Time to nip the Floyd v Frederick pick

[Bware_Dware]

I am merely posting this so we can quit with the "we didn't follow our board and draft BPA"

We drafted Frederick bc our biggest need was on the Oline and we had him graded fairly high. And lets not forget the Cowboys were not the only team drafting. There usually is a reason a player slips so far especially without any character concerns. If Floyd is what many praise him to be then why would every other team let him slip by them and not trade up for him

I am a firm believer in drafting BPA. But when you have a greater need for another area and you can get that player in that area by trading back.... It's almost a no brainer

Is Floyd going to be a bust? Probably not. Is Floyd going to help our franchise QB from breaking yet another bone? NO.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Yes, this post is going to stop the debate.

 

[Bware_Dware]

Yes, this post is going to stop the debate.

And yours will surely offer....

What's your thoughts?

 

[DFWJC]

The premis that he "slipped for a reason" does not hold water when you see that in fact dallas DID have him ranked in the top 5.

Dallas liked the player A LOT.

They just thought they could get oline help and also get a two for one deal by trading down....so they did.
If a team trades down, away from the BPA, then the issue no longer is whether or not they took BPA at that spot (because they traded the pick away), but whether or not they got good value for the trade and resulting picks.

That can and will be debated for years to come.

It's over now, so we all do know one thing: Frederick and Williams are Cowboys and Floyd is not. We'll see how it plays out.

Hopefully our guys will be great.

 

[xwalker]

I am merely posting this so we can quit with the "we didn't follow our board and draft BPA"

We drafted Frederick bc our biggest need was on the Oline and we had him graded fairly high. And lets not forget the Cowboys were not the only team drafting. There usually is a reason a player slips so far especially without any character concerns. If Floyd is what many praise him to be then why would every other team let him slip by them and not trade up for him

I am a firm believer in drafting BPA. But when you have a greater need for another area and you can get that player in that area by trading back.... It's almost a no brainer

Is Floyd going to be a bust? Probably not. Is Floyd going to help our franchise QB from breaking yet another bone? NO.

The whole point of making trades is to match BPA to need.

 

[DenCWBY]

I am merely posting this so we can quit with the "we didn't follow our board and draft BPA"

We drafted Frederick bc our biggest need was on the Oline and we had him graded fairly high. And lets not forget the Cowboys were not the only team drafting. There usually is a reason a player slips so far especially without any character concerns. If Floyd is what many praise him to be then why would every other team let him slip by them and not trade up for him

I am a firm believer in drafting BPA. But when you have a greater need for another area and you can get that player in that area by trading back.... It's almost a no brainer

Is Floyd going to be a bust? Probably not. Is Floyd going to help our franchise QB from breaking yet another bone? NO.

Dude, I think this was pretty much a dormant subject until now.
The only reason it will stay dead is if both players thrive or die (together) during their careers. If one is exceptionally better than the other at each of their respective positions, you'll hear about it on the CZ later this year.
In fact I'll bet if Floyd gets 4 or more sacks in the 4 preseason games, you'll hear about it in the zone.
Stay tuned.

 

[speedkilz88]

Maybe we should have an over/under on how many sacks Floyd gets this year.

 

[AsthmaField]

lets not forget the Cowboys were not the only team drafting. There usually is a reason a player slips so far especially without any character concerns. If Floyd is what many praise him to be then why would every other team let him slip by them and not trade up for him

In my mind, probably the biggest indictment on Floyd's NFL ability is that Pittsburgh and the NY Giants both passed on him. Both of those franchises absolutely love to nab highly ranked prospects that are sliding for one reason or another... and they both love to draft (collect) defensive linemen.

Throw in that in Pittsburgh's case, they instead took a player that ran a more than pedestrian 40 which had scared off numerous teams, and it becomes clear that Floyd didn't fit in that "highly ranked prospect that had fallen" category for them.

The same could be said for NY who took an OL that many had ranked much lower than where they took him. If they had thought Floyd was what many are making him out to be, I really can't see them passing on him for a player of Pugh's ilk.

Speaking for myself, I have pretty much chalked it up to a bunch of draft experts who have built Floyd up to be something that he isn't. Fact is, he's a big, wide-bodied guy who will be very good against the run and won't provide very much in the pass rush.

Jimmy Johnson said during his time in Dallas that run stoppers are a dime-a-dozen and that it is the pass rusher that you pay for. Apparently, many in the NFL still feel that same way.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Maybe we should have an over/under on how many sacks Floyd gets this year.

vs how many Frederick gives up?

 

[Hoofbite]

Cowboys ducked out on BPA in the 1st, supposedly opting for need but then did the complete opposite in the 2nd and 3rd round.

Both BPA and Need camps should be pleasantly pissed.

 

[Idgit]

Cowboys ducked out on BPA in the 1st, supposedly opting for need but then did the complete opposite in the 2nd and 3rd round.

Both BPA and Need camps should be pleasantly pissed.

That's a fairly-commonly stated philosophy for the draft, though, to fill your major need in the first-via trade if you have to to make it work, and then go BPA thereafter once the walk-in starters are primarily gone.

 

[Eskimo]

If you look at the reconstructed Dallas draft board from the War Room pictures you will see that when Dallas traded back to #31, Frederick was actually the BPA on our draft board. So there can be little doubt that we did not "reach" for him at all. This is where we had him ranked and when we drafted him he was #1 on our board.

