This is the kind of draft Jerry used to have back in the 90s

[cowboyed]

Oh, that's a great argument. Jerry is only "paid to make these decisions" because he owns the damn team. It doesn't make him any smarter than you or I. Even if you like the players, they were mostly all reaches. It's bad any way you slice it.

Those are woefully ignorant comments. Have you been an NFL professional for over 2 decades? I highly doubt it. You don't even know what went on in the war room and why Jerry made the final decisions he did based on the input of Stephen, Wade, select assistant coaches and most importantly the scouts.

The only thing you seem to excel in is negative posturing. How about seeing how these players pan out. They are only so called reaches if they fall short in developing.

 

[Woods]

Thank you.

You have to look at this draft and ask yourself if this team really got any better today. Then look at the Giants and Eagles drafts and ask yourself if they got better today. The answers are clear.

The Giants and Eagles also had 1st rounders.

If you go by Goose, guys like B Williams and Brewster went just where they were supposed to go (i.e., in Round 3).

Goose thought that Hamlin should have gone in the 4th (early) - we took him in the 5th.

D Smith at CB was projected as a 3rd/4th rounder. We got him in the 5th.

Frankly said, our drafting is MUCH improved over the past few years. I'm giving the scouts the benefit of the doubt and at least see these guys on the field before I say this draft is a fail.

 

[Les3]

A team should never make a draft pick for someone they deem to be a permanent "backup". You should always draft with the intention of that person potentially being a starter on your team. Does not mean that they start year one, just a starter someday.

 

[kowboyMarlon]

Name me ONE player that we passed on that would start for this team? Just one.

William Beatty OT from UCONN would have been a long Tern replacement for Flozell. He was Available @51 Also Sean Smith DB from Utah was also Available. We need to address long term issues at LG, S, ILB, LT, RT, DE...

I kinda liked the Duke Robinson Kid from Oklahoma, or Rashad Johnsom from Alabama at 69 or 75 in the draft... Hell I even liked the big tall johnson kid from Georgia Tech as a pass rush specialist if its true we plan to release ellis soon.

We could have taken a true NT at some point so theat we could move Ratliff to DE. Now we will almost certainly be forced to over spend to resign Marcus Spears because he is in the last year of his deal. maybe we counting on Hatcher or Bowen to be the long term Solutions at DE.

Its not about drafting players to start in 2009. Its about drafting for 2010 and beyound.

I am very disapointed in what we have done. I liked the idea yesterday of trading down from 51 to 75 and gainning the extra pick. I didn't see much difference between the caliber of player in either spot. The OL from Ball State is a worse pick that what else we could have done instead.

Is the Mcgge Drafting an indictment on ROMO? I think we could have waited until RD. 5 and Taken Rhett Bomar as a developemental Guy. There seems to be no Rhyme or Reason to what we are Doing.

I do Like the LB from Western Illinois. 37 inch VJ 4.5 spped @ 241 seems explosive and a long term solution to Keith Brooking.

 

[jackrussell]

Oh, that's a great argument. Jerry is only "paid to make these decisions" because he owns the damn team. It doesn't make him any smarter than you or I. Even if you like the players, they were mostly all reaches. It's bad any way you slice it.

Yeah...I think it does.

 

[genghiskhan]

Started is such a broad term. Felix Jones didn't "start" but he made a significant contribution to the offense when he played. Could these players, either through an injury or just breaking into the rotation, have made a significant contribution this year? Hell yes. Could they be starters in 2010? Hell yes. These aren't projects. These are good players who could use a little grooming, but I'd feel comfortable with any of those guys stepping in this year.

I don't know if you can say the same about anyone we picked. We'll be lucky if one of them sees the field this year. This is a typical late 90's Jerry draft of a bunch of no names that never turn into anything.

Great thread.

Very well said.

 

[Ender]

I think most of yall are over reacting because no one knows how these players will actually trn out. Its a lot players drafted late round that turn out to be super stars. Just wait an

 

[TheCount]

I don't think it was a great or even good draft, but if we can get a few long term contributers, I'd consider it a success.

Unlike last year, we simply weren't in a position to make a big splash... I would have preferred 5-6 picks of guys we really wanted than the blanket approach, but it is what it is.

 

[SDogo]

Thank you.

You have to look at this draft and ask yourself if this team really got any better today. Then look at the Giants and Eagles drafts and ask yourself if they got better today. The answers are clear.

I disagree, they did get better

 

[Shinywalrus]

Thank you.

You have to look at this draft and ask yourself if this team really got any better today. Then look at the Giants and Eagles drafts and ask yourself if they got better today. The answers are clear.

The primary reason your argument is so embarassing is exactly that: you think the answers are clear. The fact that you think that is probably the best possible evidence that you lack an understanding of player scouting and development.

What if Jason Williams steps into a nickel role in camp and turns out to be absolutely fabulous, utilizing his experience in a stack defense shedding offensive linemen and moving sideline to sideline, ultimately winning the WILB spot outright after 7 or 8 games?

What if Hamlin and Hamlin are able to quickly get on the same page?

What happens when our average kick return goes up by 3-4 yards because of better special teams?

What happens when our average kick coverage goes down by 5-6 yards because of touchbacks?

None of those things might happen, and some of the might...and more.

