Timb2's Mock Draft 1st round with Trades and Reasons for pick,Later Posts will be Additional Rounds

[timb2]

4TH ROUND

96-Cardinals-Damon Jeanpierre WR Nicholls State

97-49ers-Vosean Joseph OLB Florida

98-Jets-Benny Snell RB Kentucky

99-Raiders-Ben Banogu MLB TCU

100-Buccaneers-Tyree St.Louis OT Miami

 

[timb2]

OLB is one of the last positions I'd like to see us draft in the 2nd. A "4-3" team is actually 4-2-5 in today's NFL. The 3rd corner is more of a starter than the 3rd linebacker. Damien Wilson played like 30% of snaps. An OLB would have to be an overwhelming BPA to have this make sense IMO.

Walker adds another pass rusher and not sure if Sean Lee is not a cap casualty.

 

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101-Giants-JJ Areca-Whiteside WR Stanford

102-Jaguars-Jalen Hurd WR Baylor

103-Bengals-Will Grier QB West Virginia

104-Lions-Tevon Coney OLB Notre Dame

105-Bills-Elijah Holyfield RB Georgia

106-Broncos-Hunter Renfrow WR Clemson

107-Packers-Jalin Jelks OLB Oregon

108-Panthers-Charles Omenihu DE Texas

109-Dolphins-Stanley Morgan WR Nebraska

110-Falcons-Antoine Wesley WR Texas Tech

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I don't know what to say. Kyler Murray is WAY too late and an OLB at #58? Do you realize how often a third LB is on the field? We took LVE because for the long term, he was going to replace either Lee or Jaylon, but there was never any intention for all three to play together.

 

[Sydla]

Walker adds another pass rusher and not sure if Sean Lee is not a cap casualty.

That assumes the Cowboys would use him as a DE, which probably isn’t a safe assumption. So Walker’s pass rush skills are probably not a big factor here as we don’t blitz a lot either.

You are essentially using our best pick to take a backup LB. I am not sure that’s real value there.

 

[timb2]

After Sean Lee, we have Damien Wilson who has had off the field issues. Joe Mays who looks like a special teams type and Chris Covington who looks like a career backup,and Justin March-Lillard looks like just another body who most likely will end up in the XFL,CFL,AFL.... Walker should start end of his rookie season for Wilson. ...Yes we do blitz and Walker adds another nightmare to deal with.

 

[timb2]

So what is the type of player you want at *58??? Marinelli has showed you can find good DTs off the street. Most of the best WRs have already been picked over before 58. Another TE?? The best ones already been picked over and that TE becomes a project,we already have enough projects at TE.....Safety? I think Woods and Heath played well enough. We don't need O-line,we don't need CBs. We don't need DEs. So who should we go after at 58?

 

[timb2]

I don't know what to say. Kyler Murray is WAY too late and an OLB at #58? Do you realize how often a third LB is on the field? We took LVE because for the long term, he was going to replace either Lee or Jaylon, but there was never any intention for all three to play together.

Kyler Murray is small and if he doesn't start,he will just go play baseball. I have him to the Ravens because you put him in the backfield with Lamar Jackson and who is the QB? Who is the WR,RB,Slot?...If they add another guy like RG3 in the mix that will confuse teams and drive them up the wall.... Murray is small and this is a big man league. Yeah rare exceptions in Brees who hangs out in the shotgun all the time and Russell Wilson,but most small QBs don't make it. For every Russell Wilson there is Ty Detmer,Troy Smith,Timmy Chang,Todd Santos,Kevin Murray,Johnny Manziel,etc....

 

[Sydla]

After Sean Lee, we have Damien Wilson who has had off the field issues. Joe Mays who looks like a special teams type and Chris Covington who looks like a career backup,and Justin March-Lillard looks like just another body who most likely will end up in the XFL,CFL,AFL.... Walker should start end of his rookie season for Wilson. ...Yes we do blitz and Walker adds another nightmare to deal with.

Again, you are using our best pick in the draft for a backup player. Did you mean Thomas instead of Mays? Thomas looked very good before getting hurt. He is more than capable as a backup. They will probably also keep Lee at a discounted rate, would be my guess.

We also are one of the least blitzing teams in the league.

