Tired of pessimism!

[Cowboy_Ace]

Do y'all really think even IF we stand pat and do nothing this year in free agency and draft that we'll be just 8-8? I think we would have been an easy 10-6 IF we stayed healthy. So I think even IF we didn't add another soul to our team and IF we stay healthy with the switch to kiffins defense (which plays to our players strengths imo) we'd win the division. But add a decent draft, and a couple decent free agents and we're in business folks.

I live in florida so I watched the kiffin yrs, do y'all know who the free safety was? It was dexter jackson. Yes he won superbowl mvp honors...but he was average at best. So please stop freaking. Have faith please cowboys nation. I know theres alot that find it hard because u hate jerry the gm, romo the choker, garret vanilla play calling. I too feel the pain of coming short time and time again, but I don't think being pessimistic in the offseason unlike other teams fans they are most hopeful now because noone had won nor lost. We are fans and should have positive vibes for the team we love rain sleet or snow, I believe the worst is behind us.


I believe in our organization and all of u cowboys nation.

Be blessed

 

[gimmesix]

Do y'all really think even IF we stand pat and do nothing this year in free agency and draft that we'll be just 8-8? I think we would have been an easy 10-6 IF we stayed healthy. So I think even IF we didn't add another soul to our team and IF we stay healthy with the switch to kiffins defense (which plays to our players strengths imo) we'd win the division. But add a decent draft, and a couple decent free agents and we're in business folks.

I live in florida so I watched the kiffin yrs, do y'all know who the free safety was? It was dexter jackson. Yes he won superbowl mvp honors...but he was average at best. So please stop freaking. Have faith please cowboys nation. I know theres alot that find it hard because u hate jerry the gm, romo the choker, garret vanilla play calling. I too feel the pain of coming short time and time again, but I don't think being pessimistic in the offseason unlike other teams fans they are most hopeful now because noone had won nor lost. We are fans and should have positive vibes for the team we love rain sleet or snow, I believe the worst is behind us.


I believe in our organization and all of u cowboys nation.

Be blessed

Pessimism will always be here because some wallow in it. Every move Dallas makes is the wrong one. Every move other teams make makes them better.

I've fought against it in the past, but I've learned that it's just part of being on a message board. Don't let it get to you and enjoy those who aren't caught up in it.

 

[Cowboy_Ace]

Pessimism will always be here because some wallow in it. Every move Dallas makes is the wrong one. Every move other teams make makes them better.

I've fought against it in the past, but I've learned that it's just part of being on a message board. Don't let it get to you and enjoy those who aren't caught up in it.

Most definitely, thanks for the encouraging words. I know my thoughts or hopes were probably in vain. Although I really hope the safety talk calms down. Like the bucs won with dexter freaking jackson!! Lol just need a smart safety not necessarily the best athlete.

Again thanks much appreciated. We need to remember it's just a game! Haha not even I believe that.

 

[Idgit]

If back:back 8-8 seasons are good for anything, they divide the fan base perfectly into optimists and pessimists. Personally, I consider pessimism the fan equivalent of low self-esteem, but it makes the threads go round and round when there aren't games playing. And there are some pretty smart pessimists on CZ when they put their minds and creativity towards figuring out why things probably won't work.

 

[Cowboy_Ace]

If back:back 8-8 seasons are good for anything, they divide the fan base perfectly into optimists and pessimists. Personally, I consider pessimism the fan equivalent of low self-esteem, but it makes the threads go round and round when there aren't games playing. And there are some pretty smart pessimists on CZ when they put their minds and creativity towards figuring out why things probably won't work.

Yes I agree there are def some smart pessimist.. I love to learn about things in general so I try to take something from everyone and everything that happens day to day... I just wish they'd use there powers for good! Haha I'm not sure if I believe in karma but I def feel like positive attitude affects everyday life in a positive manner and attitude affects ur day negatively... I'm sorry I was bout to go on some rant bout both haha.

Thanks for ur kind words

 

[theebs]

It's really not pessimism anymore.

It was during the 06-09 seasons when this was a good roster with some decent coaches.

Right now the reality is we are not very good, we have had poor coaching, a thin roster, tons of injuries, all kinds of mental breakdowns and have missed the playoffs three years in a row for the first Time since the campo years.

It's not pessimism if the organization is just not very good, it's reality.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

It's really not pessimism anymore.

It was during the 06-09 seasons when this was a good roster with some decent coaches.

Right now the reality is we are not very good, we have had poor coaching, a thin roster, tons of injuries, all kinds of mental breakdowns and have missed the playoffs three years in a row for the first Time since the campo years.

It's not pessimism if the organization is just not very good, it's reality.

If we are so bad, why were we one game from the division crown? This type of posts are silly. Our roster has a ton of talent, including a nice divide between experience (Romo, Ware, Spencer, Witten, Carr) and young cornerstones (Lee, Carter, Smith, Claiborne). We have the talent to go the distance, especially if we can string together a couple more solid drafts.

