This is the kind of draft Jerry used to have back in the 90s

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InmanRoshi;2750479 said:
What exactly do you think he's doing in his office at the Ranch?
:rolleyes:

I heard him on 103 a couple of months ago, and he's not scouting players for us. Good grief.

And how is Belichick drafting Ron Brace because Wilfork will leave so much different than drafting OLBs because Ellis is on his way out?

Finally, Sherman Williams and Kendall Watkins failed not because of any special teams philosophy, but because they were crappy players. Are you claiming to know that the people we drafted can't play?
 

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I don't get the complaints.

We got a guard to take over for Kosier.

We got a couple of safeties.

We got a corner.

We got an ILB to replace Burnett.

We got some OLB depth to replace Ellis.

We got a young QB to groom as Romo's successor.

We used some of our picks to secure an impact WR.

What else should we have done this draft?
 

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DaBoys4Life;2750490 said:
I honestly don't see how you can try to justify our inept season last year when the Pats lost brady for the whole season and still were able to go 11-5. But whatever.

Because they had a capable backup, and we did not. That problem is fixed.

We also lost Barber, Jones, our starting guard, etc.

We also had chemistry problems that Pats didn't.

Those things are easily 3-4 wins that makes us a 12 or 13 game winning team.

You hyperbolic reactionaries are acting as if we have a roster on par with Detroit's that had 14 glaring holes in the starting lineup. And that's just bull****.

There are only 2-3 players we could have drafted this year that would start for us. And they weren't there when we drafted.
 

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Pappa Cheeto;2750501 said:
I don't get the complaints.

We got a guard to take over for Kosier.

We got a couple of safeties.

We got a corner.

We got an ILB to replace Burnett.

We got some OLB depth to replace Ellis.

We got a young QB to groom as Romo's successor.

We used some of our picks to secure an impact WR.

What else should we have done this draft?

Yeah I like this year's draft personally.
 

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5Stars;2750477 said:
:laugh2:


And you're another one!

Now I know why you have 69 posts...

Because I have more going on in my life then to spend all day on here seeing what people like you post about how you think every year the Cowboys will win the Super Bowl because they are your favorite team. If that was the case, then there would be 32 Super Bowl champs every year to accomodate everyone like you thinking their favorite team will win it all.
 

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InmanRoshi;2750488 said:
I guess the philosophy of "Hey, lets just take a muligan on an entire year's draft down the toilet .. there will be others" sounds like a judicious use of a fininite amount of resources (draft picks), but I don't see much wisdom in it

Here's a crazy, wacky idea ... how about drafting solid starting caliber talents this year. Then do it again next year. Then do it again the year after that.


:laugh2:


Crazy, wacky idea is right!

Yeah, draft starting caliber player in the 5th, 6th, 7th rounds. That's the ticket!
 

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Trendnet;2750486 said:
You're right...

if they were drafted by the Giants or Eagles they would be good players.

But since they were drafted by the Cowboys, they suck.

You're absolutely 100% correct, the Cowboys are the worse team in the league. They should just give up on the season already and all those players should not even bother signing their contracts because they are terrible[/quo

Being drafted by any NFL team doesnt mean they will be great NFL players, Cowboys, Eagles, Giants or whoever. I never said they were the worst team in the league or anything that all of the players suck, but im not naive to think whoever this team drafts will automatically become great players. Just because its the Cowboys doesnt mean they will win the Super Bowl this coming season. I hope your not like those who thinks whoever is drafted on the Cowboys will make them great players. Nobody knows how any draft will turn out until years laters, so neither you or anybody else can say who will be great, good, or terrible. If people knew who would be great before hand, they would probably be the wealthiest person in the world for being able to predict the future.
 

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InmanRoshi;2750488 said:
I guess the philosophy of "Hey, lets just take a muligan on an entire year's draft down the toilet .. there will be others" sounds like a judicious use of a fininite amount of resources (draft picks), but I don't see much wisdom in it

Here's a crazy, wacky idea ... how about drafting solid starting caliber talents this year. Then do it again next year. Then do it again the year after that.
If only there were some starting caliber talents in this year's draft.
 

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As I watch the Colts select a kicker, less than a round after I watched the Pats take a long-snapper and after both team drafted situational rushers and defenders with no immediate capacity to compete for starting time, I am a little less concerned with the comparisons to the 90s drafts.

Look, drafts fail because teams pick players that don't work for the team or system, players that the team isn't in a position to develop or, sometimes, players that lack the athletic ability to succeed. The idea that our search for players who can help us in very specific ways, in addition to players who will provide immediate depth, is somehow going to fail because that's what we did 15 years ago is just giving way too much credence to only one similarity between them.