It just doesn't make a ton of sense to use our best pick in this draft on a guy that we "might" blitz from time to time and would get a few snaps at SAM but mostly sit on the bench as we play a lot of nickel. Now if you are telling me, they can move him to DE and make him a hand on the ground player, then sure, I can buy that.

Using your list........... I'd rather go Adderly and Abram or even Simmons, who you had sliding because of his knee injury.

In the 3rd, I'd likely go Omenihu most likely.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Kyler Murray is small and if he doesn't start,he will just go play baseball. I have him to the Ravens because you put him in the backfield with Lamar Jackson and who is the QB? Who is the WR,RB,Slot?...If they add another guy like RG3 in the mix that will confuse teams and drive them up the wall.... Murray is small and this is a big man league. Yeah rare exceptions in Brees who hangs out in the shotgun all the time and Russell Wilson,but most small QBs don't make it. For every Russell Wilson there is Ty Detmer,Troy Smith,Timmy Chang,Todd Santos,Kevin Murray,Johnny Manziel,etc....

Notice most of the QBs you mentioned were from 20 years ago. The one recent example, was a guy who had drug issues and a horrible attitude and the rest weren't projected to do much in the pros. So I'd say Brees isn't the rare exception anymore.

And at this point, Murray has returned the signing bonus, and is missing spring training. It's completely conjecture on your part to suggest he's going back to baseball if he doesn't start. If anything, being drafted by a team that wants to play him at WR, RB, or slot will make him choose baseball. He said he's putting all of his energy into being a QB, not an NFL player.

And *if* the Ravens drafted him and he actually reported, they would not keep RG3. And it would not be feasible to have all 3 on the field. Yes they are fast, but they aren't route runners and they aren't polished pass catchers. It's the type of play that would work at best, once a season.

 

[timb2]

Again, you are using our best pick in the draft for a backup player. Did you mean Thomas instead of Mays? Thomas looked very good before getting hurt. He is more than capable as a backup. They will probably also keep Lee at a discounted rate, would be my guess.

We also are one of the least blitzing teams in the league.

It just doesn't make a ton of sense to use our best pick in this draft on a guy that we "might" blitz from time to time and would get a few snaps at SAM but mostly sit on the bench as we play a lot of nickel. Now if you are telling me, they can move him to DE and make him a hand on the ground player, then sure, I can buy that.

Using your list........... I'd rather go Adderly and Abram or even Simmons, who you had sliding because of his knee injury.

In the 3rd, I'd likely go Omenihu most likely.

So you want a 2nd on a safety or a medical risk at DT? Abram is too much of a headhunter and the NFL is steering clear of these guys.If not, JJ Wilcox would still be here... Adderly? Is he really an improvement over Woods & Heath? Also Earl Thomas wants to be here.So who is the backup 2nd round pick??....

Possible pick.Simmons? He is a risk and he might bust if he isn't the same player. Also Marinelli already has proven you can find DTs off the street who can play just as well.


Yes it does make sense to get another good athlete who can play LB and rush the passer.


Another pass rusher in the 3rd round you want,but not the 2nd who can also play LB like I want?????

 

[timb2]

Notice most of the QBs you mentioned were from 20 years ago. The one recent example, was a guy who had drug issues and a horrible attitude and the rest weren't projected to do much in the pros. So I'd say Brees isn't the rare exception anymore.

And at this point, Murray has returned the signing bonus, and is missing spring training. It's completely conjecture on your part to suggest he's going back to baseball if he doesn't start. If anything, being drafted by a team that wants to play him at WR, RB, or slot will make him choose baseball. He said he's putting all of his energy into being a QB, not an NFL player.

And *if* the Ravens drafted him and he actually reported, they would not keep RG3. And it would not be feasible to have all 3 on the field. Yes they are fast, but they aren't route runners and they aren't polished pass catchers. It's the type of play that would work at best, once a season.

You know why? Because College programs realize these smurf QBs usually do not pan out in the pros because all of these guys in the past..

Did Kordell Stewart really know routes when he was a SLASH player??? Jackson and Murray are fast enough to be SLASH players and could drive teams batty.

