Time to give up on this defense

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The front office really botched putting together this defense. It really all starts with injury prone Sean Lee and soon to be bust Bruce Carter.

Combined with our complete disinterest with drafting defensive linemen* since Anthony Spencer.

This team has not made any real effort to transition properly from 3-4 to 4-3.

This is our 2nd year since moving to the 4-3, and how many front seven draft picks have we had in the first 3 rounds of the draft?

Just one... and it was a second round draft pick... I was and still am completely sold on the drafting of Frederick and Martin, but looking back at things (though I'm excited about both players) drafting Williams and Escobar instead of defensive players wasn't thought through. Then we drafted Devin Street with this years 5th rounder. He'll be lucky to see any significant playing time, but if he does end up playing a lot, it'll probably spell bad news for us.

For the defensive line we need to stop relying on bargain bin players to somehow contribute. I think Marinelli has been a bit overrated in terms of being able to get players to out produce their abilities. Hopefully I can eat crow for saying that. I think we were wrong to buy into the hype from guys like Romo on Crawford. This guy just isn't a dynamic player, and that is exactly why he hasn't been penciled in for any starting position on the line, despite having no solid starters at numerous spots. It's time to stop this and focus on bringing in some real talent. Hopefully we'll be able to get away with Lawrence and Melton for half the line, but we at least need to draft a quality defensive end next year early to man that left end spot.

Sean Lee isn't cost prohibitive and won't be for a long time, but at this point he shouldn't be relied on to start 16 games. Which means you need to bring in 3 linebackers still. Though maybe that won't be the case. Maybe we'll see McClain and Durant show that they can be 2 solid linebackers for us and all we need to do is bring in another linebacker, who can step up when (not if) Sean Lee is hurt again. Would have been really nice to get CJ Mosley, but I'm still glad we drafted Martin.

In the secondary we're paying Carr to be the 5th highest paid corner in the league... He isn't the 5th best corner, and unless he improves greatly this year, he needs to be gone next year. Unfortunately there is a lot of dead money associated with cutting him. If we cut Carr next year, we'll just break even, but we could open up almost 14 million dollars against the cap in 2016. We could also make him a June 1st cut next year which I believe would cost us about 5 million in 2015 and 7.5 million in 2016. That would give us an additional 7 million dollars to spend in free agency next year, and then another 6 million in 2016, followed by 12 million in 2017. Carr has easily been one of the worst signings in a long time. Largely going under the radar too.

2015 is Claiborne's last year on contract with the Cowboys. I would hope to trade him if he can put together a solid 2014 season. Trade him to a team that wants man corners.

The Patriots wanted to improve their secondary this year, they went out and got Revis and Browner... two proven corners, who fit their scheme. Claiborne and Carr should have been replaced when the Cowboys decided to go to a Tampa 2 system... again, no high draft picks on corners since the switch to the 4-3.

Basically what happened is we rested on our laurels and hoped players would just play to expectations and stay healthy when they've never proven they can. We're going to have to hope that the offense is a juggernaut this year.

Since they fired Rob Ryan without cause I would say, these are the top 3 round draft picks we've spent on defense:

JJ Wilcox
DeMarcus Lawrence


2 draft picks for a team desperate in need of help on defense...In those same two years we've drafted 4 players on the offense in the first 3 rounds.
 

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You can't address everything in one year. Their willingness to drop the big contract veterans, and draft defensive players with the majority of their picks leads me to believe that the next few years will be dedicated to improving the defense. Or TE of course...
 

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I've mentioned this before, we have drafted great on offense. However, we are putrid to outright terrible on defense. And the front office wants to get this defense up and running with Kiffen? FO is a joke and they really need to wake the F*** up.

I'm not going to blame Kiffen or Marinneli. Two years in a row and this front office hasn't given them the tools necessary to improve this defense.

Not a single offensive player should be taken in the draft next year and at least 3 solid veterans should be added to the starting roster, if not 4.

At this point unless we get lucky, it'll take another two years to field a solid defense. Romo is going to have to be a miracle worker this year and next, and we'll be lucky if he can just stay healthy...
 

