This Game was lost early...I knew it than and more now !!!

[garyv]

Wade is the guy who didn't have the guts to go for it on fourth-and-less-than-a-yard at the Minnesota 30 in the first quarter. We had them on their heels and could have hurt their confidence. The best play to run here is a pitch to Felix Jones on the outside. I just couldn't believe we didn't go for it....thats when I knew we were going to get beat and outcoached.

 

[Doomsday101]

Wade is the guy who didn't have the guts to go for it on fourth-and-less-than-a-yard at the Minnesota 30 in the first quarter. We had them on their heels and could have hurt their confidence. The best play to run here is a pitch to Felix Jones on the outside. I just couldn't believe we didn't go for it....thats when I knew we were going to get beat and outcoached.

Oh please that is non sense, there was nothing wrong with trying to hit the FG. Had Dallas failed on the 4th down I'm sure the same lame ars people would be hollering why we did not go for the 3.

 

[brickman]

Oh please that is non sense, there was nothing wrong with trying to hit the FG. Had Dallas failed on the 4th down I'm sure the same lame ars people would be hollering why we did not go for the 3.

It would have helped if we had a kicker who was able to perform his duties and give us a chance. Suisham couldn't hit his mother in the *** if you gave him a 2 x 4.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I thought this play was a little overrated given the way the Offensive Line was totally dominated.

Since this was a 48 yard field goal attempt, believe Wade Phillips should have went for it but even if we pickup the 1st down, I still believe we would have lost.

 

[CowboyDan]

I thought this play was a little overrated given the way the Offensive Line was totally dominated.

Since this was a 48 yard field goal attempt, believe Wade Phillips should have went for it but even if we pickup the 1st down, I still believe we would have lost.

THIS.

 

[jimmy40]

We gave up 34 points.

 

[Doomsday101]

It would have helped if we had a kicker who was able to perform his duties and give us a chance. Suisham couldn't hit his mother in the *** if you gave him a 2 x 4.

I agree but this is who we had

 

[Hook'em#11]

Oh please that is non sense, there was nothing wrong with trying to hit the FG. Had Dallas failed on the 4th down I'm sure the same lame ars people would be hollering why we did not go for the 3.

Sorry Doomsday. I normally agree with ya bro.

Not in this case. Dallas has a kicker who was released from another team who missed countless kicks. Suish was averaging I think 44 yrds in his kicks? 48 yds was asking alot.

I would of much rather they go for it then kick the field goal. Normally, with a proven GOOD kicker back there? You take the points. Not with this kicker.

You mention the fact that if they went for it and were not successful, fans would complain about not kicking the FG. I personally don't think one logical fan in this forum would of been complaining. If they have watched the kickers this year.

Also, with that miss. Ball ain't on the 30 anymore, it's on about the 38 I believe? Not quite sure, but, even if they fail on the 4th and one? That is where the Vikepukes get the ball, and momentum. With the miss? They still get the ball, more yardage in their favor and momentum still.

You don't go for the kick, with the kicker Dallas has. You go for it.

And then? If they get the 1st down? What confidence that brings to the offense.

Something that was missing that whole ****ing game.

 

[aikemirv]

I think we should have gone for it but I am not going to bust on Wade for not.

That said, we did not LOSE this game 34-3, we lost this game 17-3 IMO, the rest was just the results of pressing and needing to score quickly.

2 FG's definitely change the way this game was played going down the stretch and we never put Romo in a lot of the positions he was in and it really changes our play calling from that of a 17-3 game

 

[jimmy40]

I think we should have gone for it but I am not going to bust on Wade for not.

That said, we did not LOSE this game 34-3, we lost this game 17-3 IMO, the rest was just the results of pressing and needing to score quickly.

2 FG's definitely change the way this game was played going down the stretch and we never put Romo in a lot of the positions he was in and it really changes our play calling from that of a 17-3 game

2 FG's would have changed the way the game was played down the stretch but I guess somehow wouldn't have changed the way the rest of the game was played. :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

 

[Doomsday101]

Sorry Doomsday. I normally agree with ya bro.

Not in this case. Dallas has a kicker who was released from another team who missed countless kicks. Suish was averaging I think 44 yrds in his kicks? 48 yds was asking alot.

I would of much rather they go for it then kick the field goal. Normally, with a proven GOOD kicker back there? You take the points. Not with this kicker.

You mention the fact that if they went for it and were not successful, fans would complain about not kicking the FG. I personally don't think one logical fan in this forum would of been complaining. If they have watched the kickers this year.

Also, with that miss. Ball ain't on the 30 anymore, it's on about the 38 I believe? Not quite sure, but, even if they fail on the 4th and one? That is where the Vikepukes get the ball, and momentum. With the miss? They still get the ball, more yardage in their favor and momentum still.

You don't go for the kick, with the kicker Dallas has. You go for it.

And then? If they get the 1st down? What confidence that brings to the offense.

Something that was missing that whole ****ing game.

