This team reminds me of the mid-60's Boys

[StarGazer1]

Players were smaller and slower in the sixties, I would whole heartily agree that the tempo was not the same. I find it difficult to compare and your memory is much better than mine during that time. This was a time when weightlifting was not required and nutrition was in its infancy, many lineman were less than 250lbs and a torn up knee/achilles was not an injury you came back from the following year.

Players and coaches smoked cigs on the sidelines, so you know the conditioning wasn't great.

 

[HomeBiscuit]

Yeah

Whatever.

I don't agree his comments were not vindictive.

He's a troll.

What can I say.

Vindictive? Wow. Bad joke maybe. Sorry i upset you, that was the furthest from my intention.

 

[Plankton]

Was this truly the general perception of Landry at the time? I was under the impression that Landry was looked upon very favorably by his peers due to his time as the Giants defensive coordinator and even his days as a player.

It wasn't.

Landry was thought of as being exceedingly smart. The problem with him had been around expectations. Jim Lee Howell, the Giant head coach when Landry was the defensive coordinator, was widely quoted as saying that Tom Landry was the finest coach in football. With that kind of endorsement, people were critical of Landry because they didn't have early success, or a non-losing season until 1965.

 

[jazzcat22]

Is the film in slow motion or is that just how you old people moved back then?

Witten could have played back then....

 

[RS12]

Players were smaller and slower in the sixties, I would whole heartily agree that the tempo was not the same. I find it difficult to compare and your memory is much better than mine during that time. This was a time when weightlifting was not required and nutrition was in its infancy, many lineman were less than 250lbs and a torn up knee/achilles was not an injury you came back from the following year.

The KC Chief team that beat the snot out of Vikings is SB4 was neither small nor slow. Go back and look at the size of some of the guys on the roster.

 

[RS12]

I only go back to the 68 season where Leroy Kelly and the Browns killed em in the playoffs but I had actually been thinking this team had more of a 91 Cowboys vibe, the one that was kind of on the cusp but got stomped by Detroit in the playoffs. They had another great draft that off season and took the net step.

 

[Plankton]

Ok..

It's bye week and I have been studying this team a lot as have the rest of you.

Many want to draw parallels to the 90s team with the Triplets..

but the more I watch them..

the more I have flashbacks to the 1965-1968 teams.

Many of you were not around back then.

They used to call us Next Years Champions..

and for good reason

The team continually played well but could not win in the playoffs.

Therefore Next Years Champions stuck.

Now I'm going to draw some parallels to consider..

Back in '65 Meredith was only in his 2nd year but had been splitting time with Jerry Rhome..an aging but capable QB. Meredith was a gunslinging passer who kept the team loose and cracked jokes in the huddle

This is looking similar to Romo and DAK.

The RB was Don Perkins..a fire hydrant of a runner who ran the ball..blocked for Meredith like a bodyguard.

His best plays we're b/w the tackles and ran the delayed draw like nobody had seen before. He was as fast as Zeke for the first 10 yards and was just as tough to tackle.

Later in '66 Dan Reeves came along and added attacking the outside to the offense and will be forever remembered for his halfback pass..

today we have Zeke and Morris..a terrific 1-2 running attack.

Frank Clarke was a veteran TE whom Meredith leaned on for first downs..just like Witten does now.

Bobby Hayes was the guy who struck fear in the other team..a World Class track star who sometimes dropped the ball but the next play would make a spectacular TD.

Not unlike Dez Bryant.

The defense back then was often overwhelmed but Bob Lilley at DT.. Willie Townes at DE, Chuck Howley and Leroy Jordan at Lbers, Cornell Green, Mel Renfro in the secondary..the Original Doomsday Defense..

were not that different from DeMarcus Lawrence and David Irving on the DL. Lee and Hitchens at LBer, Claiborne and Carr in the secondary along with Jones..

All very similar to the 60's Cowboys.

The 60's Cowboys were also very young..just like today's team had a terrific young offensive line with John Niland, Dave Manders at center, Tony Liscio at T.

Tom Landry back then had only been a HC for 4 years around ''65 not unlike Garrett is now. Nobody thought Landry was brilliant but he was a grinder and was unshakeable..much like Garrett is now..

I could add more..but I would like some feedback on this.

If you were there and remember what I am saying..let's hear it. If you were too young..go back and do some research the comment.