 

[theebs]

If we are so bad, why were we one game from the division crown? This type of posts are silly. Our roster has a ton of talent, including a nice divide between experience (Romo, Ware, Spencer, Witten, Carr) and young cornerstones (Lee, Carter, Smith, Claiborne). We have the talent to go the distance, especially if we can string together a couple more solid drafts.

Because the division was down.

The eagles have fallen apart the previous two years and the giants had a hangover this year.

We have some talent without question, but we are not a good team. There is a big difference.

I am one of the most positive people u will ever meet concerning this team, but reality is reality.

This team was built the correct way under parcells, we had immediate results, he set the table for those good years we had a shot. Since he left the 07,08,09 drafts have proven to be what they are, not good. The undrafted free agent swell of players we were finding has stopped, the free agents we have signed and the trades we have made have been expensive mistakes.

It's only slightly different than the campo years in that we have ware, witten and romo and all campo had left was emmitt and Woodson.

Our qb keeps us from completely sinking, as long as he is here we have a chance to be Contenders.

Missing the playoffs three straight years is not what good organizations do, especially ones with franchise quarterbacks.

And we all know why.

 

[Disturbed]

Pessimism will rule until Dallas wins in the playoffs...

The longer Dallas losses, the worse it will get. And the hate and loathing will continue to rise.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Because the division was down.

And in the last two years we've also faced the two Superbowl Winners to basically the final play of the game. The record speaks for itself, but the truth is there isn't the wide gulf between 8-8 and winning the Superbowl that everyone believes, which is why we don't get blown off the field when facing the Ravens or Giants. Everyone has a mental image of what they envision a "Championship Caliber Team" to look like, it and usually resembles the 85 Bears, 89 49ers or 93 Cowboys. However, that's just not true in reality. The last two Superbowl winners were mediocre for wide extended stretches of the season, and down right awful for shorter stretches. You basically just got to get into the playoffs, squeaking in if need be, get hot at the right time and hopefully have a Rahim Moore whiff an easy INT or have Kyle Williams muff multiple punts along the way. Every fan should go into every season knowing that ultimately the odds are the season is going to end on a disappointing note. Just getting closer to the Championship doesn't ease the pain any, and in fact often makes it worse (see Rangers example above).

Also, if the only enjoyment you get out of sports is when your team wins Championships, you're going to be a very miserable fan because the odds are vastly against any team winning a Championship. I know Rangers fans who were catatonic for a week because they came one strike from winning the World Series, never mind the fact that 95% of the season provided them great enjoyment. Ultimately, I get enjoyment from following a team comes from following specific players on a path of progress (or lack thereof) and following the minutiae of day to day of a specific team, because just following the NFL at large and the ins and outs of 32 teams is too vast.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

.500 average over ten years.

Until that trend breaks it is hard to fight or fault pessimism.

And sadly I think the only way that trend breaks is when Jerry changes or is gone.

Until that happens...pessimism is going to be around.

The superbowl years and glory years of the Cowboys can only carry over for so long until even the most ardent fan ever will get tired of the talking and want more of the walking.

 

[visionary]

Personally, I consider pessimism the fan equivalent of low self-esteem, .....

yeah, :laugh2:

expecting better, keeping eyes open, and thinking for oneself are signs of low self esteem

settling for mediocrity and putting on blinders are signs of high self esteem

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Because the division was down.

The eagles have fallen apart the previous two years and the giants had a hangover this year.

We have some talent without question, but we are not a good team. There is a big difference.

I am one of the most positive people u will ever meet concerning this team, but reality is reality.

This team was built the correct way under parcells, we had immediate results, he set the table for those good years we had a shot. Since he left the 07,08,09 drafts have proven to be what they are, not good. The undrafted free agent swell of players we were finding has stopped, the free agents we have signed and the trades we have made have been expensive mistakes.

It's only slightly different than the campo years in that we have ware, witten and romo and all campo had left was emmitt and Woodson.

Our qb keeps us from completely sinking, as long as he is here we have a chance to be Contenders.

Missing the playoffs three straight years is not what good organizations do, especially ones with franchise quarterbacks.

And we all know why.

Oh please. A team from our divison won the SB two years ago...oh, and we almost won the divison crown that season as well. Oh, and while the 09 draft was awful, the 2010 draft was great and the 2011 draft was fantastic. While it's too soon to call on the 2012 draft, we at least got once cornerstone piece from that draft. The parity in the NFL is far, far greater than you are implying, and we are right on the cusp.

