This is why we keep Spencer

[burmafrd]

Cannot blame the guy for going for the most money. Football is a sport that breaks down the body pretty badly. By the time his is 50 he will possibly be nearly crippled. I cannot like Robinson last year criticise anyone that does not refuse a whole pile of money when offered. This will be his one really big payday.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I doubt he's been signficantly better this year than in year's past.

Fans are finally accepting the fact that he's not a double digit sack guy, and realizing how valuable he is in other areas. He's also been pimped quite a bit by analysts this year.

this some how the most obvious, yet unkown fact ever posted on this forum.:starspin

 

[Manwiththeplan]

It's time to unload all of these 30 year old guys and build from youth. Keep churning the barrel just like New England does. That's the winning formula.

And how many super bowls has NE won since they started trading/releasing older stars like Deion Branch and Richard Seymour (and Drew Bledsoe and Jeremy Bellamy don't count)?

NE has been a very good team because they have an all-time great QB in his prime as well as an offensive line that can keep him upright and a D-Line that can stuff the run.

That is a winning formula, but all time great QBs/NTs (like Wilfork) don't grow on trees.

 

[LittleD]

Cannot blame the guy for going for the most money. Football is a sport that breaks down the body pretty badly. By the time his is 50 he will possibly be nearly crippled. I cannot like Robinson last year criticise anyone that does not refuse a whole pile of money when offered. This will be his one really big payday.

The Boys should help him out by trying to trade him for a pick of some kind.
If a team wants to do a package deal, we have lots of guys at 30 who could go for a couple of picks.

 

[LittleD]

And how many super bowls has NE won since they started trading/releasing older stars like Deion Branch and Richard Seymour (and Drew Bledsoe and Jeremy Bellamy don't count)?

NE has been a very good team because they have an all-time great QB in his prime as well as an offensive line that can keep him upright and a D-Line that can stuff the run.

That is a winning formula, but all time great QBs/NTs (like Wilfork) don't grow on trees.

It's going to take time and picks to rebuild this team to compete with the New Englands of the world. Time to start by dumping these over 30's because they will be too old to participate in any resurgence that might take place down the long & winding road.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

He's admitted on more than one occasion that he takes plays off. He's a JAG and if we cannot replace him maybe that says something about the Cowboy's GM brain trust....

Time to move on from big contracts that don't pay off.

he admitted in 2010 he took plays off, but realistically so did the entire team.

 

[LittleD]

he admitted in 2010 he took plays off, but realistically so did the entire team.

December 2011 too... This team cannot complete with this offensive & defensive line and the coaches we have in the house. Jerry needs to clean house, pump in the sunshine, & take out the trash. Time for the old players and old regime to fade into the sunset...

 

[Manwiththeplan]

It's going to take time and picks to rebuild this team to compete with the New Englands of the world. Time to start by dumping these over 30's because they will be too old to participate in any resurgence that might take place down the long & winding road.

AndI disagree with that. The window of this team has always and will always be determined by Tony Romo. And I see no reason why he cannot lead a team that is good without him, to a Super Bowl.

3rd in the league with 3660 passing yards

T-4th in completion for a 67.1 completion percentage

7th with 7.6 yards per attempt

The only categories where he's not near the top are TDs and INTs (or near the top depending on how you look at it).

Building an O-line won't take that long if we throw nearly all our resources into it, like we did last year in the secondary.

Adding a solid run game, something Romo hasn't had since what 2007, would cause his TD numbers to soar and his INT numbers to drop.

And the defense is almost there. If healthy.

Will adding the right pieces result in this team winning a super bowl, possibly not. A lot of really good teams don't win super bowls. NE has had a lot of really good teams from 2005 to now, but not one. Philly has had a bunch too, yet a 9-7 Giants team wins it all last year.

All in all, it's too early to give up on this team. If you do start completely over, we may as well deal Romo, Witten and Ware and players like this do not grow on trees. How many teams haven't had a QB as good as Romo in the last 20 years? Washington (since Mark Rypken to RG3), Detroit (before Stafford), Buffalo (since Kelly), Miami (since Marino), the Jets (since......) and Cleveland.

