Thoughts about this weekend's games

[Diehardblues]

Give me names of the QBs you're saying aren't worthy in this era.

You’re presenting a subjective response. I asked a direct question with specific data for which you’re choosing not to respond .

Probably because it doesn’t support your narrative.

 

[baltcowboy]

the bills defense is elite (#1 overall defense and in many category's) and couldn't stop Mahomes and Reid.. welcome to the new nfl offense that can destroy great defense if they are hot,

sorry but we played pretty good defense the last 9 games that not the issue our offense has to be able to answer against teams that can score. the OL, OC, OLC and what not need to be better and dak needs too be better because those 2 qbs last night moved and held it and made huge plays on the run. we have that talent, but penalties and mistakes kill our drives and flow.

both teams had only what 4 penalties between them and no tos, i mean that mistake free football and that what we are missing. we easily beat 9ers, raiders, and az with HALF the penalties we had and soem breaks in the game.

Buffalo’s defense and team was good enough to win the Super Bowl this year. The just lost the coin toss.
Their defense is like our offense, they ate up bad teams and stat padded. They were also missing their number 1 corner back. Buffalo strength is their secondary. With a few moves we can be elite at every level defensively. We need a monster defensive tackle like yesterday.

 

[McKDaddy]

I think with a few tweaks our defense will be good enough.

Not a defense in the league that is gonna stop those teams last night. When the QB's can run as well as they pass and they are elite passers, it's just hold on for dear life & hope you catch a break.

 

[Diehardblues]

I'd rather spin the wheel trying to find a QB that can actually put the team on his back and win games instead of wasting time with a guy we know can't get it done.

The last QB we drafted in the 1st round was Troy Aikman.

It's time.

That’s just not how teams are going to operate . If your fortunate enough to land an elite QB that’s great. You still have to build around them . Troy wasn’t great initially or near end of his career without the supporting cast.

Yes, it makes it easier to build around an Elite but it’s just not reality for all 32 teams . And there’s no guarantee who’s going to be Elite.

 

[baltcowboy]

... And gain (re-gain?) a potent enough run game that can control the ball more and help limit the touches away from the QBs. Less exposure to your Defense.
If Shanahan had decided to keep running the ball in the SB, ..

- And you have to be able to beat their OTs. - Bucs totally dismantled their injury riddled OL in the SB, and Mahomes could not even score a single TD.
i still think their OTs are overrated, imo. First time i saw Ed Oliver show up big in a game in quite awhile.

I agree about the run game but I keep hearing rumors that Zeke is telling/dictating how much he runs the ball and decides when he plays. If this is true I am done with the team because this means Jerrah has everyone on a puppet string. I mean clearly Pollard is the better running back and it is time to run him in the ground. Zeke should have been benched in the second half vs San Francisco.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

But you should keep your options open and not let a mediocre QB demand to be paid like he is elite.

Dallas should’ve said thanks but no thanks. We will just continue to team build and lay our foundation while searching for someone else.

Starting the 2020 season a watermelon kick from 0-4 or whatever it was should’ve been the first indicator that Dak made no difference.

Now they’re stuck and the only thing they got going is all those mutant QBs play in the AFC.

Here's the problem with your thinking......Do you expect/hope your developing QB doesn't improve?????? If the answer is yes, what you think is going to happen once he wins you a playoff game or a couple of divisional titles? You're facing only two options........continue his development and pay him or let him walk and start over again at the most important position on your team. Good lord Catch, you'd have a revolving door and still expect to win??????

 

[quickccc]

I agree about the run game but I keep hearing rumors that Zeke is telling dictating how much he runs the ball and decides when he plays. If this is true I am done with the team because this means Jerrah has everyone on a puppet string. I mean clearly Pollard is the better running back and it is time to run him in the ground.

- Contrary to what's passed around with Jerry. i believe Stephen Jones is the lead decision maker that his dad Jerry signs on with.
- Stephen was not shy about cuttting Dez loose and moving on from Cowboys all time TD catcher.
- Cowboys were not shy about making a decision on future HOF DeMarcus Ware.
- who would've thought Jerry could cut ties with legend Tony Romo and ride with Dak as the future ?

 

[Hawkeye0202]

That’s just not how teams are going to operate . If your fortunate enough to land an elite QB that’s great. You still have to build around them . Troy wasn’t great initially or near end of his career without the supporting cast.

Yes, it makes it easier to build around an Elite but it’s just not reality for all 32 teams . And there’s no guarantee who’s going to be Elite.

+1........how many so-called top 5 or 10 drafted QBs have failed over the last 10 years????? There's a graphic out there.......don't feel like looking it up but the numbers will blow you away.

 

[CATCH17]

Here's the problem with your thinking......Do you expect/hope your developing QB doesn't improve?????? If the answer is yes, what you think is going to happen once he wins you a playoff game or a couple of divisional titles? You're facing only two options........continue his development and pay him or let him walk and start over again at the most important position on your team. Good lord Catch, you'd have a revolving door and still expect to win??????