Sorry for the length of the post..meh..we got an off week..I"m bored all ready.

Have fun.here's a video to get you started..



Go Cowwwwwbbooyyysss,,

While I appreciate the effort to make a comparison between the past and present, there are a number of factual errors in this post, and ultimately, I don't agree with the comparison.

First, Jerry Rhome was drafted in 1964 - four years after Don Meredith joined the Cowboys at their inception. Meredith had split time with Eddie LeBaron until early in the 1963 season. Rhome was strictly a backup who had the misfortune of being selected in the same draft as Roger Staubach, and one season before Craig Morton was taken in the first round.

Second, Dan Reeves signed as an undrafted free agent in 1965. While he complemented Don Perkins well, running outside was not his forte. Reeves lacked speed.

Comparing the Cowboy defense of the 1960's to this defense is frankly not a good comparison at all. Those Cowboy defenses could rush the passer from the front four, with Lilly, George Andrie and Jethro Pugh providing a strong rush. The present Cowboy team struggles generating pass pressure without gaming pressure, and even then, they struggle.

Landry was absolutely thought to be a brilliant mind, though not necessarily a successful coach. When Murchison gave him a 10 year extension in 1964, it was a stunning turn of events given his record at that point.

By and large, that team was ascending. They had no history to draw off of, and were only burdened by their present results.

The 2016 Cowboys are absolutely burdened by the past history and success of the team. That history is the reason for their popularity, and ultimately, the reason why people like to take shots at them when they happen to fail.

I wouldn't compare this team to any Cowboy team of the past. They have yet to carve out their identity.

 

[Sarge]

Is the film in slow motion or is that just how you old people moved back then?

Watch it mister.

 

[BAT]

Ok..

It's bye week and I have been studying this team a lot as have the rest of you.

Many want to draw parallels to the 90s team with the Triplets..

but the more I watch them..

the more I have flashbacks to the 1965-1968 teams.

Many of you were not around back then.

They used to call us Next Years Champions..

and for good reason

The team continually played well but could not win in the playoffs.

Therefore Next Years Champions stuck.

Now I'm going to draw some parallels to consider..

Back in '65 Meredith was only in his 2nd year but had been splitting time with Jerry Rhome..an aging but capable QB. Meredith was a gunslinging passer who kept the team loose and cracked jokes in the huddle

This is looking similar to Romo and DAK.

The RB was Don Perkins..a fire hydrant of a runner who ran the ball..blocked for Meredith like a bodyguard.

His best plays we're b/w the tackles and ran the delayed draw like nobody had seen before. He was as fast as Zeke for the first 10 yards and was just as tough to tackle.

Later in '66 Dan Reeves came along and added attacking the outside to the offense and will be forever remembered for his halfback pass..

today we have Zeke and Morris..a terrific 1-2 running attack.

Frank Clarke was a veteran TE whom Meredith leaned on for first downs..just like Witten does now.

Bobby Hayes was the guy who struck fear in the other team..a World Class track star who sometimes dropped the ball but the next play would make a spectacular TD.

Not unlike Dez Bryant.

The defense back then was often overwhelmed but Bob Lilley at DT.. Willie Townes at DE, Chuck Howley and Leroy Jordan at Lbers, Cornell Green, Mel Renfro in the secondary..the Original Doomsday Defense..

were not that different from DeMarcus Lawrence and David Irving on the DL. Lee and Hitchens at LBer, Claiborne and Carr in the secondary along with Jones..

All very similar to the 60's Cowboys.

The 60's Cowboys were also very young..just like today's team had a terrific young offensive line with John Niland, Dave Manders at center, Tony Liscio at T.

Tom Landry back then had only been a HC for 4 years around ''65 not unlike Garrett is now. Nobody thought Landry was brilliant but he was a grinder and was unshakeable..much like Garrett is now..

I could add more..but I would like some feedback on this.

If you were there and remember what I am saying..let's hear it. If you were too young..go back and do some research the comment.

Sorry for the length of the post..meh..we got an off week..I"m bored all ready.

Have fun.here's a video to get you started..



Go Cowwwwwbbooyyysss,,

I disagree. And only because that team never won it all. Plus Tony is more Meredith like while Dak is closer to Staubach (poised and dual theeat).