But since you think it's all "clear", it might be time to call it a day on the draft stuff and get back to Madden, because it seems evident that's the world your football thinking operates in.

 

[SDogo]

The primary reason your argument is so embarassing is exactly that: you think the answers are clear. The fact that you think that is probably the best possible evidence that you lack an understanding of player scouting and development.

What if Jason Williams steps into a nickel role in camp and turns out to be absolutely fabulous, utilizing his experience in a stack defense shedding offensive linemen and moving sideline to sideline, ultimately winning the WILB spot outright after 7 or 8 games?

What if Hamlin and Hamlin are able to quickly get on the same page?

What happens when our average kick return goes up by 3-4 yards because of better special teams?

What happens when our average kick coverage goes down by 5-6 yards because of touchbacks?

None of those things might happen, and some of the might...and more.

But since you think it's all "clear", it might be time to call it a day on the draft stuff and get back to Madden, because it seems evident that's the world your football thinking operates in.

The truth has been spoken.

Thank you

 

[big dog cowboy]

William Beatty OT from UCONN would have been a long Tern replacement for Flozell. He was Available @51

I liked the idea yesterday of trading down from 51 to 75 and gainning the extra pick. I didn't see much difference between the caliber of player in either spot.

I'm not following the logic.

 

[CowboyWay]

I heard a rumor that our entire scouting dept came down with a stomach bug friday night and were unable to come into the war room to help with the draft, so Jerry has been doing it all himself.

Not sure if its true or not, but its what I heard.

 

[RedRaiderCowboysFan]

The truth has been spoken.

Thank you

Just because YOU agree with it doesnt make it the truth. Your being a hypocrit criticizing people for saying this draft doesnt appear to be any good because they might not have heard of these players and dont know much about them. Your not a scout, and you dont know anything about these players, so you dont know that they will be good and make the team any better. We can all hope they turn out to be good players, but your logic in criticizing someone who doesnt agree is flawed. The only truth is nobody knows how anybodys draft class will turn out.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Just because YOU agree with it doesnt make it the truth. Your being a hypocrit criticizing people or saying this draft doesnt appear to be any good because they might not have heard of these players and dont know much about them. Your not a scout, and you dont know anything about these players, so you dont know that they will be good and make the team any better. We can all hope they turn out to be good players, but your logic in criticizing is flawed. The only truth is nobody knows how anybodys draft class will turn out.

I know, but I'm not tellin!

 

[tyke1doe]

I think most of yall are over reacting because no one knows how these players will actually trn out. Its a lot players drafted late round that turn out to be super stars. Just wait an

Ratliff says hello.

I think posters get enamored with the "name" players and conclude anyone they've not heard of are scrubs.

Second, teams are made not by superstars (who absorb too much in the way of salary cap), but role players who may or may not be starters but who can definitely contribute.

We've got some beauties in the mid and later rounds. Canty, Ratliff, Barber, Choice, Scandrick, Folk, etc. And any and all of those guys either have started or can start or will start in the future.

I simply can't freak out after Draft day. It remains to be seen what these guys do. And some of the same teams being praised now for their drafts will discover in the future that they drafted a bunch of named dudes. Meanwhile, teams getting "F's" now will have drafted guys who make significant contributions.

Get back to me in two to three years for a final grade on this draft class.

 

[davey999]

Ratliff says hello.

I think posters get enamored with the "name" players and conclude anyone they've not heard of are scrubs.

Second, teams are made not by superstars (who absorb too much in the way of salary cap), but role players who may or may not be starters but who can definitely contribute.

We've got some beauties in the mid and later rounds. Canty, Ratliff, Barber, Choice, Scandrick, Folk, etc. And any and all of those guys either have started or can start or will start in the future.

I simply can't freak out after Draft day. It remains to be seen what these guys do. And some of the same teams being praised now for their drafts will discover in the future that they drafted a bunch of named dudes. Meanwhile, teams getting "F's" now will have drafted guys who make significant contributions.

Get back to me in two to three years for a final grade on this draft class.

You would figure with all this great drafting recently that we'd be able to win a playoff game? Maybe not.

 

[SDogo]

Just because YOU agree with it doesnt make it the truth. Your being a hypocrit criticizing people for saying this draft doesnt appear to be any good because they might not have heard of these players and dont know much about them. Your not a scout, and you dont know anything about these players, so you dont know that they will be good and make the team any better. We can all hope they turn out to be good players, but your logic in criticizing someone who doesnt agree is flawed. The only truth is nobody knows how anybodys draft class will turn out.

Wow, don't look up. The point being made might hit you in the face.

 

[cobra]

Uhh... we don't have any holes.

Your stupid bull**** about being a 9-7 teams means we have to have holes makes me wonder if you watched the team last year.

We lost a frigging starting QB for part of the season, and we had a **** backup. That problem is solved. And it looks like we might have a 3rd stringer being groomed now too.

We lost our #1 RB for parts of the season, and we lost our Rookie Phenom RB for most of the season.

We had injuries everywhere.

But that was not our biggest problem. Chemistry was. And we solved that.

We have very, very few holes. Nothing that could be fixed in this draft.

 

[Monster Heel]

Entirely too much homerism and "all is well". This is a questionable draft AT BEST.