This is why I believe Kiffin will be back

[DFWJC]

I think our problems have much more to do with personnel then coaching.

Rob Ryan's defenses were arguably slightly worse then Kiffin's was this year. People act like the defensive problems suddenly sprung out of nowhere.

Rob had three years and failed to significantly improve the defense. I would expect Kiffin to get some time to rebuild.

CLEARLY this

I think by late in the New Orleans game we only had THREE projected starters playing.

It's like Alabama playing with UAB's players and everyone expecting them to still to beat LSU like Alabama.

 

[DejectedFan1996]

Can someone bring me up to speed on Marinelli's allegiance to Kiffin? Why would he leave if Kiffin is fired?

 

[Fredd]

IMO, Kiffin's defense is predicated on a pass rush. We really haven't had much push from the DL at times. A strong pass rush, and the DB's look A LOT better...when the pre-season started, we were looking at Ware, Ratliff, Hatcher and Spencer as our starting DL with some nice back-ups to spell them...if we had those original 4 healthy for the season, then there is A LOT more pressure applied and we likely have better results from our defense....all of the changes to the new system were not helped by having a lack of talent in the key position of DL. We have the DB's and LB's for the most part, but as soon as the wheels fell off of the DL train, then the QB's are able to apply more pressure to our defense (not the other way around)...if nothing else, Kiffin stays and they work to find the correct personnel for the DL to get to the QB

 

[Common Sense]

What about if a team hires Lovie? Wonder who he chooses between Kiffin and Lovie

It would be awesome to bring Lovie on as a defensive coach/consultant/something if he doesn't get a HC gig for whatever reason. Or even make Lovie DC and let Kiffin stay in the booth under another title.

 

[bosley88]

Lovie is sitting on the couch right now???
I think he will get a HC gig Some coaches will be fired

 

[Vinnie2u]

I've given up in speculating what Jerry is going to do.. He's predictably unpredictable..

 

[mahoneybill]

I don't know that Kiffin will be back, but I could see it. From what I've read he's only on a one-year contract, so he may only be here for the 4-3 transition with Marinelli slotted to take over afterward.

That said, there is a lot of cawing about how outdated Kiffin's system is or whatever, but Kiffin is not a dummy - guaranteed that with a few spots on the roster rotated, this defense as it is now gets a ton better.

I think Marinelli will be DC one day. That could even happen next year, with him moving up, and Kiffin retained as a
consultant. Stranger things have happened.

 

[Kristen82]

I think Marinelli will be DC one day. That could even happen next year, with him moving up, and Kiffin retained as a
consultant. Stranger things have happened.

I actually have a spare freezer they can use...

 

[VThokie7]

2 words: Marinelli & Loyalty. Let me start by saying, I AM a huge Marinelli supporter, I am NOT a Kiffin supporter, but stay with me for a second. Marinelli is the most important coach on the defensive staff and he proved his loyalty last year when he refused to take over after Lovie was fired. I think you could see that again.

Think about our current DL situation for this year and more importantly the future. Hatcher is probably gone next year, we can't afford him and he always says weird things in his interviews like "I hope I can play in a similar system next year." Ware is on the decline, and we have no idea about Crawford or Bass. Selvie will be a nice rotational guy as will Nevis.

We are going to have to overhaul this DL in the off-season anyway we can. There is no person in the NFL better for the job then Marinelli. I don't see him staying if Jerry fires Kiffin. Were between a rock and a hard place with this situation. This offseason there is nothing more important position wise then the DL. Were going to lose a massive amount of pass rush when Hatch and Spence walk added with Ware declining. We need Marinelli next year so bad that I would give him a raise. Go Cowboys

Marinelli decided not to return as defensive coordinator under a new coach. He never refused to take over after Lovie was fired. But I do agree if Kiffin were to be canned we aren't keeping Marinelli. Pretty sure he could be a defensive coordinator pretty easily elsewhere.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The thing is I don't know if anyone would hire Kiffin if he were let go.

He might be ready to step away from the game.

 

[BAT]

I honestly dont see what the big deal is about Marinelli. What has he done thats so magical? Selvie has played well and Hatcher is playing as expected but there is nothing else thats impressive. Defense is so poor I dont see how any coach should be getting praise. I see all the hate for JG despite only being here four years he is just a couple games over .500. over the same amount of games Marinelli was about 30 games UNDER .500, thats just not too impressive as a HC. Anyway, I had high hopes coming into this season for this defense but its been a utter nightmare.
Perhaps things will start to come together but I wouldnt cry if Kiffen was shown the door.

Hatcher is easily playing at All Pro level. What has he done in his career for you to have "expected" that? And Selvie's first year as a starter is already equal to or better than any season that Spencer has produced at this time of the year.

