Time Warner to test Internet billing based on usage

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By Yinka Adegoke
Thu Jan 17, 10:07 AM ET



NEW YORK (Reuters) - Time Warner Cable Inc said on Wednesday it is planning a trial to bill high-speed Internet subscribers based on their amount of usage rather than a flat fee, the standard industry practice.

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The second largest U.S. cable operator said it will test consumption-based billing with subscribers in Beaumont, Texas later this year as a part of a strategy to help reduce congestion of its network by a minority of consumers who pay the same monthly fee as light users.

The company believes the billing system will impact only heavy users, who account for around 5 percent of all customers but typically use more than half of the total network bandwidth, according to a company spokesman.

Slowing network congestion due to downloading of large media files such as video is a growing problem for Time Warner Cable. The company said the problem will worsen as video downloading becomes more popular.

But the move could prove controversial. Unlike with utility bills such as the phone or electricity, which have traditionally been based on usage, U.S. high-speed Internet subscribers have come to expect a fixed monthly charge. An Internet bill typically only varies based on the speed of the consumer's Internet access.

Time Warner Cable, which has 7.4 million residential Internet subscribers, is hoping the move will not confuse consumers if introduced nationwide and is planning a trial period.

"Largely, people won't notice the difference," said the Time Warner Cable spokesman. "We don't want customers to feel they're getting less for more." News of Time Warner Cable's plans was originally leaked on an online industry forum BroadbandReports.com.

Other cable operators may follow Time Warner Cable's lead and phone companies such as Verizon Communications Inc and AT&T Inc are likely to be watching the New York-based cable operator's plans.

As U.S. consumers have become more used to streaming and downloading digital media over the Web, their Internet service providers have started to come under pressure to be able to keep up with growing demand in a cost-effective manner.

Comcast Corp, the largest cable operator with around 13 million Internet subscribers, has been accused by consumer groups of blocking Web traffic moving across its networks, prompting a notice of inquiry by the Federal Communications Commission earlier this week.

Comcast denies it blocks any Internet traffic saying it uses bandwidth management technology to help improve the customer experience but which may slow down some file transfers.

(Editing by Lincoln Feast)
 

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Updated: Beaumont to be guinea pig for RR bandwidth caps

An item on BroadbandReports.com indicates the Time Warner Cable operation in Beaumont will experiment this quarter with a system that limits the amount of data usage by its Road Runner cable-modem customers.

According to a leaked memo submitted to the site's forums -- which since appears to have been removed -- users in the trial would be charged for usage that exceeds the limits in their tiers.
The memo claims new customers in the Beaumont market will be placed on metered billing plans where overage charges will apply. Those customers will be given a special website allowing users to track their bandwidth consumption and upgrade to faster tiers if they consistently use more bandwidth than allowed for their tier. Existing customers will be able to track consumption, but will remain on flat-rate billing.​
If the plan works, according to the memo, Time Warner would consider rolling it out nationwide.

In theory, this might be one of the few reasons Houston's new Comcast customers would be pleased that Time Warner no longer runs the cable system here, except for this: BroadbandReports says Comcast also has been testing a similar system.

Of course, Comcast apparently has secret bandwidth caps they won't talk about. And then there's that nasty BitTorrent throttling problem.

I'm taking this report with a grain of salt. The cable companies are locked in a fierce competition with telcos for broadband Internet customers, and one of the marketing advantages cable has is the simplicity of its offerings. The last thing Time Warner or any cable Internet provider would want to do is anger customers and send them fleeing into the waiting arms of Ma Bell 2.0.

Update: According to Reuters, the plan is indeed very real.

The second largest U.S. cable operator said it will test consumption-based billing with subscribers in Beaumont, Texas later this year as a part of a strategy to help reduce congestion of its network by a minority of consumers who pay the same monthly fee as light users.​

The company believes the billing system will impact only heavy users, who account for around 5 percent of all customers but typically use more than half of the total network bandwidth, according to a company spokesman.​

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Time Warner Cable, which has 7.4 million residential Internet subscribers, is hoping the move will not confuse consumers if introduced nationwide and is planning a trial period. "Largely, people won't notice the difference," said the Time Warner Cable spokesman. "We don't want customers to feel they're getting less for more." News of Time Warner Cable's plans was originally leaked on an online industry forum BroadbandReports.com.​
No word in this story if the caps will apply to existing customers.

