Timb2's Updated 1st round Mock Draft with Highlights

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Not only is Bucky Hodges not a first round pick, but you have him ahead of njouku? You have njouku out of the first? Carroll Phillips is not a first round pick. I have a 3/4 grade on him. Antonio Garcia a top ten pick? Seriously? This is one of the wackiest mocks I've seen and I didn't even address the Cleveland/Patriots trade.
 

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Should've just made a separate post with your pet cats and listed guys like Garcia and Hodges. Instead you put together the worst mock draft of 2017.

Derek Barnett barely runs under a 4.9 forty. Are you going to chance a 1st round pick on a guy who has no speed off the edge? Not me Taco Charlton is bigger and faster. How many RDEs are running 4.9s and starting in the NFL?
Chandler Jones ran a 4.87.
Markus Golden ran a 4.9
Frank Clark 4.8
 

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Damn. That was a PAINFULLY stupid mock. I mean...


Damn.
Yes it doesn't look like every other stupid mock out there. Lets draft guys who run slow also other players who will bring all this off field baggage that the organization will have to convince their community. "Never Mind Conley rape accusation"..;Never mind that Reuben Foster almost committed criminal assault at the combine,we saw him when he was in a good mood before the incident".....Yeah I mean what was I thinking when Dallas keeps getting slotted with pass rushing tweeners with no speed? Corner when this a deep corner draft and you can get value deep into the 4th round. When I can get some maniac who is going to end up in jail and become the next Randy Gregory with a fried brain being useless to the team. What was I thinking?
 

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Browns already have too many picks, they don't need to add any more. The 2018 first round will likely be in the 28+ range, so that's not a great selling point. I get that garapollo is the centerpiece of this trade, but the browns will be better served to trade up to take trubisky.
 

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Not only is Bucky Hodges not a first round pick, but you have him ahead of njouku? You have njouku out of the first? Carroll Phillips is not a first round pick. I have a 3/4 grade on him. Antonio Garcia a top ten pick? Seriously? This is one of the wackiest mocks I've seen and I didn't even address the Cleveland/Patriots trade.
Why is Njoku better please explain. He is shorter and and slower,he also has the same problem his blocking. So why is Njoku so much better? Carroll Phillips is explosive off the line .you can see he is fast off the edge. I kept looking for it vs Charles Harris & Derek Barnett...... Antonio Garcia let me guess he didn't play at a big college. You mean like Willie Roaf did as a OT(Louisiana Tech)? Maybe Erik Williams(Central State)? Maybe Larry Allen(Sonoma State)?
 

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Browns already have too many picks, they don't need to add any more. The 2018 first round will likely be in the 28+ range, so that's not a great selling point. I get that garapollo is the centerpiece of this trade, but the browns will be better served to trade up to take trubisky.
Browns need as many picks as possible if they want that franchise to be turned around. Garrapolo vs Trubisky that's not much of difference that I see. I appreciate your comment also.
 

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Why is Njoku better please explain. He is shorter and and slower,he also has the same problem his blocking. So why is Njoku so much better? Carroll Phillips is explosive off the line .you can see he is fast off the edge. I kept looking for it vs Charles Harris & Derek Barnett...... Antonio Garcia let me guess he didn't play at a big college. You mean like Willie Roaf did as a OT(Louisiana Tech)? Maybe Erik Williams(Central State)? Maybe Larry Allen(Sonoma State)?[/QUO
Why is Njoku better please explain. He is shorter and and slower,he also has the same problem his blocking. So why is Njoku so much better? Carroll Phillips is explosive off the line .you can see he is fast off the edge. I kept looking for it vs Charles Harris & Derek Barnett...... Antonio Garcia let me guess he didn't play at a big college. You mean like Willie Roaf did as a OT(Louisiana Tech)? Maybe Erik Williams(Central State)? Maybe Larry Allen(Sonoma State)?
Ugh...I'm not going to get into a debate over this. Just get back to me tmrw night after the conclusion of the first round.
 

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Should've just made a separate post with your pet cats and listed guys like Garcia and Hodges. Instead you put together the worst mock draft of 2017.