I could go on for days. As long as Romo is the QB, we don't need to start anything over.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

December 2011 too... This team cannot complete with this offensive & defensive line and the coaches we have in the house. Jerry needs to clean house, pump in the sunshine, & take out the trash. Time for the old players and old regime to fade into the sunset...

Please provide the link. I remember him saying he took plays off in 2010, I don't remember anyone saying they took plays off last December.

 

[LittleD]

Please provide the link. I remember him saying he took plays off in 2010, I don't remember anyone saying they took plays off last December.

it shows up in the film. The defense (including Spencer) was pathetic last December... Just go look at the tape. They all quit.

 

[Idgit]

it shows up in the film. The defense (including Spencer) was pathetic last December... Just go look at the tape. They all quit.

*sigh.*

 

[LittleD]

I don't think so... We had (operative word had) a chance to do things in 2009/2010 and the team couldn't get over the hump. I feel this team is drifting down the window of time and the window is closing fast. Romo's style fits pretty well with a West Coast Offense I think, but now with the slow developing mess RHG has devised. Our line cannot keep Romo upright for more than 2 seconds and every team in the NFL knows that if you come after Romo hard in the 4th quarter, you can beat him. He is going to try and make a play and likely to throw a pick for a TD. Every team knows it now and they all study how to beat us. Until we take heed of how to build a team like New England or our own Houston Texans, we will be out of the playoffs and stuck in mediocrity. How does 7 & 9 sound for the next 3 years... I didn't think so.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

it shows up in the film. The defense (including Spencer) was pathetic last December... Just go look at the tape. They all quit.

you said he admitted on more than one occasion he took plays off. So I'll assume you don't have a link of him admitting to taking plays off in 2011. If so, provide the link and I'll apologize.

And while I agree the defense sucked last December, it was mainly due to them sucking and not trying. Brooking/James were horribile. Newman/Ball stunk. Ratliff/Coleman were meh. And Jenkins was playing with one arm.

 

[LittleD]

*sigh.*

feel bad do we... Take two asprin and call Jerry in the morning.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I don't think so... We had (operative word had) a chance to do things in 2009/2010 and the team couldn't get over the hump. I feel this team is drifting down the window of time and the window is closing fast. Romo's style fits pretty well with a West Coast Offense I think, but now with the slow developing mess RHG has devised. Our line cannot keep Romo upright for more than 2 seconds and every team in the NFL knows that if you come after Romo hard in the 4th quarter, you can beat him. He is going to try and make a play and likely to throw a pick for a TD. Every team knows it now and they all study how to beat us. Until we take heed of how to build a team like New England or our own Houston Texans, we will be out of the playoffs and stuck in mediocrity. How does 7 & 9 sound for the next 3 years... I didn't think so.

So please tell, what do the Patriots and Texans do different? Based on this rant, it seems your problem is with Garrett and the O-line. If so, my argument is both could be replaced while keeping the same core group.

Creating additional holes, like at SOLB or FS if you're one of the people that belive Gerald Sensabaugh is keeping us from becoming great only makes it harder to throw all of our resources at the O-line.

Protect Romo when he needs to pass and give him a running game to lean on when we have a lead or want to run out the clock (or when it's just one of those days) and the window is open enough.

 

[LittleD]

you said he admitted on more than one occasion he took plays off. So I'll assume you don't have a link of him admitting to taking plays off in 2011. If so, provide the link and I'll apologize.

And while I agree the defense sucked last December, it was mainly due to them sucking and not trying. Brooking/James were horribile. Newman/Ball stunk. Ratliff/Coleman were meh. And Jenkins was playing with one arm.

to apologize... We can just agree to disagree and let things lay as they are. I'm betting right here that if Jerry doesn't franchise him again next year, they let him walk. I can't see Jerry/Stephen being stupid enough to sign him to a long term deal he'll accept. ***Then again, Jerry/Stephen have been that stupid before...several times.

 

[LittleD]

So please tell, what do the Patriots and Texans do different? Based on this rant, it seems your problem is with Garrett and the O-line. If so, my argument is both could be replaced while keeping the same core group.

Creating additional holes, like at SOLB or FS if you're one of the people that belive Gerald Sensabaugh is keeping us from becoming great only makes it harder to throw all of our resources at the O-line.