 

[visionary]

Also, if the only enjoyment you get out of sports is when your team wins Championships, you're going to be a very miserable fan because the odds are vastly against any team winning a Championship. .

i know creating false dichotomies and thumping your chest to be looked at as a "better" fan gets your juices flowing but the fact is that winning championships are an unrealistic goal for a franchise as poorly run as this one

we havent even competed to win a championship for almost one and a half decades

this franchise has 1 playoff win in that time frame

1 playoff win

so please dont tell me we are being unreasonably pessimistic when we point out the obvious flaws and deficiencies in this team

 

[theebs]

And in the last two years we've also faced the two Superbowl Winners to basically the final play of the game. The record speaks for itself, but the truth is there isn't the wide gulf between 8-8 and winning the Superbowl that everyone believes, which is why we don't get blown off the field when facing the Ravens or Giants. Everyone has a mental image of what they envision a "Championship Caliber Team" to look like, it and usually resembles the 85 Bears, 89 49ers or 93 Cowboys. However, that's just not true in reality. The last two Superbowl winners were mediocre for wide extended stretches of the season, and down right awful for shorter stretches. You basically just got to get into the playoffs, squeaking in if need be, get hot at the right time and hopefully have a Rahim Moore whiff an easy INT or have Kyle Williams muff multiple punts along the way. Every fan should go into every season knowing that ultimately the odds are the season is going to end on a disappointing note. Just getting closer to the Championship doesn't ease the pain any, and in fact often makes it worse (see Rangers example above).

Also, if the only enjoyment you get out of sports is when your team wins Championships, you're going to be a very miserable fan because the odds are vastly against any team winning a Championship. I know Rangers fans who were catatonic for a week because they came one strike from winning the World Series, never mind the fact that 95% of the season provided them great enjoyment. Ultimately, I get enjoyment from following a team comes from following specific players on a path of progress (or lack thereof) and following the minutiae of day to day of a specific team, because just following the NFL at large and the ins and outs of 32 teams is too vast.

Give me a break, spare me the how to be a fan guidelines, k bob sturm jr.

U have known me long enough and what kind of fan I am. I will always believe the team has a chance and will again this year.

we played the Seahawks to the wire in 05, we played the pats to the wire in 03, we played the steelers to the wire in 08, we beat the giants twice in 07, we beat the colts in 06, we beat the saints in 09 etc. what does it mean?

Yes there is not tha much of. Difference between 8-8 and winning a Super Bowl currently, but that is also an empty statement because those teams who have won after average seasons...the 11 giants, 05 steelers, 08 cardinals etc played really well in the playoffs. We have not.

we have relatively thin roster and have had some poor coaching. That is why even with one of the better qb's in the league we can not get over the hump.

I am ready for this year to start and can see how u can make case in each of the last two years we could have finished 11-5, but u can also make the case we could have won 5 or 6 games.

If u deal in reality even the most positive people like myself understand this is an organization that is not very good and the proof is they can not get over the hump because of there own shortcomings and limiting things hey have done to themselves.

If u think I need the team to win a championship every year well u are wrong and apparently have never read anything I have said for the past 7 years.

 

[theebs]

Oh please. A team from our divison won the SB two years ago...oh, and we almost won the divison crown that season as well. Oh, and while the 09 draft was awful, the 2010 draft was great and the 2011 draft was fantastic. While it's too soon to call on the 2012 draft, we at least got once cornerstone piece from that draft. The parity in the NFL is far, far greater than you are implying, and we are right on the cusp.

I don't think the 10, 11 or 12 drafts were great by any stretch.

I hope lee, Bryant turn out to be all timers but they have not been that yet.

We need to nail this draft to compete this season.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

yeah, :laugh2:

expecting better, keeping eyes open, and thinking for oneself are signs of low self esteem

settling for mediocrity and putting on blinders are signs of high self esteem

Ouch! LOL

I don't think the word "pessimism" quite captures the mood entirely. "Anger" over the GM's lack of demonstrated ability should be in the mix as well.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If back:back 8-8 seasons are good for anything, they divide the fan base perfectly into optimists and pessimists. Personally, I consider pessimism the fan equivalent of low self-esteem, but it makes the threads go round and round when there aren't games playing. And there are some pretty smart pessimists on CZ when they put their minds and creativity towards figuring out why things probably won't work.

If pessimism in cowboys fans (after this many years of mediocrity) is a sign of low self esteem.

Continually thinking this team is a few plays away or players away from a championship run is a fan equivalent of Psychosis.

They put their minds to creatively finding ways to tell us how good this team is even though the recent history says otherwise.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

I don't think the 10, 11 or 12 drafts were great by any stretch.

I hope lee, Bryant turn out to be all timers but they have not been that yet.

We need to nail this draft to compete this season.

2010 and 2011 were fantastic drafts, and if you disagree, then you have wildly unfair expectations with regard to draft results. A "good" draft is where you can land three contributors, and from those two drafts alone, we landed Dez, Lee, Liss, Costa, Smith, Carter, Murray, Harris, Albright, and Bailey. I'm sorry, but you're just wrong with regard to your assessment of our 2010 and 2011 drafts.

 

[ufcrules1]

yeah, :laugh2:

expecting better, keeping eyes open, and thinking for oneself are signs of low self esteem

settling for mediocrity and putting on blinders are signs of high self esteem

lol.. nice. All this time I never knew I had low self esteem.