Chandler Jones ran a 4.87.
Markus Golden ran a 4.9
Frank Clark 4.8


Charles Haley 4.5
Demarcus Ware 4.5
Reggie White 4.6

which trio looks more dominant ?
 

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Browns need as many picks as possible if they want that franchise to be turned around. Garrapolo vs Trubisky that's not much of difference that I see. I appreciate your comment also.
14 picks this year?!?!!?!
 

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Charles Haley 4.5
Demarcus Ware 4.5
Reggie White 4.6

which trio looks more dominant ?
That......has nothing to do with the argument. I just listed 3 young talented DE's who all have 40 time's similar to Barnett.

40's don't define a pass rusher dude.
 

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Ugh...I'm not going to get into a debate over this. Just get back to me tmrw night after the conclusion of the first round.
You can't explain can you? I don't need to get back at you tomorrow night.You can get back at me in 4 years when these players are peaking in the NFL. Im sure the draft will go like all the zombies have mocked but it doesn't mean you are right. I got in an argument a few years ago with that CowboyRoy troll a couple of years ago on another website. He loved Johnny Manzeil and I wanted this other QB that they were not hyping as much. I wanted Derek Carr for the Cowboys. I saw his tape and realized people were comparing him to his brother David and writing him off. Yeah the draft will go the way of everyone else,but doesn't mean these players are going to pan out.
 

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That......has nothing to do with the argument. I just listed 3 young talented DE's who all have 40 time's similar to Barnett.

40's don't define a pass rusher dude.
Those 3 I posted are in the HOF or going there
 

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14 picks this year?!?!!?!
Yes Cleveland is that bad. The more picks the better for them . They need a QB and also you see Garrett one player vs getting 7. Get the 7 is what I would do.
 

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You can't explain can you? I don't need to get back at you tomorrow night.You can get back at me in 4 years when these players are peaking in the NFL. Im sure the draft will go like all the zombies have mocked but it doesn't mean you are right. I got in an argument a few years ago with that CowboyRoy troll a couple of years ago on another website. He loved Johnny Manzeil and I wanted this other QB that they were not hyping as much. I wanted Derek Carr for the Cowboys. I saw his tape and realized people were comparing him to his brother David and writing him off. Yeah the draft will go the way of everyone else,but doesn't mean these players are going to pan out.
You're reaching for players that can be had later in the draft. I'm not saying the players you selected aren't going to be good, I'm just saying that you're not getting the best value.
 

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Yes Cleveland is that bad. The more picks the better for them . They need a QB and also you see Garrett one player vs getting 7. Get the 7 is what I would do.
I realize they have ton of cap space, but I can't imagine any team investing so much money to their rookie pool.
 

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Derek Barnett barely runs under a 4.9 forty. Are you going to chance a 1st round pick on a guy who has no speed off the edge? Not me Taco Charlton is bigger and faster. How many RDEs are running 4.9s and starting in the NFL?
DE don't need to have a very fast 40 time to get to the qb. It is better to have 10-20 yd split and production in college. Barrett's production was better than most DE in this draft and he did it in one of the best conferences. I will take that any day.
 

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DE don't need to have a very fast 40 time to get to the qb. It is better to have 10-20 yd split and production in college. Barrett's production was better than most DE in this draft and he did it in one of the best conferences. I will take that any day.
DE don't need to have a very fast 40 time to get to the qb. It is better to have 10-20 yd split and production in college. Barrett's production was better than most DE in this draft and he did it in one of the best conferences. I will take that any day.
Yes Jethro Franklin at Fresno State from back in the day had 21 sacks his senior year. He didn't have any speed also running a 5.0 forty. Great college player but not a NFL player, .The NFL game is fast,everyone is fast. Ok Derek Barnett with his 4.9 speed vs the Saints left tackle Terron Armstead who runs a 4.69 forty. So do you think Barnett is going to fly by him? How about Charles Harris with his 4.8 speed??? Ok let's go to the Eagles RT Lane Johnson running a 4.72 forty. how will they do againist are division rival Johnson ???
 

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30-Steelers- Carroll Phillips OLB Illinois

Really?

Phillips is an interesting player, but he is basically guaranteed to be available at the end of the 2nd round and probably even later.
 
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