Timb2's Updated 1st round Mock Draft with Highlights

[cds99]

No Charles Harris 1st round?

 

[TNCowboy]

If you made this mock just for fun, great. If you made it expecting it to be anywhere near what will happen, it's just dreadful.

 

[DFWJC]

OK Bucky Hodges runs a 4.5 forty he is bigger and faster than Njoku. Evan Engram is only 230 lbs and they have tried to put weight on him since his sophomore year with no success. Hodges reminds me of Jimmy Graham. He doesn't get the hype but he is just as good as them.

Safeties usually do not go high. Yes Adams is very good but is he really the dominant player they are hyping ? He is good but is he that much more special than other safeties in this draft?Is there really a dropoff from the other safeties in this draft?

Antonio "freaking" Garcia has not allowed a sack in almost 1000 snaps,thats including 3 All-American pass rushers Shaq Lawson(1st round)-,Kevin Dodd(2nd round) and Tarell Basham (rated and 2nd-3rd round pick). He doesn't have the baggage of Cam Robinson has also.

Ok tim.
If these are YOUR choices and not how you think things will go (which are what most mocks are), then I say go for it.

I'm just telling you there is no chance that Garcia is 6th overall in this draft, and Hodges isn't going in the top 20 either.
I have no problem with those players later in the draft. I like them both, actually.

 

[Angus12]

Sorry. Just had to come in and look at this debacle one more time.

 

[AsthmaField]

I've been working on my people skills and trying to be less aggressive towards my fellow man... but what the **** was that?

Evaluating draft prospects on their combine measurables is the worst. I mean... just the worst. If it was as easy as simply testing the athleticism of prospects and drafting the biggest, fastest, quickest prospects, everyone would be able to draft well. But it's not, and even guys working in the NFL make more mistakes than they have hits.

There is so much more than athleticism that makes a great football player and it is crazy difficult to find those players.

Shante Carver - Had a ton of sacks at Arizona State. Ran slow at the combine. Sucked like a Hoover.

Terrell Suggs - Had a ton of sacks at Arizona State. Ran even slower at the combine (couldn't even get below 5.0). Probable Hall of Famer.

Mike Mamula - Blew up the combine with insane speed and athleticism but had little college production. Awful football player.

Zach Thomas - Small, no speed, short arms... Very good player for a long time.

DeMarcus Ware - Great tester at the combine from a small school. Great football player and possible Hall of Famer.

The point is, athletic measurables don't make or break a prospect. A guy with great college production who has a great combine? Sign me up. Everyone would say sign me up. A player who didn't do a lot in college and then bombs at the combine? Well, everyone knows to stay away from those.

Everyone else is what we're talking about here.

If you looked at that list of players I made and dug into their football IQ, general intellect, off field behavior, love of the game and their desire to be great and then watched their college film, I think things would make a lot more sense. Football is more mental than physical in a lot of ways. The successful guys typically have a knack for playing the sport. Just an understanding of the game. The angles to take. A natural feel for leverage and how to get the man across from them at a disadvantage using all of those intangibles.

If you don't have any of that, then IMO, you don't stand much of a chance to be anything more than a journeyman type of player. Maybe a smart coach takes an athletic guy without those intangibles and give him one thing to do that takes thinking out of the equation and he plays well. That happens way, way less than it doesn't though.

Conversely, you can't be completely un-athletic and succeed in the NFL either. You need both but not in equal measures. Natural football players can get by with much less athleticism than those that aren't. Great athletes don't have to have the football acumen that lesser athletes do in order to do well.

Also, keep in mind that speed/explosion doesn't always equal athleticism. Just because someone runs a little faster than another guy doesn't automatically make him more athletic. Terrell Suggs is a great athlete. Some guys who can't jump that high are terrific athletes (Ezekiel Elliott for instance).

All of this brings me to Barnett and Njoku.

Barnett is simply a very good football player. His 4.88 isn't great but he is a really good athlete. However, what makes him so good at football is his understanding of leverage, angles, his anticipation and understanding of what the offense is trying to do. Like I said earlier... putting the man across from him at a disadvantage from play to play. Leverage, angles, anticipation and football acumen all can do that just as easily as a great first step. That 4.88 is a very small part of the package that you'd be getting with him.

Barnett is a terrific football player and I'd be more than shocked if he fell out of the first round.

As for Njoku, if you watch him play, it becomes immediately clear that he is extremely athletic. The way he moves and some of the things he does on the field are more than just athletic. He's oozing with skills.

He didn't run as fast at the combine as people thought but that doesn't mean that he's a lesser athlete than someone who ran a tenth of a second faster than him in yoga pants. He is a mismatch nightmare in the NFL.

Anyway, this post has become way too long already so I'll stop here... but this is a subject that I feel strongly about and could probably ramble on for a good long time.

 

[timb2]

I've been working on my people skills and trying to be less aggressive towards my fellow man... but what the **** was that?

Evaluating draft prospects on their combine measurables is the worst. I mean... just the worst. If it was as easy as simply testing the athleticism of prospects and drafting the biggest, fastest, quickest prospects, everyone would be able to draft well. But it's not, and even guys working in the NFL make more mistakes than they have hits.

There is so much more than athleticism that makes a great football player and it is crazy difficult to find those players.

Shante Carver - Had a ton of sacks at Arizona State. Ran slow at the combine. Sucked like a Hoover.

Terrell Suggs - Had a ton of sacks at Arizona State. Ran even slower at the combine (couldn't even get below 5.0). Probable Hall of Famer.

Mike Mamula - Blew up the combine with insane speed and athleticism but had little college production. Awful football player.

Zach Thomas - Small, no speed, short arms... Very good player for a long time.

DeMarcus Ware - Great tester at the combine from a small school. Great football player and possible Hall of Famer.