Every player is different, every coaching staff is different, every team is different. Give it some time.

Right now, the only thing we can do is assess, loosely, whether we made the picks we made at good points.

Popular opinion would say we reached on Butler, perhaps. The rest we seemed to get good value on...so the position selection seems to be rankling people, and maybe the specific players selected...but the rancor seems a little surprising.

For me, the only thing that bothered me was not trading up for Maualuga, but maybe the price was too high or we liked Williams fit at WILB for our first pick.
 

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RedRaiderCowboysFan;2750511 said:
Because I have more going on in my life then to spend all day on here seeing what people like you post about how you think every year the Cowboys will win the Super Bowl because they are your favorite team. If that was the case, then there would be 32 Super Bowl champs every year to accomodate everyone like you thinking their favorite team will win it all.


:laugh2:


Well, then by all means, carry on with your life!
 

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SkinsandTerps;2750604 said:
Well I see that 5 Stars hasnt changed at all during the offseason.

:D


I love you too, bro!


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cobra;2750504 said:
Because they had a capable backup, and we did not. That problem is fixed.

We also lost Barber, Jones, our starting guard, etc.

We also had chemistry problems that Pats didn't.

Those things are easily 3-4 wins that makes us a 12 or 13 game winning team.

You hyperbolic reactionaries are acting as if we have a roster on par with Detroit's that had 14 glaring holes in the starting lineup. And that's just bull****.

There are only 2-3 players we could have drafted this year that would start for us. And they weren't there when we drafted.

Don't look now, but Detroit's No. 2 WR is now our No.1...
 

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L-O-Jete;2750691 said:
Don't look now, but Detroit's No. 2 WR is now our No.1...

Yeah. As he would be in on half the teams in this league.

Roy Williams is a pro bowl caliber WR. He never got going last year because he came in mid-season, learned on the fly, and had to line up opposite a guy who cried about getting the ball. Oh yeah, he also had to deal with Brad Johnson as a QB and the rest of the issues with our offense.

If the worst thing I have to worry about is the ability of our pass-catchers, then I'm a happy, happy fan.

I can win a Super Bowl with Roy Williams, Witten, Austin, Crayton, Bennett, Hurd, Manuel Johnson, and Felix Jones catching Romo's passes.
 

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cobra;2750280 said:
Uhh... we don't have any holes.

Your stupid bull**** about being a 9-7 teams means we have to have holes makes me wonder if you watched the team last year.

We lost a frigging starting QB for part of the season, and we had a **** backup. That problem is solved. And it looks like we might have a 3rd stringer being groomed now too.

We lost our #1 RB for parts of the season, and we lost our Rookie Phenom RB for most of the season.

We had injuries everywhere.

But that was not our biggest problem. Chemistry was. And we solved that.

We have very, very few holes. Nothing that could be fixed in this draft.

"We have no holes" says the fan of a 9-7 team.

It's like Big Bill says - you are what your record says you are. This is a 9-7 team that hasn't gotten past the first round in over a decade. No holes? Spare me.

The most glaring need this team has is the offensive line and they spend ONE pick on it. ONE pick that was a complete reach. But we get three linebackers. Beautiful.
 

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This place will be unbearable for days. Always people who sit on their chairs at home and know more than the experts. Use your illusion is an example.
 

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Bungarian;2751494 said:
This place will be unbearable for days. Always people who sit on their chairs at home and know more than the experts. Use your illusion is an example.

If the constant complainers weren't right about this team so much, maybe they'd stop complaining.
 

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5Stars;2750520 said:
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Crazy, wacky idea is right!

Yeah, draft starting caliber player in the 5th, 6th, 7th rounds. That's the ticket!

5th, 6th or 7th rounds? Please, that would be a pipe dream. We're admittedly looking for role players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Some are ready to throw a ticker tape parade for Jerry because he found a good nickel back in the 6th round last year. If he actually found a good every day starter in Day 2, we would probably try to put him up on Mt Rushmore. He hasnt done it without Parcells in a decade, so the shock would probably be understandable.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2750499 said:
Finally, Sherman Williams and Kendall Watkins failed not because of any special teams philosophy, but because they were crappy players. Are you claiming to know that the people we drafted can't play?

Its not a big shock they were crappy players ... everyone knew they were crappy one dimensional players when they were drafted, which is why everyone else had them projected as 5th rounders. Jerry decided he needed a role blocking TE and Kendall Watkins best fit the bill so Jerry used a second rounder to fill him. That's the kind of stupidity and outcome you can expect when you use early draft picks on "immediate role" players ... which again, Jerry swore he would never do again. He's even admitted it was stupid.
 
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