Yes I’d let him walk. In fact I’d feel much better about our team right now going forward.

Right now I think our ceiling is about what we saw this year.


Now everyone is wanting to team build in a way that a bad QB can win with like Jimmy G and get the ball out of our QBs hands.

Paying Dak was never the right thing to do. You’ll never convince me of that. Paying a bus driver QB who isn’t a playmaker like he is Mahomes or Allen is just moronic.

 

[baltcowboy]

- Contrary to what's passed around with Jerry. i believe Stephen Jones is the lead decision maker that his dad Jerry signs on with.
- Stephen was not shy about cuttting Dez loose and moving on from Cowboys all time TD catcher.
- Cowboys were not shy about making a decision on future HOF DeMarcus Ware.
- who would've thought Jerry could cut ties with legend Tony Romo and ride with Dak as the future ?

Zeke is worse then TO, Dez, Romo, and Ware at the end. If Stephen really is the power broker, he needs to cut him immediately.

 

[Cowboyny]

Not a defense in the league that is gonna stop those teams last night. When the QB's can run as well as they pass and they are elite passers, it's just hold on for dear life & hope you catch a break.

You cannot have blown coverage in 3rd or 4th in long. Fully understand it's difficult, but it was way too easy.

 

[Cowboyny]

No issue holding players accountable but did he "force" the pass? I mean he hit the receiver right in the hands.

I can't blame him for that interception. They were trying to get into position to win the game. Receiver has to take some of the blame there IMO. Sometimes bad things happen even when there was no clear mistake.

It was a pass in tight coverage with many defenders in the area.

 

[Cowboyny]

Chiefs vs Bills:

- Bills have to gain a more potent run game to control the ball and help limit touches vs Mahomes

- Notice how Mahomes was more efficient with sharp-shooting the defenses underneath instead of greedily force splash plays like at start of the season .

- Chiefs spread you out and get cross routes to confuse Bills that led to a few huge splash plays – one resulted in a Tyreek Hill 65

- that’s a QB and coaches that “ adjust” during the season, .. not after the season as similar to Jerry’s recent comments.

- Another sign of suspect game management as Bill’s McDermott did not squib-kick that could’ve taken off significant game time away from Mahomes – en route to a 49 yrd FG ..kudos to the kicker as that was game clutch to save their season. Poor game management goes around the NFL .. not just McCarthy and Garrett.

- Thought the injury to safety Tyranny Mathieu (one we should’ve pursued in FA, instead of bypassing for Earl Thomas) was very significant and they really struggled in the middle without him.

- Ex-Cowboy Chaverous Ward has turned into an above average solid starter – but will he ever be thought of as pro bowl though.

- Chiefs haven’t got anything out of DE Frank Clark all year- totally non factor. Maybe has serious hampering injury that's slowed him, otherwise could be a cap-cut. .

- Josh Allen is a dual threat – scares team as a runner, and he’s developed as a pure passer. Bills provided him terrific weapons. (Diggs, Beasley, Sanders, Davis and Knox)

- Bills brought rush hear on Mahomes often in this game, but he's so masterful at eluding rushers and improvising for scrambling yards or throwing on the run.

- someone is brilliantly designing these plays for Reid. i never recall him being this brilliant and innovative with McNabb and Alex Smith

- Tyrek Hill is the Barry Sanders of the passing game as such a pure splash highlight - combined him with Mahome- and duo are such hellacious back-breakers in a eye blink.

Mahomes is special and Hill is the most electric players in this league, add in Kelce who is the best TE and they are very difficult to stop. Now they have a healthy Mahomes and improved line, they can beat you anyway they want.

 

[quickccc]

Zeke is worse then TO, Dez, Romo, and Ware at the end. If Stephen really is the power broker, he needs to cut him immediately.

Why does zeke have to be cut immediately ?
You'd still have to take on a huge cap, hit for a guy no longer here in a year where cap space is gonna be so tight anyway.

why not keep him on another year and if we can vastly improve the surroundings of a run game ala (OL, coaching) he could still possibly have the stretch he had vs Chargers, Philly, Carolina, NYG,
in '21 primarily in 1st half, where Zeke had:
.. 16 carries for 71 yds ,1 TD vs Chargers 4.44 ypg
.. 17 carries for 95 yds 2 TDs vs Philly 5.59 ypg
...20 carries for 143, 1 TD, vs Carolina 7.15 ypg.
.. 21 carries for 110, 1 TD, vs NYG 5.25 ypg.