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You can't address everything in one year. Their willingness to drop the big contract veterans, and draft defensive players with the majority of their picks leads me to believe that the next few years will be dedicated to improving the defense. Or TE of course...

As I said, in two years since moving to the 4-3, they've barely done anything to facilitate the move.
 

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I would like a new head coach and defensive staff to start from scratch. Like you said, too many fragile China dolls all over the place to ever get any traction anywhere.

Much of the problem is what do you do with Romo and Bryant. The last thing you want for them is to change the offensive system. So do you bring in a new coach and keep Linehan? I guess that is a possibility, but I'd be hesitant to get a new offensive coordinator at this point.

But yeah, as much as I was excited about running the Tampa 2 here, I don't think we need to be beholden to any of the defensive coaches.
 

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As I said, in two years since moving to the 4-3, they've barely done anything to facilitate the move.

I think this is the first year they started addressing it. Last year they were hoping to squeeze what little they could out of the veterans they had left...
That obviously didn't work.
 

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Well I for one am done talking about how bad we are, I know it, if we were anything better than the 26th defense I would be in shock. But you know there are going to be hundreds of threads this season about how the defense is so bad, can't stop that in any way.
 

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I think this is the first year they started addressing it. Last year they was hoping to squeeze what little they could out of the veterans they had left...
That obviously didn't work.

But they didn't make any changes at corner. We had two man coverage corners who were terrible in zone coverage, and certainly not the best tacklers either. Corners we were paying an arm and a leg for. We should have cut ties with Carr last year, and definitely after the year he had last year. Stunned that he is still on the team with the same salary cap figure.

The failure to get a 3rd linebacker this year was also a huge mistep. People are getting excited for durant this year, but lets not forget his play last year, which left a lot to be desired.

They could have been more aggressive in free agency this year for the defense as well, but we didn't really see that. They decided not to make a run for it this year, which I think is a slap in Romo's face as well as the fans, who know Romo is our best chance at a super bowl.
 

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You can't address everything in one year. Their willingness to drop the big contract veterans, and draft defensive players with the majority of their picks leads me to believe that the next few years will be dedicated to improving the defense. Or TE of course...

the problem with that is that by that time Romo will be in the twilight years of his career at best and very well could be retired.
 

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I was fine with letting D Ware walk but we should've had a better plan then overpay for a rookie and bring in nothing but scrubs.

We have the worst luck with rookies staying healthy so I don't why we decided to put all of our eggs in that basket.
 

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The front office really botched putting together this defense. It really all starts with injury prone Sean Lee and soon to be bust Bruce Carter.

Combined with our complete disinterest with drafting defensive linemen* since Anthony Spencer.

This team has not made any real effort to transition properly from 3-4 to 4-3.

This is our 2nd year since moving to the 4-3, and how many front seven draft picks have we had in the first 3 rounds of the draft?

Just one... and it was a second round draft pick... I was and still am completely sold on the drafting of Frederick and Martin, but looking back at things (though I'm excited about both players) drafting Williams and Escobar instead of defensive players wasn't thought through. Then we drafted Devin Street with this years 5th rounder. He'll be lucky to see any significant playing time, but if he does end up playing a lot, it'll probably spell bad news for us.

For the defensive line we need to stop relying on bargain bin players to somehow contribute. I think Marinelli has been a bit overrated in terms of being able to get players to out produce their abilities. Hopefully I can eat crow for saying that. I think we were wrong to buy into the hype from guys like Romo on Crawford. This guy just isn't a dynamic player, and that is exactly why he hasn't been penciled in for any starting position on the line, despite having no solid starters at numerous spots. It's time to stop this and focus on bringing in some real talent. Hopefully we'll be able to get away with Lawrence and Melton for half the line, but we at least need to draft a quality defensive end next year early to man that left end spot.

Sean Lee isn't cost prohibitive and won't be for a long time, but at this point he shouldn't be relied on to start 16 games. Which means you need to bring in 3 linebackers still. Though maybe that won't be the case. Maybe we'll see McClain and Durant show that they can be 2 solid linebackers for us and all we need to do is bring in another linebacker, who can step up when (not if) Sean Lee is hurt again. Would have been really nice to get CJ Mosley, but I'm still glad we drafted Martin.