Yeah Murray is saying he wants to put all his hopes into being a QB.He knows what to say from his agent,hoping to be a high pick. If he goes later and might have to ride the bench as a clipboard QB ,then Murray might sign for Baseball.

 

[timb2]

4th round continued...

111-Packers-Corbin Kaufusi DE BYU

112-Browns-Kendall Sheffield CB Ohio State

113-Vikings-Andre James OT UCLA

114-Titans-Elgton Jenkins C/OG Mississippi State

115-Steelers-Mike Weber RB Ohio State

116-Seahawks-Shareef Miller DE Penn State

117-Ravens-Deebo Samuel WR South Carolina

118-Broncos-Devin Singletary RB Florida Atlantic

119-Bears-Anthony Johnson WR Buffalo

120-Eagles-Clayton Thorson QB Northwestern

121-Colts-Corey Ballentine CB Washburn

122-Cowboys-Emmanuel Butler WR Northern Arizona
will post youtube later

 

[Manwiththeplan]

You know why? Because College programs realize these smurf QBs usually do not pan out in the pros because all of these guys in the past..

Did Kordell Stewart really know routes when he was a SLASH player??? Jackson and Murray are fast enough to be SLASH players and could drive teams batty.

Yeah Murray is saying he wants to put all his hopes into being a QB.He knows what to say from his agent,hoping to be a high pick. If he goes later and might have to ride the bench as a clipboard QB ,then Murray might sign for Baseball.

If he goes later sure. I admitted as much when I said being drafted by Baltimore would make him go back. But he has a better chance of going first overall than in the fourth.

And are you aware of Kordell Stewart's career numbers as a receiver are? His best season was 17 catches, 293 yards and 3 TDs. As a rookie where he earned the name, he had 14 catches for 235 yards and 1 TD.

 

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4th Round continued
123-Chargers-Mike Bell S Fresnop State

124-Bills-Jazz Ferguson WR Northwestern State

125-Giants-Keelan Doss WR UC-Davis

126-Rams-Christian Miller MLB Alabama

127-Patriots-John Commiskey DE Charleston


4th round comp picks(projection for picks not official)

a-Falcons-Amani Hooker S Iowa

b-Ravens-Gerald Willis DE Miami

c-Colts-Sutton Smith OLB Northern Illinois

d-Eagles-Marvell Tell S USC

e-Cowboys-Donald Parham TE Stetson
will post youtube later

f-Patriots-Patrick Laird RB California

 

[Sydla]

So you want a 2nd on a safety or a medical risk at DT? Abram is too much of a headhunter and the NFL is steering clear of these guys.If not, JJ Wilcox would still be here... Adderly? Is he really an improvement over Woods & Heath? Also Earl Thomas wants to be here.So who is the backup 2nd round pick??....

Possible pick.Simmons? He is a risk and he might bust if he isn't the same player. Also Marinelli already has proven you can find DTs off the street who can play just as well.


Yes it does make sense to get another good athlete who can play LB and rush the passer.


Another pass rusher in the 3rd round you want,but not the 2nd who can also play LB like I want?????

Yes, I'd use my 2nd on a S that would have a chance to start over a LB that will sit on the bench for at least 70+% of the snaps. If Thomas is a definite, then sure, that might change the equation a bit, but frankly, I think both S spots could be upgraded.

Yes, I'd take a risk on a guy with Top 15 talent in Simmons who has an injury issue. Kind of worked out for us with Jaylon Smith, right? And this idea that Marinelli turns crap into gold along the DL is kind of strange. Our best DL? Lawrence. A 2nd round pick. Our next most consistent DL? Probably Crawford. A 2nd round pick. Gregory? 2nd round pick. Collins? 3rd round pick. Yes, he got mileage out of Woods. But people overrate the level of slop Marinelli has turned into gold as if he's turned a rag tag roster of UDFAs and guys off the street into dominant DLs. He's actually had some decent talent to work with recently.

Omenihu is a pure DE. Your guy is an OLB. We play a 4-3 and don't blitz our LBs a lot. Omenihu fits better for this team than a LB in the 2nd that will play, maybe, 20% of the snap at LB and likely wouldn't play much DE at all. Your guy might be the 5th LB when all is said and done behind Smith, LVE, Lee, Thomas. That's horrible value with the 2nd round pick.

