This team is more talented then 2007

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And that team dominated the NFC. So there is no reason to think we do not have as much talent as any team in the NFC.

The only place we might have a slight drop off is at WR= I think we have more overall talent if our #1 is not as good. RB= better. QB- Romo is more experienced and we have a better backup. O Line= maybe a slight drop off now at LT but the rest of the line is at least equal. TE= better overall.
DL: Igor and Canty are a wash. The Rat is better then he was in 2007 and Marcus is equal and going into his contract year. I say we are better.
LB: Ware is betteer and James is better and Brookings will be better then what we had = Ellis/Spencer we might not have as much pass rush but Spencer is better against the run so its a wash there= overall LB will be better.
CB: Henry & Reeves vs having Scandrik and Jenkins= no contest
Safety: Sensebaugh over Roy big time.
 

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burmafrd;2857742 said:
And that team dominated the NFC. So there is no reason to think we do not have as much talent as any team in the NFC.

The only place we might have a slight drop off is at WR= I think we have more overall talent if our #1 is not as good. RB= better. QB- Romo is more experienced and we have a better backup. O Line= maybe a slight drop off now at LT but the rest of the line is at least equal. TE= better overall.
DL: Igor and Canty are a wash. The Rat is better then he was in 2007 and Marcus is equal and going into his contract year. I say we are better.
LB: Ware is betteer and James is better and Brookings will be better then what we had = Ellis/Spencer we might not have as much pass rush but Spencer is better against the run so its a wash there= overall LB will be better.
CB: Henry & Reeves vs having Scandrik and Jenkins= no contest
Safety: Sensebaugh over Roy big time.

We were 4-0 against NFC North. 3-1 against AFC east. This time we face NFC South and AFC West. NFC South is a bit of a problem. Our 2007 OL coach is gone. Without him we sucked. I dont know why?

I d rather go 9-7, get a wildcard and win atleast ONE playoff game.
 

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I think our last two years talent has never been the problem. It isnt this year either.

07 we had Garrett's new scheme, coaches didnt have tape. We also had ALOT of lucky bounces go our way, plus we were pretty healthy

08 we had injuries, had alot of bounces NOT go our way, and were not mentally tough enough to deal with adversity.

This year is the same I think. We need to stay healthy, hope that we dont get cursed by the ball bouncing the other team's way, and do what we can do on the field.

If that happens I have plenty of faith in this team winning a playoff game or four.
 

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NextGenBoys;2857754 said:
I think our last two years talent has never been the problem. It isnt this year either.

07 we had Garrett's new scheme, coaches didnt have tape. We also had ALOT of lucky bounces go our way, plus we were pretty healthy

08 we had injuries, had alot of bounces NOT go our way, and were not mentally tough enough to deal with adversity.

This year is the same I think. We need to stay healthy, hope that we dont get cursed by the ball bouncing the other team's way, and do what we can do on the field.

If that happens I have plenty of faith in this team winning a playoff game or four.
Word.
 

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NextGenBoys;2857754 said:
I think our last two years talent has never been the problem. It isnt this year either.

07 we had Garrett's new scheme, coaches didnt have tape. We also had ALOT of lucky bounces go our way, plus we were pretty healthy

08 we had injuries, had alot of bounces NOT go our way, and were not mentally tough enough to deal with adversity.

This year is the same I think. We need to stay healthy, hope that we dont get cursed by the ball bouncing the other team's way, and do what we can do on the field.

If that happens I have plenty of faith in this team winning a playoff game or four.

No kiddin.

Talent doesn't mean crap. I don't know why people are hung on the overall talent.

I've seen many a post saying that Dallas is the most talented team but it doesn't mean squat.

This team hasn't played up to its talent level in some time.

Thats the real problem.
 

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I don't think this team is as talented as the 07 team was...

but it will be much more mature and play better together, which can make all the difference.
 

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burmafrd;2857742 said:
And that team dominated the NFC. So there is no reason to think we do not have as much talent as any team in the NFC.

The only place we might have a slight drop off is at WR= I think we have more overall talent if our #1 is not as good. RB= better. QB- Romo is more experienced and we have a better backup. O Line= maybe a slight drop off now at LT but the rest of the line is at least equal. TE= better overall.
1. DL: Igor and Canty are a wash. 2. The Rat is better then he was in 2007 and Marcus is equal and going into his contract year. I say we are better.
LB: Ware is betteer and 3. James is better and Brookings will be better then what we had = Ellis/Spencer we might not have as much pass rush but Spencer is better against the run so its a wash there= overall LB will be better.
CB: Henry & Reeves vs having Scandrik and Jenkins= no contest
Safety: Sensebaugh over Roy big time.

Flozell is a year older, a penalty machine, and this is the year he steps up or steps out due to his salary.

Kosier and Flozell both will miss one practice a day to "keep them healthy." Not a good sign at all when you haven't put on shoulder pads as yet.

Holland was run out of Denver because he could not keep his weight from ballooning. He has undeniable skills. But his personal discipline and motivation is questioned.

Big is still a beast.

Gurode calls a good game.

Colombo has trouble with speed rushers.

The entire line last year struggled with the delayed blitz, not being able get a hat on the blitzer or recognize who was the one coming.

In the past they have shown they are not drop dead superior as run blockers unless they can absolutely get their hands on the opponent.

Romo has his worst days when the line misses assignments and teams have figured out that running someone up the middle causes him problems. And this is where sacks and turnovers multiply with him.