Sorry I don't think there is a right or wrong in this situation. Could Dallas have gone for it sure I would not have argued the call even had we been stopped by the same token I had no issue with kicking a FG which was very makeable.

I see both sides but as a coach you go with a certain gut instinct. In this situation Wade wanted to come away with some points and choose to give the kicker the opportunity to make a makeable kick.

Was that the game as the OP said? Of course not it clearly did not help as it was a letdown not getting points but would have been just as much of a letdown if not more of a letdown being stopped on a 4th and 1

 

[aikemirv]

2 FG's would have changed the way the game was played down the stretch but I guess somehow wouldn't have changed the way the rest of the game was played. :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

It was 17-3 through the end of the 3rd quarter. If Suisham makes those 2 FG's the score would have been 17-9 through 3 qtrs (a 1 score game) and Dallas would have been in the game completely without going into desperation until late in the 4th quarter. If you don't think those early scores effect the way a game is played down the line then you have a logic problem!

 

[craig71]

Oh please that is non sense, there was nothing wrong with trying to hit the FG. Had Dallas failed on the 4th down I'm sure the same lame ars people would be hollering why we did not go for the 3.

In pre-game warmups they had determined that Suishams maximum range was 45 yards.Why do go for a field goal that it is out of your kickers range?

I don't know that going for on it 4th down would have made a difference in the final outcome but you never know.


Craig

 

[aikemirv]

Sorry I don't think there is a right or wrong in this situation. Could Dallas have gone for it sure I would not have argued the call even had we been stopped by the same token I had no issue with kicking a FG which was very makeable.

I see both sides but as a coach you go with a certain gut instinct. In this situation Wade wanted to come away with some points and choose to give the kicker the opportunity to make a makeable kick.

Was that the game as the OP said? Of course not it clearly did not help as it was a letdown not getting points but would have been just as much of a letdown if not more of a letdown being stopped on a 4th and 1

Another view from Wades perspective. It is 4th and 1 with 1:00 to go in the game and I have a FG from 49 to win it. Do I go with my kicker who I have not tested at all early in the game to win it for me or do I go for it and put it in Romos hands.

I would not have a clue what do do and I would not have a leg to stand on no matter what decision I made. But if I find out very early in the game if I can trust the guy, then come the 4th quarter I have a much easier decision to make!

 

[aikemirv]

In pre-game warmups they had determined that Suishams maximum range was 45 yards.Why do go for a field goal that it is out of your kickers range?

I don't know that going for on it 4th down would have made a difference in the final outcome but you never know.


Craig

He had the distance, I think he missed both by less than 6 feet - I know one was 2 ft.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I don't have a problem like many do about them not going for it on 4th and 1 from the standpoint that we have tried multiple times this year to go 4th and 1 and have missed it.

However The problem I DID have with it was the idea that it was reported that they had a range that was set for Suisham (sp?) in pre game and that FG was outside of his range and we already know he has had trouble with the skins and has missed some with us.

So I guess either go for the 4th and one or pooch punt it and pin them deep hoping for field position...but don't kick the FG when it is outside of an established comfort distance established in the pregame.

THAT was my problem with it. We can argue all day and night about whether we should or should not go for it on 4th and 1 and there are legit arguments for it and against it...but hard for me to make a legit argument for them to throw the FG kicker out there with his history this season and the coaches own feelings based on pregame results.

 

[craig71]

He had the distance, I think he missed both by less than 6 feet - I know one was 2 ft.

If he had been 5 yards closer it may have squeezed though the uprights.They determine a kickers range in pre-game for a reason,to determine when to kick and when not to.You can't just throw your pre-game evalution away on a whim,you have to stay the coarse.In my opinion that was a rookie HC mistake to go for a kick that your staff had determined was out of your kickers range.Another thing to consider is that field position is at a premium in the playoffs.With that in mind I'd rather see them go for it on 4th down or even pooch punt it than to give up those yards on a missed field goal.


Craig

 

[jimmy40]

It was 17-3 through the end of the 3rd quarter. If Suisham makes those 2 FG's the score would have been 17-9 through 3 qtrs (a 1 score game) and Dallas would have been in the game completely without going into desperation until late in the 4th quarter. If you don't think those early scores effect the way a game is played down the line then you have a logic problem!

prove that every play would have been the same through 3 qtrs if he makes those kicks. You have a reality problem.

 

[CowboyDan]

He had the distance, I think he missed both by less than 6 feet - I know one was 2 ft.

Bingo, distance was never a problem on those kicks.

 

[Doomsday101]

In pre-game warmups they had determined that Suishams maximum range was 45 yards.Why do go for a field goal that it is out of your kickers range?

I don't know that going for on it 4th down would have made a difference in the final outcome but you never know.


Craig

He had plenty of distance on the kick and just missed it wide left. So attempting the kick was not a bad call it may not have been the call you would have made but I some how doubt many would handle being 2nd guessed had they gone for it and failed. People would ask why didn't you take the points. Everything is easy to call after the fact. As I said I could understand both sides and was willing to live with the outcome of attempting the kick or going for it.