This is what happens when you don't build your team from the trenches out

[Nova]

This team has ignored the offensive and to a lesser degree the defensive line for years. You know it and I know it.

Yeah. For years they've done a pitiful job finding offensive lineman and now they're trying to compensate for it. They aren't neglecting it now and I think they're on the right track. We just have to be patient.

BTW, since 2002, Dallas has 3 more offensive line picks than NE (17 vs 14). And if I counted correctly, we haven't had many more picks than them and overall we draft lineman at a higher percentage then NE as well.

New England has only spent 3 picks on OL in the 3rd round or better.

Dallas has spent 7 on OL 3rd round or better.

I'll admit we could have done a better job and drafted more than that, but the biggest reason our OL sucks is that we didn't hit on the lineman we've drafted in the past-- not because of our commitment.

Edit: Also, if the trend doesn't continue, I'll probably be back on to bashing the organization for lack of effort. But right now it seems like they're making the right moves. We're just trying to dig ourselves out of a hole and it's going to be a tough go.

 

[tantrix1969]

The mighty Seahawks traded a first round pick and gave 67 million much of it guaranteed for a malcontent slot receiver with a history of drug problems and a guy that attacked his position coach. They used their second round pick on a malcontent running back with injury issues. A few years back they paid Sid rice huge money.

The don't have a first rounder on their dline unless you count Bruce Irvin who is a one way go rush linebacker. They used the sixth pick on a left tackle but their right guard is a seventh rounder. Their right tackle was a waiver wire guy. Their left guard is a guy the Raiders jags and browns decided they did not need anymore.

Nobody screeches about platitudes regarding about how the Seahawks are built. Those guys play hard, they are super physical, they don't get hurt, the keep the same schemes and have continuity.
Guys like Bernie livings Ratliff and used to be hatcher don't help you if they are always hurt. Just play and keep durable tough guys with a few stars and we will be fine.

could be they are just better at scouting and developing oline/dline players

 

[Zordon]

..when you don't build your team from the trenches out. One or two injuries to starters and you end up with positions of weakness instead of strength. Both the offensive and defensive lines will have rookies, free agents and cast offs playing on opening day. I still think we can win with this lineup, but one or two more injuries and it'll be over. Just watch the pass plays when Romo goes back and has to do some magic becaue the play broke down because of pressure. Just watch the DL not get pressure on the opposing QB who sits back there with seemingly all day to make a play. There's only 1 person to blame for this predicament but unfortunately he'll never take the blame for it.

Wow first @BrAinPaiNt now you?

Everybody is finding their inner "realist" today.

I'll never forget this day.

 

[Rockport]

Wow first @BrAinPaiNt now you?

Everybody is finding their inner "realist" today.

I'll never forget this day.

I've been questioning how the Cowboys address the offensive and defensive lines for at least 3 years now.

 

[Ken]

Green Bay, New England and Pittsburgh to name a few.

Greenbay can't run the ball and Rogers got sacked waaaay more than romo did last year. Pittsburge can't pass protect and haven't exactly lit the world on fire in the run game. I'll give you New England as a good OL but as someone pointed out, they haven't invested what you think they have invested in it.

 

[Rockport]

Greenbay can't run the ball and Rogers got sacked waaaay more than romo did last year. Pittsburge can't pass protect and haven't exactly lit the world on fire in the run game. I'll give you New England as a good OL but as someone pointed out, they haven't invested what you think they have invested in it.

Cowboys have neglected the lines for several years now. Especially the offensive line. Everyone knows it.

 

[superpunk]

This is what happens when you have several injuries. i.e. the Bills invested heavily at QB this offseason, and still find themselves shorthanded.

This is what happens when you start terrible threads.

Meth. Not even once.

 

[TwoDeep3]

My point was only that in the salary-cap age every team is necessarily going to have thin spots in the roster vulnerable to multiple injuries.

But name me five teams - which is 16 percent of the league - that has built a defense from the cornerback position instead of the defensive line position.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Maybe what needs to happen is all the people who do not wish to discuss this, leave the thread. I think that's what I'm told when a subject comes up and I see it as a Jerry thing.

 

[superpunk]

But name me five teams - which is 16 percent of the league - that has built a defense from the cornerback position instead of the defensive line position.

I'll take completely unquantifiable arbitrary distinctions for a kabillion, Alex.