If the passing game cannot create separation quickly, the domino effect on what will happen to this offense will make the theory of the anchor post moot.

Romo holding the ball longer will be the death of this season.

1. Conjecture at best. There is no proof of this at this time.

2. Again, conjecture. No possible way to make this claim as fact.

3. A guy who cannot cover well, and seems to be out of place giving up the big runs that have cost games.

Denver in 2007

Ravens in 2008

Let's hope he is better, but at this stage what Kitna said back in the day about him was accurate.

I'm glad football is back and I cannot wait until the games begin. I have a quiet optimism about areas of this team.

But any speculation this team is better or equal to 2007 is a homer statement at best until they prove they have a leader at QB who can curb turnovers, an offensive line that can play better than they have shown, a WR corp that has more questions than answers, a defense that can step up to the plate when it counts the most and a team that when punched in the mouth tends to cave rather than punch back, which needs to change.

Until they prove it, this team is still 0-fer in either making the play-offs or winning in the play-offs for over a decade.

Prove it in 2009 should be their banner.
 

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I think they are, if you break it down they look better.
Only position i think we're worse at is WR but improvement in other areas should offset that
 

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burmafrd;2857742 said:
The only place we might have a slight drop off is at WR= I think we have more overall talent if our #1 is not as good.

I think a lot is to be determined at WR as to whether we match the talent we had or have some talent issues there. But I'm not sure we have to be as talented at WR as we've been in the past because of the emergence of some players at other positions.

It's ultimately going to be a question of how we use what we've got ... so the pressure's on Garrett to make this offense go. If we can't move simply because the receivers can't get open consistently, then that's on Garrett. He has to show he can utilize the other weapons on this team to open things up for a possibly less-talented receiving corps.
 

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wow...

not sure how you can call 235 receptions, 3,587 yards , and 38 touchdowns in 3 seasons while gaining nothing a "slight" drop-off at WR
 

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I don't think it's more talented at all, if only because we're missing the TO and Ellis of two years ago. Plus Flo is older, Newman is older, Colombo is older, and Burnett is gone.

Maybe it's more talented if you project all the second year players out as successful, but we don't know that yet.

It doesn't matter, though, because last year's team was more "talented" than the year before, and we all saw what happened. Talent is useless if it doesn't play as a team.
 

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xWraithx;2857861 said:
wow...

not sure how you can call 235 receptions, 3,587 yards , and 38 touchdowns in 3 seasons while gaining nothing a "slight" drop-off at WR



Oh dont worry, everybody will feel the "slight" drop off pretty quick.
 

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stilltheguru;2858021 said:
Oh dont worry, everybody will feel the "slight" drop off pretty quick.
I doubt there will be any drop off from the #1 WR of 2008 to the #1 WR of 2009.

We already felt the drop off. That was from 2007 to 2008.

Night and day.
 

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Hostile;2858044 said:
I doubt there will be any drop off form the #1 WR of 2008 to the #1 WR of 2009.

We already felt the drop off. That was form 2007 to 2008.

Night and day.

I'm no football guru, but 69 receptions for 1,052 yards seem fairly pedestrian for a number one receiver -- especially one targeted as often as TO.

Scoring ten touchdowns was impressive, but I think a combination of Felix Jones and Roy Williams will more than offset that loss.
 

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ScipioCowboy;2858052 said:
I'm no football guru, but 69 receptions for 1,052 yards seem fairly pedestrian for a number one receiver -- especially one targeted as often as TO.

Scoring ten touchdowns was impressive, but I think a combination of Felix Jones and Roy Williams will more than offset that loss.
59 yards per game. Color me less than enthused.

His skills were declining and his drama queen act was increasing. Good riddance.
 

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Hostile;2858056 said:
59 yards per game. Color me less than enthused.

His skills were declining and his drama queen act was increasing. Good riddance.

59 yards per? Wow.

I dont think it was all TO though, although he is falling off. Garrett had an off year too, but Garrett hasn't hit his ceiling like TO.

I think PART of TO's production that he's achieved is because it is a self fulfilling prophecy with him.

He demands to have offenses tailored to him, and in return gets his numbers. Spreading the ball around and forcing defenses to change what they're doing to stop us is alot better than defenses keying on one guy and us trying to get him the ball.
 

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Hostile;2858056 said:
59 yards per game. Color me less than enthused.

His skills were declining and his drama queen act was increasing. Good riddance.
The Player averaged 65.75 yards receiving in 2008 and 73.23 yards per game with Romo at QB, a nearly 1,200 yard pace for the season if Romo hadn't missed time. He wasn't as effective as he was in 2007, but his demise has been greatly exaggerated.
 

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ScipioCowboy;2858052 said:
I'm no football guru, but 69 receptions for 1,052 yards seem fairly pedestrian for a number one receiver -- especially one targeted as often as TO.

Scoring ten touchdowns was impressive, but I think a combination of Felix Jones and Roy Williams will more than offset that loss.

You think scoring double digit TDs is impressive? Good luck trying to convince someone like AbeBeta.
 

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hoamskoold;2858108 said:
The Player averaged 65.75 yards receiving in 2008 and 73.23 yards per game with Romo at QB, a nearly 1,200 yard pace for the season if Romo hadn't missed time. He wasn't as effective as he was in 2007, but his demise has been greatly exaggerated.



Let the haters hate. When he plays beastly with Buffalo nobody will have anything to say. Hate TO's attitude but please stop saying hes "declining". It's pure BS
 
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