft needs?
WR? we have more than we can play already, sure TG and KJ are old but a high draft pick WR will have to sit behind them and Crayton for a while, and Price is we resign him. Don't really see BP parting with TG or KJ until they decide to retire, which means they'll start until then.

LB? Fujita, Ware, Burnett, Dat, James, Singleton, and Thorton will be back, not an all star cast but they're going to get better and better, esp with Burnett getting back into action

RB? nope, more than we can play already
DB? FS is really the only position that isn't already manned by a stud. Davis could improve but really do you use a 1st round pick on a FS? Not unless its Ed Reed.

OL? Maybe, Flozell and LA are getting up there, but you typically expect a 1st round OL to start opening day and if we drafted one here, he wouldn't start at any time next year probably. We will need to add some depth here next draft though.

What does that leave? QB, backup and future....? Even if Bledsoe looks great all year, we still don't have a viable backup or future prospect. If Henson doesn't turn the corner soon we are in trouble for down the road. I think if you are thinking long-term and our current guys at FS, LB, and OL continue to get better and better, we don't really have a lot of pressing needs going into the draft next year. Also, Leinert looks to be one of the best QB prospects to come out in a while. He played in a pro-system and put up good stats, but most importantly, guy knows how to win consistently. I think he's lost like 1 game in two, going on 3, years now?
Franchise QBs don't just fall out of the sky, you pay a price for them. The Giants paid dearly for Eli, but if he keeps getting better he'll be well worth it. Imagine Indy without Payton, they are a crummy team, or GB without Favre. A franchise QB almost always immediately elevates a team and he's easily worth sacrificing a few players at other positions. I think Brady has well proven that also.
So even if Bledsoe looks great this year and next, and maybe even the year after that, we still have to come up with someone to take over at some point and a draftee will need a year or so to sit and learn.
Sure we'll have some needs going into next year's draft, but given the weight of importance on a good QB and potential franchise guy, is there a more glaring need than QB?
Hopefully, few teams will feel the need to trade up for a QB like this year also. But if there's a year and a player to pull the trigger on a deal like this, next draft and Leinert are it IMO. Sure, it'll cost us a few fun toys at other positions, but to have quality, consistent play guaranteed at the QB position for the next decade or so....I think its worth it.

You're giving me too many "ifs" and "maybe's" and you're assuming all of it is going to come up good.

What happens if Julius blows his knee out sometime this season? What if we lose one of our DT's to a major injury? Price is only signed for this year so our depth at WR isn't as great as you think it is. And I don't know about you but our ILB don't knock my socks off either. Kicker could be a position that we need to spend a high draft pick on too.

And God help us if Allen or Rivera go down with a major injury.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Offensive line is what scares me the most. Larry Allen and Marco Rivera's bodies could call it quits any day now. And who is going to replace players of their caliber? We don't have potential Flozells, Larrys or Marcos as backups. I would love to see that first round pick going on the offensive line next year. We need depth at LB, but the whole point in going to the 3-4 was that it's easier to find those oversized LBs in the lower rounds. I'd like to see the Cowboys take a chance on a franchise receiver type too, but I'd rather see them shore up the oline first.

Me too. I can't help but think we need to spend a top pick on an OL next draft.