The point is, athletic measurables don't make or break a prospect. A guy with great college production who has a great combine? Sign me up. Everyone would say sign me up. A player who didn't do a lot in college and then bombs at the combine? Well, everyone knows to stay away from those.

Everyone else is what we're talking about here.

If you looked at that list of players I made and dug into their football IQ, general intellect, off field behavior, love of the game and their desire to be great and then watched their college film, I think things would make a lot more sense. Football is more mental than physical in a lot of ways. The successful guys typically have a knack for playing the sport. Just an understanding of the game. The angles to take. A natural feel for leverage and how to get the man across from them at a disadvantage using all of those intangibles.

If you don't have any of that, then IMO, you don't stand much of a chance to be anything more than a journeyman type of player. Maybe a smart coach takes an athletic guy without those intangibles and give him one thing to do that takes thinking out of the equation and he plays well. That happens way, way less than it doesn't though.

Conversely, you can't be completely un-athletic and succeed in the NFL either. You need both but not in equal measures. Natural football players can get by with much less athleticism than those that aren't. Great athletes don't have to have the football acumen that lesser athletes do in order to do well.

Also, keep in mind that speed/explosion doesn't always equal athleticism. Just because someone runs a little faster than another guy doesn't automatically make him more athletic. Terrell Suggs is a great athlete. Some guys who can't jump that high are terrific athletes (Ezekiel Elliott for instance).

All of this brings me to Barnett and Njoku.

Barnett is simply a very good football player. His 4.88 isn't great but he is a really good athlete. However, what makes him so good at football is his understanding of leverage, angles, his anticipation and understanding of what the offense is trying to do. Like I said earlier... putting the man across from him at a disadvantage from play to play. Leverage, angles, anticipation and football acumen all can do that just as easily as a great first step. That 4.88 is a very small part of the package that you'd be getting with him.

Barnett is a terrific football player and I'd be more than shocked if he fell out of the first round.

As for Njoku, if you watch him play, it becomes immediately clear that he is extremely athletic. The way he moves and some of the things he does on the field are more than just athletic. He's oozing with skills.

He didn't run as fast at the combine as people thought but that doesn't mean that he's a lesser athlete than someone who ran a tenth of a second faster than him in yoga pants. He is a mismatch nightmare in the NFL.

Anyway, this post has become way too long already so I'll stop here... but this is a subject that I feel strongly about and could probably ramble on for a good long time.

...OK if Derek Barnett is such a great pass rusher then logic is that he is better than Myles Garrett and he should go 1st overall then???? Why not??? He broke Reggie White's sack record at Tennessee and he is a player because everyone preaches it. Why isn't he 1st overall then over Myles Garrett??? Because he is slow and that is why.i do not want to get pawned off on some cement foot football player who can't run.

 

[timb2]

Bucky Hodges is bigger and faster than Njoku 4.57 vs 4.64 at the combine. Njoku is good,I just think Hodges will better as a pro player. Hodges is tall at almost 6ft-7inches.he is a safety's matchup nightmare. This guy is fast and he is most likely 3-5 inches taller than most safeties and he can jump with long arms.

POINT BLANK-ARE YOU TAKING DEREK BARNETT OR MYLES GARRETT ? They are both on the board when you can pick,who are you taking??? You know it ,You are taking Myles Garrett because he is taller and faster,but this won't work Hodges vs Njoku is which I still do not understand.Just because Mayok,Kiper,Jermiah,Brooks say it this way doesn't mean it should be this way.

 

[timb2]

3-4 years from now you will say we could have had this guy in the 2017 draft but we wanted this slow footed jebrone who couldn't even run a 4.7 forty or we wanted Randy Gregory to have a pot buddy.

 

[xwalker]

Bucky Hodges is bigger and faster than Njoku 4.57 vs 4.64 at the combine. Njoku is good,I just think Hodges will better as a pro player. Hodges is tall at almost 6ft-7inches.he is a safety's matchup nightmare. This guy is fast and he is most likely 3-5 inches taller than most safeties and he can jump with long arms.

POINT BLANK-ARE YOU TAKING DEREK BARNETT OR MYLES GARRETT ? They are both on the board when you can pick,who are you taking??? You know it ,You are taking Myles Garrett because he is taller and faster,but this won't work Hodges vs Njoku is which I still do not understand.Just because Mayok,Kiper,Jermiah,Brooks say it this way doesn't mean it should be this way.

Myles Garrett was the top ranked DE long before the combine.

1. Game film.
2. Measurable(s)
3. Mental Makeup (This is 1A for QBs)
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College Production

Your method would have had Bruce Carter as a top 5 pick and AOA as a 1st rounder.

 

[timb2]

Ok tim.
If these are YOUR choices and not how you think things will go (which are what most mocks are), then I say go for it.

I'm just telling you there is no chance that Garcia is 6th overall in this draft, and Hodges isn't going in the top 20 either.
I have no problem with those players later in the draft. I like them both, actually.

I agree Garcia probably will not go 1st round,but when they do those redrafts of how it should have gone,I believe Garcia should have been there. He doesn't have the baggage of Cam Robinson and he has talent good size 6ft-6inches,303 lbs ran a decent 5.15 forty and him taking on Lawson & Dodd and shutting them both down in their senior years on those highlights when they are both wanting to make stats at his expense. Who is going to think there was a player at Troy would stymie them??

 

[Angus12]

Anthony Fasano is bigger and faster than Jason Witten.

Damn it. We kept the wrong TE.

 

[timb2]

Taco.... Ain't the pick

You think so?????

 

[NEODOG]

When Conley went..... It was apparently obvious

 

[NEODOG]

You think so?????

Hey.... You did good


One HR & bunch of strikeouts..... Battling under 200, maybe ESPN can hire you as Mel missed bigtime