In the secondary we're paying Carr to be the 5th highest paid corner in the league... He isn't the 5th best corner, and unless he improves greatly this year, he needs to be gone next year. Unfortunately there is a lot of dead money associated with cutting him. If we cut Carr next year, we'll just break even, but we could open up almost 14 million dollars against the cap in 2016. We could also make him a June 1st cut next year which I believe would cost us about 5 million in 2015 and 7.5 million in 2016. That would give us an additional 7 million dollars to spend in free agency next year, and then another 6 million in 2016, followed by 12 million in 2017. Carr has easily been one of the worst signings in a long time. Largely going under the radar too.

2015 is Claiborne's last year on contract with the Cowboys. I would hope to trade him if he can put together a solid 2014 season. Trade him to a team that wants man corners.

The Patriots wanted to improve their secondary this year, they went out and got Revis and Browner... two proven corners, who fit their scheme. Claiborne and Carr should have been replaced when the Cowboys decided to go to a Tampa 2 system... again, no high draft picks on corners since the switch to the 4-3.

Basically what happened is we rested on our laurels and hoped players would just play to expectations and stay healthy when they've never proven they can. We're going to have to hope that the offense is a juggernaut this year.

Since they fired Rob Ryan without cause I would say, these are the top 3 round draft picks we've spent on defense:

JJ Wilcox
DeMarcus Lawrence


2 draft picks for a team desperate in need of help on defense...In those same two years we've drafted 4 players on the offense in the first 3 rounds.

I would just start the analysis at the time that they switched to the 4-3. About the only thing they could have done differently was to draft a defensive player instead of Escobar, but apparently they didn't like any of the defensive players in that range based on the leaked draft board.

Regardless of scheme, it would have been hard to be prepared for losing Ratliff, Josh Brent, Spencer, Ware and Hatcher. They did have draft picks Crawford and Wilber. They aparently started considering Kiffin back around November of 2012. They would have projected the 7 above mentioned players for the DL going into the 4-3. Some teams only carry 8 DL total.

Offenses generally take longer to build. OLines generally take longer to come together than DLines. The league is very offensively driven these days. You have to be able to score to keep up because the rules prevent lock down defenses.

Marinelli has said that they will play a lot of man coverage. All teams play some of both. The Cowboys played primarily man in more than one game last season.

Carr should be good if the surrounding players are decent. Last year he tried to do too much and the surrounding defense was in chaos with both the scheme change and the massive amount of roster turnover during the season.

Claiborne is a decent CB to have on the roster. He just isn't as good as his draft spot, but his draft spot is irrelevant in 2014.

They are trying to assemble a base on defense of players that understand the scheme and can execute it reasonably well. If they can do that this season, then in the off-season they can focus on a few specific needs which can be filled in free agency or the draft. They need stability on the defense. They can add some star power next year in free agency if needed.

The biggest problem this season is a temporary one and that's being without Lawrence and Scandrick to start the season.

They have players that have demonstrated reasonable NFL ability at most positions. They just don't have a lot of Star players. If you say that Carr is not a reasonable NFL CB, then you are being unreasonable.
 

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Much of the problem is what do you do with Romo and Bryant. The last thing you want for them is to change the offensive system. So do you bring in a new coach and keep Linehan? I guess that is a possibility, but I'd be hesitant to get a new offensive coordinator at this point.

But yeah, as much as I was excited about running the Tampa 2 here, I don't think we need to be beholden to any of the defensive coaches.

Why hesitant with Romo and Dez? Both are going to be hundred millionaires. They need to be able to learn a new offense of necessary. I'm tired of "newness" being used as an excuse for this team. Saints switched to the 34 with average personnel and flourished.
 

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Why hesitant with Romo and Dez? Both are going to be hundred millionaires. They need to be able to learn a new offense of necessary. I'm tired of "newness" being used as an excuse for this team. Saints switched to the 34 with average personnel and flourished.

Offense is different from Defense. Asking a QB and WR to learn a new system, especially a veteran like Romo... you're taking a way a huge edge for them. On defense, in a lot of ways you just have to play your part. Offenses have to be more in tune.
 
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