Protect Romo when he needs to pass and give him a running game to lean on when we have a lead or want to run out the clock (or when it's just one of those days) and the window is open enough.

There are many...many...too many things wrong with the Cowboys to fix in one thread...or in one season for that matter. Romo, Ratliff, Ware, Witten are not going to get better than they were this year. They will fall off the age cliff like all players do. I have no faith that Jerry can fix this line inside of 3 years if that. Even Parcells couldn't do it and he was a line specialist and viewed the offensive line worthy of quality picks. Sorry, but Jerry doesn't.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

There are many...many...too many things wrong with the Cowboys to fix in one thread...or in one season for that matter. Romo, Ratliff, Ware, Witten are not going to get better than they were this year. They will fall off the age cliff like all players do. I have no faith that Jerry can fix this line inside of 3 years if that. Even Parcells couldn't do it and he was a line specialist and viewed the offensive line worthy of quality picks. Sorry, but Jerry doesn't.

I don't think we need Romo, Ware or Witten to be better in 2013. Romo will be better with an o-line and Ware will be better with a d-line that can collapse the pocket, but we don't need either player to improve physically.

Witten is fine where he is to be honest.

Ratliff won't get better, but considering how little he has played, getting better at his position, may not be hard.

And Parcells never used a first round pick on an o-lineman, so to say if he can't fix it, then Jerry can't makes no sense.

We're good with Smith at LT
We're even fine with Livings at LG
I can live with Costa/Bernadu competing with say a 3rd/4th round pick
We need an immediate starter here. 2nd round pick at the latest.
I can live with Free/Parnell competing with say a 2nd/3rd round pick

No if any good free agents are available, they become a priority, however I'm not sure who is on the market.

 

[LittleD]

I don't think we need Romo, Ware or Witten to be better in 2013. Romo will be better with an o-line and Ware will be better with a d-line that can collapse the pocket, but we don't need either player to improve physically.

Witten is fine where he is to be honest.

Ratliff won't get better, but considering how little he has played, getting better at his position, may not be hard.

And Parcells never used a first round pick on an o-lineman, so to say if he can't fix it, then Jerry can't makes no sense.

We're good with Smith at LT
We're even fine with Livings at LG
I can live with Costa/Bernadu competing with say a 3rd/4th round pick
We need an immediate starter here. 2nd round pick at the latest.
I can live with Free/Parnell competing with say a 2nd/3rd round pick

No if any good free agents are available, they become a priority, however I'm not sure who is on the market.

I enjoy your optimism...even if I don't concur. Seems like you're willing to live with a lot of problems that we've already seen a lot of this year. PFF ranks both Smith & Free at the bottom of the tackle list. Livings is the only lineman that has played up to what he was paid. Smith should have been left at his natural position and we should have drafted the best available left tackle rather than trading a pick for a DB. Such is the life of a Cowboy Fan. Oh well... good luck with that optimism...

 

[jterrell]

I enjoy your optimism...even if I don't concur. Seems like you're willing to live with a lot of problems that we've already seen a lot of this year. PFF ranks both Smith & Free at the bottom of the tackle list. Livings is the only lineman that has played up to what he was paid. Smith should have been left at his natural position and we should have drafted the best available left tackle rather than trading a pick for a DB. Such is the life of a Cowboy Fan. Oh well... good luck with that optimism...

Wow....

Let's cover the obvious. There was one left tackle in this draft. He went fourth overall. Would have loved to have him but we had spent a top 10 pick the year before on an OT. It wasn't going to happen again even if he was miraculously available.


After Kalil the next OT was at 23rd overall. Riley Reiff. He has started a couple games for the Lions.

PFF rates those round 2 OTs down there with Free and below Smith.

Dallas needs to find an RT and they need to develop Tyron Smith. You don't give up on 9th overall picks and you don't play 9th overall OTs at RT unless you have a great LT option.

In a sense though I am with you. Had we drafted DeCastro at our original spot and then drafted Bobby Wagner at 45 we'd be looking great for drafting high again this year! And we'd have had a great 3rd ILB to show out with Lee and Carter injured. But mostly we'd be so bad at CB we'd allow 400 yards passing each week. So we could definitely draft a top 10 pick. Instead we are a 8 win type team and will pick middle of the pack.