Update 2.0: An Associated Press says it the tiered pricing will apply only to new customers.
 

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Yeagermeister;1911397 said:
TW is really trying hard to run all of their customers away.


Agreed. Time Warner doesn't care about the customer like they want you to think they do.

Now there is also talk of internet filtering going on w/ Comcast.

Comcast has been in talks w/ ATT, Microsoft and other big ISP's about filtering content. This content would be the illegal downloads of songs/movies/games etc.

Comcast is actually in a pinch right now. The FCC just asked them to respond to customer complaints about them already filtering this stuff out.

Comcast is denying it but it does appear that they have been trying to do it.

They tried to filter torrent files and got all KINDS of people/businesses riled up.

This is going to get UGLY.

Filterting the internet. Oh boy!
 

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Someone needs to inform them that the trend over the past two decades has been towards flat fees. It won't work and they'll give up on it within a year.
 

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I'm so grateful to have Cox Cable here in the west. It's amazing. Never have any problems. Got the NFL network for free with my bundle. Their customer service is pretty good.
 

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I wonder what this would do to a heavy online gamer such as myself. I could really see the gaming industry throwing a fit about this as well. I'm afraid I would switch companies just as soon as they started this.
 

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AmarilloCowboyFan;1911971 said:
I wonder what this would do to a heavy online gamer such as myself. I could really see the gaming industry throwing a fit about this as well. I'm afraid I would switch companies just as soon as they started this.

Not a whole lot. The effect of online gaming on bandwidth is basically nil. You wouldn't want to play on dialup, but people do. It's only been in the last couple of years that games have started to have a required broadband connection to have it playable online and it's only barely.

This is for people that download and share things over bittorrent and probably not for those that only do it occasionally. I'm guessing it's the heavy users of file sharing programs that will be able to see a difference in their bill.
 

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They'll start with the excuse that 'they only want the heavy users', but they really want just to charge a useage meter.
 

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Ozzu;1912015 said:
Not a whole lot. The effect of online gaming on bandwidth is basically nil. You wouldn't want to play on dialup, but people do. It's only been in the last couple of years that games have started to have a required broadband connection to have it playable online and it's only barely.
In my experience, this isn't true at all.
 

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WoodysGirl;1911606 said:
Updated: Beaumont to be guinea pig for RR bandwidth caps

Of course, Comcast apparently has secret bandwidth caps they won't talk about. And then there's that nasty BitTorrent throttling problem.
Comcast definitely has secret limits set. My internet sometimes cuts off "coincidentally" after heavy downloading. And just when I finally figured out how to use a BitTorrent program, today I noticed files were being cut off halfway through. Grrr! I had no idea Comcast was behind these dastardly deeds. I am shocked! (Not really. It is Comcast after all)

Comcast Throttles BitTorrent Traffic, Seeding Impossible
Written by Ernesto on August 17, 2007

Over the past weeks more and more Comcast users started to notice that their BitTorrent transfers were cut off. Most users report a significant decrease in download speeds, and even worse, they are unable to seed their downloads. A nightmare for people who want to keep up a positive ratio at private trackers and for the speed of BitTorrent transfers in general...

http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-throttles-bittorrent-traffic-seeding-impossible/
Apparently Comcast doesn't know what in the world people are talking about:
Comcast Support Continues to Lie about BitTorrent Interference Written by Ernesto on November 01, 2007

By now probably every Comcast customer knows that Comcast is interfering with BitTorrent traffic. The only ones that keep denying are the Comcast PR department and the support representatives, this leads to awkward situations to say the least...