 

[baltcowboy]

Why does zeke have to be cut immediately ?
You'd still have to take on a huge cap, hit for a guy no longer here in a year where cap space is gonna be so tight anyway.

why not keep him on another year and if we can vastly improve the surroundings of a run game ala (OL, coaching) he could still possibly have the stretch he had vs Chargers, Philly, Carolina, NYG,
in '21 primarily in 1st half, where Zeke had:
.. 16 carries for 71 yds ,1 TD vs Chargers 4.44 ypg
.. 17 carries for 95 yds 2 TDs vs Philly 5.59 ypg
...20 carries for 143, 1 TD, vs Carolina 7.15 ypg.
.. 21 carries for 110, 1 TD, vs NYG 5.25 ypg.

He is a bad player. He also has power on the team. If you want control of the Cowboys you have to take it from Zeke and Dak. That one playoff victory in the last 6 years is proof enough. Those early season stats are meaningless. He is a liability who needs to go.

 

[quickccc]

Mahomes is special and Hill is the most electric players in this league, add in Kelce who is the best TE and they are very difficult to stop. Now they have a healthy Mahomes and improved line, they can beat you anyway they want.

Since you cannot beat them individually. since you cannot match up with them individually , since you cannot dismantle an disrupt their OL to slow down the very source of their dynamic attack per Mahomes, (ala Bucs in SB) then you have to try to limit their amount of touches on offense, while also scoring TDs.

You do that with a very sufficient run game, to help control the clock, keep Mahomes on the field while finishing with TDs. The Bills have a serviceable run game, but it doesn't overpower anyone,
It doesn't scare anyone, it does not possess a force that defenses have to account for. (Moss and Singletary)

Imo that should be the next step for the Bills who have now been knocked out of playoffs by Chiefs two str8 years.
They need to combine a difference maker in the run game to help Josh Allen..to have a better chance to beat Chiefs. ..imo.

 

[quickccc]

He is a bad player. He also has power on the team. If you want control of the Cowboys you have to take it from Zeke and Dak.
That one playoff victory in the last 6 years is proof enough. Those early season stats are meaningless. He is a liability who needs to go.

So it's not just going after Zeke ... but Dak too ?

- As high paid coaches, it's up to them to utilize and maximize what they offer and have that could help my offense and team.
- But it's how the coaches uses them.

- You don't flex Zeke out wide like a WR, (and on a bum knee at that) and sending him downfield like he's gonna lumber away from coverages
If he's more power oriented nowadays, then you scheme-design and commit power plays runs and misdirection run plays than stretch runs and edge runs like he's the 2016 Zeke.
Eventually we will need to attend to the Zeke thing in 2023, and make the big decision.

- Now while you're mentioning playoff losses and failures, that's not on just Dak, but we still have defiences and exploited weakness on the Defense that teams end up
exploiting with one thing and another.

- For instances, ..my fear was the Niners run game " out-physical " us vs the run ... and that did happen.
Even lined up WR Deebo Samuels in backfield.... and we still could not handle him.
And make matters worse, we never brought rush pressure on Grapp and he was able to hit a few key big plays vs our secondary.

 

[baltcowboy]

So it's not just going after Zeke ... but Dak too ?

- As high paid coaches, it's up to them to utilize and maximize what they offer and have that could help my offense and team.
- But it's how the coaches uses them.

- You don't flex Zeke out wide like a WR, (and on a bum knee at that) and sending him downfield like he's gonna lumber away from coverages
If he's more power oriented nowadays, then you scheme-design and commit power plays runs and misdirection run plays than stretch runs and edge runs like he's the 2016 Zeke.
Eventually we will need to attend to the Zeke thing in 2023, and make the big decision.

- Now while you're mentioning playoff losses and failures, that's not on just Dak, but we still have defiences and exploited weakness on the Defense that teams end up
exploiting with one thing and another.

- For instances, ..my fear was the Niners run game " out-physical " us vs the run ... and that did happen.
Even lined up WR Deebo Samuels in backfield.... and we still could not handle him.
And make matters worse, we never brought rush pressure on Grapp and he was able to hit a few key big plays vs our secondary.

I am just frustrated we all know the Joneses are the problem, have been for 28 years.

 

[blueblood70]

Buffalo’s defense and team was good enough to win the Super Bowl this year. The just lost the coin toss.
Their defense is like our offense, they ate up bad teams and stat padded. They were also missing their number 1 corner back. Buffalo strength is their secondary. With a few moves we can be elite at every level defensively. We need a monster defensive tackle like yesterday.

again, they couldn't slow Mahomes when they needed to and they are the #1 overall defenses period. thats elite..not many defenses can stop hot offenses like both of them last night, we need to score more then 16 points got it? that's the issue the last few games against better teams. Too many penalties on the OL and mistakes cost us drives,

 

[baltcowboy]

again, they couldn't slow Mahomes when they needed to and they are the #1 overall defenses period. thats elite..not many defenses can stop hot offenses like both of them last night, we need to score more then 16 points got it? that's the issue the last few games against better teams. Too many penalties on the OL and mistakes cost us drives,

Brother I am just trying to find away to beat these offenses with elite quarterbacks and coaches. Defenses can’t do anything because the rules favor the offenses. The Cowboys have to be smart and forward thinking.