 

[TTexasTT]

Hatcher is easily playing at All Pro level. What has he done in his career for you to have "expected" that? And Selvie's first year as a starter is already equal to or better than any season that Spencer has produced at this time of the year.

lol You think so?
You might wanna check those stats. 95 tackles and 11 sacks last year....


And Hatcher played VERY well last year.
Im sorry I just dont see Marinelli as the master coach you do.

 

[BAT]

lol You think so?
You might wanna check those stats. 95 tackles and 11 sacks last year....


And Hatcher played VERY well last year.
Im sorry I just dont see Marinelli as the master coach you do.

That's an outlier season and you know it. And Season is not done yet so trumpeting Spencer's only double digit sack season is not a forgone conclusion. Especially sad when you compare a franchise players production to a journeyman's.

And saying a season a player "played well" is the same as an all pro type season is ridiculous. Hatcher already has 9 sacks with 4 more games to go. Haynesworth's best season, when he was described as unstoppable, he only totaled 8 sacks the entire season. Hatcher is playing much better than very well. Even 4-3 DTs do not reach double digit sacks very often AND this is Hatcher's first season playing in this scheme/position.

 

[AmishCowboy]

I think our problems have much more to do with personnel then coaching.

Rob Ryan's defenses were arguably slightly worse then Kiffin's was this year. People act like the defensive problems suddenly sprung out of nowhere.

Rob had three years and failed to significantly improve the defense. I would expect Kiffin to get some time to rebuild.

I agree!

 

[Common Sense]

Since we're talking about dream 4-3 coaching additions, I would take Leslie Frazier as soon as he's canned as well, although he'll probably land a coordinator gig somewhere.

 

[elcowboi]

I think he looks a lot smarter with less injuries. I doubt this team gives up this many yards with most of the players healthy.

 

[T-RO]

People. People. People. C'mon.

You don't think Marinelli doesn't also see Kiffin's age and ineffectiveness!? Trust me, Rod is not going to get his panties in a wad if Kiffin is released because it's dead-obvious to everyone that the coach needs to find a comfy recliner and should be watching games from a retirement home. If it's obvious to us...you don't think it's 100 times more obvious to RM?

Having loyalty to the living is one thing. Loyalty to dead people is silly...and in coaching terms...Kiffin is the very embodiment of a walking dead person.

The reality is that Kiffin couldn't get an NFL job even back in 2009 and thus his demotion to the less glamorous (and less lucrative) college ranks these past few years.

Rod might leave, Rod might stay but it won't have anything to do with Monte.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I don't know that Kiffin will be back, but I could see it. From what I've read he's only on a one-year contract, so he may only be here for the 4-3 transition with Marinelli slotted to take over afterward.

That said, there is a lot of cawing about how outdated Kiffin's system is or whatever, but Kiffin is not a dummy - guaranteed that with a few spots on the roster rotated, this defense as it is now gets a ton better.

Honestly, he is smarter coach than Garrett.

 

[TTexasTT]

That's an outlier season and you know it. And Season is not done yet so trumpeting Spencer's only double digit sack season is not a forgone conclusion. Especially sad when you compare a franchise players production to a journeyman's.

And saying a season a player "played well" is the same as an all pro type season is ridiculous. Hatcher already has 9 sacks with 4 more games to go. Haynesworth's best season, when he was described as unstoppable, he only totaled 8 sacks the entire season. Hatcher is playing much better than very well. Even 4-3 DTs do not reach double digit sacks very often AND this is Hatcher's first season playing in this scheme/position.

So Spencers season last year doesnt count and I know it... Just because it debunks your silly argument about Selvie > Spencer. Fine.

I love Hatcher but hes not what Haynesworth once was with the Titans and his sack numbers arent even relevant to his game. Anyway, Hatcher has had a better season there is no argument there but last season he was better than the "played well" comment that I described it, sorry. It too could have been all pro as well. Players have had that honor with less production in the past...

The root of this little banter was related to Rod. I just dont understand the ultra high praise he is getting after the atrocious numbers the defense has delivered. I dont think he should be flamed either, afterall he hasnt had a whole lot to work with.

 

[rpntex]

I think our problems have much more to do with personnel then coaching.

Rob Ryan's defenses were arguably slightly worse then Kiffin's was this year. People act like the defensive problems suddenly sprung out of nowhere.

Rob had three years and failed to significantly improve the defense. I would expect Kiffin to get some time to rebuild.

Exactly. Personnel that's basically suited for a 3-4, and even that is devastated by injuries. There is absolutely, positively, no freakin' way Kiffin gets fired after one year, nor does he deserve to. What he does deserve is the opportunity to see what his scheme will do with HEALTHY personnel and a full year under the defense's collective belt. The only way Kiffin leaves is by his own decision.