No reason this team can't go all the way, especially if a pass rusher shows up.

 

[DallasEast]

People wrap themselves so tightly within contemporary concepts that they sometimes dismiss relevancy. The average life expectancy of a U.S. male now is over 76 years. Before 1970 it was a smidge above 67. That's a huge difference in lifespan and decades but what men accomplished then and now are relatively equal within the context of their own respective era.

How teams and players competed with each other then and how teams and players compete with each other now should be considered as relevant. Is there really a need for size comparisons? I think not. The sport was great way back when and it's great now. No need for people to ARM WRESTLE over physical differences between eras because... well... the bigger, stronger guys would most likely win...

Oh the heck with you guys! Go Cowboys!

 

[xwalker]

Is the film in slow motion or is that just how you old people moved back then?

Thanks bro.

You can go back to watching the Debates.

Come back when you actually have something to contribute for the rest of us.

Try to make it more than your clever one liners.

Youngster.

That film is running at less than full speed. If that is from and NFL films rebroadcast, they did tend to slow them down for some reason.

Having said that, even when you see it at full speed, the players did tend to look slow because they were slow relatively speaking. Back then Bob Hayes was the fastest guy that anyone had ever seen in football pads. Today the Cowboys have had practice squad guys that run that fast (i.e. Teddy Williams, etc..).

 

[Macnalty]

The KC Chief team that beat the snot out of Vikings is SB4 was neither small nor slow. Go back and look at the size of some of the guys on the roster.

I never meant to imply slow or miniscule, I truly believe today's players are bigger, faster/quicker than the mid sixties players. We had no real training regimen in the sixties other than pumping iron and running. We did not comprehend how much flexibility means in a player's talent makeup and do not even mention nutrition. The lineman are where the biggest difference are apparent, most of these guys are real athletes in 2016. I will admit there are still some just country strong guys playing in today's game on the line vs athletes.

 

[Macnalty]

Players and coaches smoked cigs on the sidelines, so you know the conditioning wasn't great.

That is so true and is a great point.

 

[Diehardblues]

So all that aside..

did you agree with my overall premise.?

I' m sorry my research department didn't quite meet your standards..

but I only pay them a burger and a beer every other Friday.

So occasionally they give me brief and often not completely factual info.

I will take it up with them Friday when I go to lunch.

I will be the only one there. You are invited..bring a tape recorder so you can fact check me.

So hopefully you agreed or no?

This team itself doesn't remind me of the 60's for the reasons I stated.

That team was next years champion because of the frustrations in playoffs and NFL title games.

This young nucleus has only made playoffs once and not appeared in a championship game .

No comparison yet.

 

[Redball Express]

Made me laugh a little ........slowly mind you.

Love the sig bro.

 

[Redball Express]

This team itself doesn't remind me of the 60's for the reasons I stated.

That team was next years champion because of the frustrations in playoffs and NFL title games.

This young nucleus has only made playoffs once and not appeared in a championship game .

No comparison yet.

Noted.

That was sort of my point..

about not appearing in championships and having a rep. of being snakebit.

I rest my case.

Thank for playing along..good replies.

 

[DFWJC]

This team reminds me of 2014

 

[Redball Express]

Players and coaches smoked cigs on the sidelines, so you know the conditioning wasn't great.

Kind of fun to hear Lindsey Nelson again..

Him and Vin Skully and Howard Cosell were guys I loved hearing do play by play.

Keith Jackson, too for college football..ohhhh nellie.

 

[Scotman]

I was born in 66. My earliest memories are of watching the Cowboys with my dad.

This group doesn't really remind me of any of our previous teams. While we have some of the players that might share a quality or two with some of those guys, I don't think that they translate well as a team to others we've had.

What I'm really hoping for is that this isn't "next year's team" unless it includes the word "again" in there somewhere. I hope that we aren't just riding a temporary wave of success here. I hope we are just seeing the beginning of a tidal wave...one that changes the game. The Cowboys have changed this game before. I hope we are on the verge of doing it again. A new team. A new group. A new plan. A new era. New Cowboys. New rings.

We are so close. I know y'all can feel it. Our drafting changed a few years back. Momentum seems to be building from beneath us. The rest of the league can see it...they can feel it. The offense has already begun to assert itself. We are only a player or two away from having a defense that changes everything.

The NFL will soon belong to us.