http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-lies-about-bittorrent-interference-071101/
And the denials continue:
Comcast Wrongfully Denies Interfering with BitTorrent
Written by Ernesto on August 22, 2007

Last week we reported that Comcast is making it impossible for its customers to seed files on BitTorrent. Not surprisingly, Comcast’s PR department does all it can to deny there allegations, but we - and with us some of the leading BitTorrent developers - know better...

http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-wrongfully-denies-interfering-with-bittorrent/
Comcast has gone crazy. Between pissing off sports fans with the NFL Network fiasco, and shutting off subscriber's internet service, Comcast certainly isn't creating a permanent and loyal customer base. Are they trying to run themselves out of business--not that they are going anywhere anytime soon.

Why would anyone sign up for Comcast (assuming they have other options) and run the risk of having their internet shut off if they use it too much?

At least someone is fighting back:
Comcast Sued Over BitTorrent Traffic Interference
Written by Ernesto on November 14, 2007

It was to be expected, yesterday, a Comcast subscriber from California filed a suit against Comcast in which he calls upon the ISP to stop interfering with his BitTorrent traffic.

Jon Hart, a Comcast subscriber from California couldn’t take it anymore and decided to take legal action. He filed a class-action lawsuit on Tuesday and demands that Comcast stops the BitTorrent traffic interference. In addition he wants Comcast to pay him, and all other Comcast customers in California, damages for not giving him the “crazy fast speeds” they advertised.

http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-sued-over-bittorrent-traffic-interference-071114/
Maybe there is a way to circumvent Comcast's internet controls:
How To Bypass Comcast’s BitTorrent Throttling
Written by Ernesto on October 21, 2007

Back in August we reported that Comcast was limiting BitTorrent traffic. Comcast denied our allegations, even though we had some pretty solid evidence. However, a recent test by Associated Press confirmed what we have been reporting all along. The million dollar question remains, can Comcast subscribers get around this, and more importantly, how?

Comcast is using an application from the broadband management company Sandvine to throttle BitTorrent traffic. It breaks every (seed) connection with new peers after a few seconds if it’s not a Comcast user inside your community boundary. According to some Comcast technicians, who were brave enough to tell the truth, these Sandvine boxes are installed at the cable modem termination system. As a result, it is virtually impossible to seed a file, especially in small swarms without any neighboring Comcast users.

The good news is that there are several ways to fight back and get BitTorrent up and running again. Robb Topolski, a networking and protocol expert summed up some of the workarounds that reportedly solve the throttling issues.

http://torrentfreak.com/how-to-bypass-comcast-bittorrent-throttling-071021/
I get that Comcast has to have usage controls in order to provide adequate service to all subscribers. But shutting of service to paying customers is not the way to go about it. There are many people, like myself, who have no idea how the internet works and how much bandwidth we use. I pay my monthly fee with the idea that I will receive internet access, period. Not some of the times, not during 11pm-5am, not "only if I don't use it too much or too often"--subscribers pay the proscribed fee with the understanding we will receive the proscribed service all of the time.

Broadband was supposed to eliminate these type of dial-up bandwidth limitations. AOL used to explicitly state that long periods of online inactivity could result in AOL hanging up on you to free up the line for someone else. You knew that during peak times you might get a slow connection, or no connection at all. Internet life was supposed to change with broadband. Boy that didn't last long.
 

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I have had comcast and no download issues - EVER

But don't download the bit torrent. Is that even legal to download?
 

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Nors;1924375 said:
I have had comcast and no download issues - EVER

But don't download the bit torrent. Is that even legal to download?
BitTorrents aren't illegal. Sharing copyrighted material is. File sharing isn't just for illegal music and videos. Many people use it to share personal photos or work files. I had to use a sharing program when I was in school. Professors would have us turn in assignments via the internet or to share research for group projects. How mad would I be if Comcast cut me off in middle of an assignment upload. In fact professors would warn us not to wait until the last minute to turn in work in case we had technical difficulties.

Large amounts of information is transferred across the internet everyday. Not all of it is illegal.:rolleyes:
 
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