The only way that pick makes sense is if you believe that he will likely be a DE for us. Remember, the defensive coaches kind of balked at TJ Watt because the reports said they weren't sure where he fits in the defense. Walker is basically a clone of Watt.

 

[DanA]

I think so far I would have done the following:

Traded up for Irv Smith (50) using 2020 3rd

If not:
Rd 2: Adderley
RD3: Omenihu or Nauta
Rd 4: Deebo
Rd 4: Kaylen Saunders

 

[Canada180]

4th Round continued
123-Chargers-Mike Bell S Fresnop State

124-Bills-Jazz Ferguson WR Northwestern State

125-Giants-Keelan Doss WR UC-Davis

126-Rams-Christian Miller MLB Alabama

127-Patriots-John Commiskey DE Charleston


4th round comp picks(projection for picks not official)

a-Falcons-Amani Hooker S Iowa

b-Ravens-Gerald Willis DE Miami

c-Colts-Sutton Smith OLB Northern Illinois

d-Eagles-Marvell Tell S USC

e-Cowboys-Donald Parham TE Stetson
will post youtube later

f-Patriots-Patrick Laird RB California

I like the Parham pick

 

[timb2]

Yes, I'd use my 2nd on a S that would have a chance to start over a LB that will sit on the bench for at least 70+% of the snaps. If Thomas is a definite, then sure, that might change the equation a bit, but frankly, I think both S spots could be upgraded.

Yes, I'd take a risk on a guy with Top 15 talent in Simmons who has an injury issue. Kind of worked out for us with Jaylon Smith, right? And this idea that Marinelli turns crap into gold along the DL is kind of strange. Our best DL? Lawrence. A 2nd round pick. Our next most consistent DL? Probably Crawford. A 2nd round pick. Gregory? 2nd round pick. Collins? 3rd round pick. Yes, he got mileage out of Woods. But people overrate the level of slop Marinelli has turned into gold as if he's turned a rag tag roster of UDFAs and guys off the street into dominant DLs. He's actually had some decent talent to work with recently.

Omenihu is a pure DE. Your guy is an OLB. We play a 4-3 and don't blitz our LBs a lot. Omenihu fits better for this team than a LB in the 2nd that will play, maybe, 20% of the snap at LB and likely wouldn't play much DE at all. Your guy might be the 5th LB when all is said and done behind Smith, LVE, Lee, Thomas. That's horrible value with the 2nd round pick.

The only way that pick makes sense is if you believe that he will likely be a DE for us. Remember, the defensive coaches kind of balked at TJ Watt because the reports said they weren't sure where he fits in the defense. Walker is basically a clone of Watt.

We play the Tampa 2,that is 3 LBs. Walker adds bonus in both areas as a guy who can play LB or as a pass rush specialist putting his hand in the dirt.

Adderly comes from Delaware and so who in his conference has made him this WORLD -BEATER as a Safety???Powerhouses like UNC-Wilimiington? Drexel University? Elon? Hofstra? This is where the Northeast media overrates and hypes their players hoping for better recruits to sign with them.Big East did this crap for years. Who do you think makes better pro players My guy from the SEC or your guy in the Colonial Athletic???... Adderly I do not believe is big improvement over Woods or Heath. Earl Thomas on the way and Adderly sits the bench.

Simmons already was not going to be invited to the NFL Combine even though he was considered a TOP 15 pick before the ACL injury. Read between the lines,you know why? The NFL Combine refuses to invite players who have possible ties to gangs,high character risks. So Simmons besides the injury has a past that needs to get looked into. Besides character he might have to take 2 years to get fully healthy because that is the average for players to overcome knee injuries. If they can come back.

Yeah Marinelli got mileage out of Woods,also David Irving, Nick Hayden,Drake Nevis,Daniel Ross, Brian Price,etc. The list goes on... Why gamble on a medical risk who has character flaws also so high,when you have a solid player that competes right off the bat vs Damien Wilson & Sean Lee for that 3rd LB spot,who also becomes another pass rusher when needed???

 

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4A-Emmanuel Butler WR Northern Arizona


4B-Donald Parham TE Stetson