 

[Rockport]

This is what happens when you have several injuries. i.e. the Bills invested heavily at QB this offseason, and still find themselves shorthanded.

This is what happens when you start terrible threads.

Meth. Not even once.

Nice contribution. Quit complaining and go away then if it's a terrible thread.

 

[5Stars]

I'll take completely unquantifiable arbitrary distinctions for a kabillion, Alex.

lmao


(stupid cowboy fans)

 

[Hoov]

Cowboys have neglected the lines for several years now. Especially the offensive line. Everyone knows it.

They did use their 2011 and 2013 1st round picks on an O Lineman.

I guess They could have used that 2010 1st round pick on a lineman too instead of wasting it on a WR

 

[onlyonenow]

Yeah. For years they've done a pitiful job finding offensive lineman and now they're trying to compensate for it. They aren't neglecting it now and I think they're on the right track. We just have to be patient.

BTW, since 2002, Dallas has 3 more offensive line picks than NE (17 vs 14). And if I counted correctly, we haven't had many more picks than them and overall we draft lineman at a higher percentage then NE as well.

New England has only spent 3 picks on OL in the 3rd round or better.

Dallas has spent 7 on OL 3rd round or better.

I'll admit we could have done a better job and drafted more than that, but the biggest reason our OL sucks is that we didn't hit on the lineman we've drafted in the past-- not because of our commitment.

Edit: Also, if the trend doesn't continue, I'll probably be back on to bashing the organization for lack of effort. But right now it seems like they're making the right moves. We're just trying to dig ourselves out of a hole and it's going to be a tough go.

you might want to also look at where the Pats picked most of their linemen. Usually a round higher then we did. We did not value O linemen like other teams did and use 1st and 2nd rd picks - until 2011 Jerry Jones NEVER used a first round pick on a O lineman. That statement alone says neglect or at the least undervalue.

But the primary reason is clear- we have been LOUSY at evaluating and developing O linemen. Maybe the worm has finally turned but you know we still might only have 3starters on our line that we drafted. Leary was a UDFA. Meanwhile our 4th rd pick Arkin looks like a career backup at best. Our two CERTAIN starters are both 1st rd picks. Free was 4th round but his career is not exactly one to boast about is it?

All this begs the question: how do the boys evaluate O line prospects that are not 1st or 2nd rd picks?

 

[texbumthelife]

If you have two starters go down you going to be thin at any position. It doesn't matter how well you draft, how lucky you get or if there is a salary cap. No team has the depth to fight off that sort of injury hit.

 

[superpunk]

Nice contribution. Quit complaining and go away then if it's a terrible thread.

Or you could just stop starting such mind-numbingly inane threads?

We've lost two DTs. Teams typically carry 4-5 if they are a 4-3 club. Here's the part where you failed to think, and simply disconnected your fingers from your brain and started typing. That kind of hit would hurt any team in the league, regardless of whether or not they have "invested heavily in the defensive line", or built from the "inside out", or whatever devoid-of-actual-thought nonsense you want to trot out. Guess what? If Claiborne and Carr/Scandrick go down, we will suddenly be hurting at CB. Is this because we didn't "invest heavily at DB" or didn't build from the "outside in"? No, it's because if you start taking injury hits to a team with limited roster spots - guess what big boy - you're gonna have issues.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This team has ignored the offensive and to a lesser degree the defensive line for years. You know it and I know it.

You keep on getting presented with examples of draft picks and FA and you keep repeating the meme. The Cowboys have never stopped drafting acquiring OL they just misevaluated badly in the Parcells and Phillips era.

 

[5Stars]

You keep on getting presented with examples of draft picks and FA and you keep repeating the meme. The Cowboys have never stopped drafting acquiring OL they just misevaluated badly in the Parcells and Phillips era.

But, two years in this era, they got some good young strong dudes. New ideas working...

 

[jobberone]

*twerk Miley twerk*

Hey!!! I actually got this one. I learned what a twerk was two days ago.

I am so on top of things.

Now I understand why older people don't understand young people. When they said that they didn't mean they just didn't understand what's in their heads. They mostly meant they didn't understand a damn thing they were saying!

 

[big dog cowboy]

I still think we can win with this lineup, but one or two more injuries and it'll be over.

For a second I thought this was going to be another one of those "The Sky Is Falling" threads.