You can debate whether the scouts/GM/coaches did a good job putting the board together but even that is hard to say. You can re-assess in 3 years but some players that seem to have worked well in one scheme on another team may not have worked out well here. The art of the draft is finding players who can fit in your system and provide appropriate value by getting onto the field early and frequently while playing at a high level.

 

[RastaRocket]

Maybe we should have an over/under on how many sacks Floyd gets this year.

1.5

I'll go under.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

If we strictly followed BPA there's a chance we would not have drafted an OL. Personally, I would not have cared if we had taken a consensus undrafted free agent talent with the number one pick in the entire draft to avoid that scenario. Whether Fred is a star, a bust, or Floyd is Rookie of the Year I am FINE with it as long as something is different than us trotting out the same offensive line.

 

[mmillman]

they passed on eifert also

 

[DFWJC]

In my mind, probably the biggest indictment on Floyd's NFL ability is that Pittsburgh and the NY Giants both passed on him. Both of those franchises absolutely love to nab highly ranked prospects that are sliding for one reason or another... and they both love to draft (collect) defensive linemen.

Throw in that in Pittsburgh's case, they instead took a player that ran a more than pedestrian 40 which had scared off numerous teams, and it becomes clear that Floyd didn't fit in that "highly ranked prospect that had fallen" category for them.

The same could be said for NY who took an OL that many had ranked much lower than where they took him. If they had thought Floyd was what many are making him out to be, I really can't see them passing on him for a player of Pugh's ilk.

Speaking for myself, I have pretty much chalked it up to a bunch of draft experts who have built Floyd up to be something that he isn't. Fact is, he's a big, wide-bodied guy who will be very good against the run and won't provide very much in the pass rush.

Jimmy Johnson said during his time in Dallas that run stoppers are a dime-a-dozen and that it is the pass rusher that you pay for. Apparently, many in the NFL still feel that same way.

Regardless of what anyone else thought of of Floyd, we had him ranked 5th in the entire draft.

Plus, Pittsburgh runs a 3-4. Floyd is a 4-3 DT, IMO.
New York has too very you g DTs and loved Pugh, so I understand (sort of) why the passed.

 

[skinsscalper]

In my mind, probably the biggest indictment on Floyd's NFL ability is that Pittsburgh and the NY Giants both passed on him. Both of those franchises absolutely love to nab highly ranked prospects that are sliding for one reason or another... and they both love to draft (collect) defensive linemen.

Throw in that in Pittsburgh's case, they instead took a player that ran a more than pedestrian 40 which had scared off numerous teams, and it becomes clear that Floyd didn't fit in that "highly ranked prospect that had fallen" category for them.

The same could be said for NY who took an OL that many had ranked much lower than where they took him. If they had thought Floyd was what many are making him out to be, I really can't see them passing on him for a player of Pugh's ilk.

Speaking for myself, I have pretty much chalked it up to a bunch of draft experts who have built Floyd up to be something that he isn't. Fact is, he's a big, wide-bodied guy who will be very good against the run and won't provide very much in the pass rush.

Jimmy Johnson said during his time in Dallas that run stoppers are a dime-a-dozen and that it is the pass rusher that you pay for. Apparently, many in the NFL still feel that same way.

I haven't posted much on the boards lately, but I just have to say that this is an outstanding post, bro. It doesn't matter what side of the fence that you are on regarding the issue. Your post was thought provoking and well written. Nice job man.

 

[Hoofbite]

If you look at the reconstructed Dallas draft board from the War Room pictures you will see that when Dallas traded back to #31, Frederick was actually the BPA on our draft board. So there can be little doubt that we did not "reach" for him at all. This is where we had him ranked and when we drafted him he was #1 on our board.

You can debate whether the scouts/GM/coaches did a good job putting the board together but even that is hard to say. You can re-assess in 3 years but some players that seem to have worked well in one scheme on another team may not have worked out well here. The art of the draft is finding players who can fit in your system and provide appropriate value by getting onto the field early and frequently while playing at a high level.

Where are these pictures you speak of?

 

[Eskimo]

Where are these pictures you speak of?

Guys on Blogging the Boys used all the film footage from Jerry Jones being interviewed in the War Room during the draft. In the background on various shots you could see the Cowboys Draft Board up there. Once they scanned through all the available shots and blew up the Hi-def images available they were able to reconstruct the whole Draft Board.

I don't think they put up all the individual stills that they used but they did show samples of this.

The article was up in detail yesterday but they may have pulled it as the link I posted yesterday no longer seems to work.

 

[Macnalty]

they passed on eifert also

I look back and say out of the three TE's near the top the difference between them was slight, Eifert had a little more speed, Ertz was the better blocker, and there was certainly no denying the better pass catcher was Escobar(he dropped because of a slow 40 time). In my mind the safeties/CB will be shaking when Witten and Escobar are on the field together, and if Hanna is making progress as the media is hyping( I am skeptical) than we have really transformed this offense in one draft. Well technically two if Hanna hits and the scouts did a great job of serving these guys up.
This years draft was more an art form, once the run on the offensive lineman started nothing fit into the conventional draft dogma. When this happens the Giants take Pugh, and pass on Floyd, like we did. Minnesota has in the last ten years had some very good players fall into their laps due to draft bias and much to their chagrin they have not had a decent enough QB to take advantage of their luck.