TLH: Where is Ware?

[Sarge]

Aw man i just wish we had a couple of guys that just looked like they were gonna do something to many smiles during a game wile they are behind or after a game they lost.

Garrett included. How he smiles after some losses makes me ill.

 

[texbumthelife]

Aw man i just wish we had a couple of guys that just looked like they were gonna do something to many smiles during a game wile they are behind or after a game they lost.

You mean like Selvie trying to rip Manning's head off? Haha

It is hard to get geeked up like that when you're losing, man. Very very hard. None of the players on this defense know success as a team. Success breeds that confidence. Otherwise all you have is uncontrollable animals.

 

[riverside4]

Good talk everybody got to run have fun

 

[Risen Star]

Are you quoting the wrong person? Im the one defending Ware...

No, I was just adding on to what you said. Not challenging you on anything.

 

[texbumthelife]

No, I was just adding on to what you said. Not challenging you on anything.

Good! Keep it that way!

 

[burmafrd]

We can agree to disagree but stats aside - and Charles has the stats - 1) Charles was a leader and his teammates respected (if not feared) him. Ware is not even remotely close to being a leader. Players fed off Haley....2) Charles was one of the smartest football players I have ever seen play. Ware is not on that level. Not even close.

Sooooooo - just like I say about Romo - "it ain't all about the stats"

You need a sack on 4th and 10 to win the game - give me Charles Haley all day, every day over Ware (with all due respect)

what little respect I had for your opinion just disapeared

 

[burmafrd]

The OP

Tony Romo was great on Sunday. Tony Romo threw a costly interception Sunday. Tony Romo choked. All you have heard the last two days was that it was Tony Romo’s fault that the Cowboys lost on Sunday. Was the interception costly? Sure it was. But let’s forget about the interception for a second. The defense gave up 51 points. 51! Let that sink in for a moment. And yet, somehow, the defense has been given a pass by the media. Tony Romo addressed the media after the game and took the blame. But where was Monte Kiffin? Where was DeMarcus Ware? Neither man decided to help shoulder any of the blame.

Which brings me to DeMarcus Ware. The seven time pro bowl player had zero impact on the game that was hanging in the balance all day. We often hear the narrative that Tony Romo isn’t clutch in the fourth quarter, but what about Ware? When is the last time Ware made a big play late a game to help decide a game? It hasn’t been often. Look at this chart compared to some of the best pass rushers in the league:



Read the rest at: http://thelandryhat.com/2013/10/08/ware/

interesting that you deliberately quoted a blog from someone noted on the Landry Hat as a continual critic of Ware. About as worthwhile as listening to ufcrules on Romo.

By the way Ware should not have been playing the second half of 2012 due to his injuries.

But of course you don't want to talk about that.

Or the fact that prior to his injuries his career was noted for the number of 4th quarter sacks. But then facts have nothing to do with your agenda.

 

[NeonDeion21]

Wait, hold up. I am a continual critic of Ware? That isn't true at all. This is what I wrote about DeMarcus Ware after the Rams game:

"DeMarcus Ware is playing perhaps the best football of his career." http://cover32.com/cowboys/2013/09/26/week-3-all-22-tape-review/

My point is, where is he in the fourth quarter? He may be nicked up, but if you are on the field playing, I don't want to hear excuses. Big time players need to make big time plays in big games.

 

[Doomsay]

Christ, I thought that this was about a contemporary assessment of Ware's health, not a Chuck v. DeMarcus exercise. Ware is clearly hobbled - I re-watched every play in the 4th quarter, and he wasn't double teamed once, that is meaningful. Having either healthy number 94 would change our prospects this season, I miss them both.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Charles Haley was smacked by a TE and then had to go through his man his entire career and a lot of that was with a bad back. I'm not interested in excuses. We see enough of them around here.

Exactly

Ware is not getting the job done and is struggling against scrubs

It is what it is

 

[Beast_from_East]

Garrett included. How he smiles after some losses makes me ill.

Me too bro

Losers get used to losing apparently

Jimmy never did crap like that

 

[texbumthelife]

Christ, I thought that this was about a contemporary assessment of Ware's health, not a Chuck v. DeMarcus exercise. Ware is clearly hobbled - I re-watched every play in the 4th quarter, and he wasn't double teamed once, that is meaningful. Having either healthy number 94 would change our prospects this season, I miss them both.

Threads evolve by the third page. You're not new. You know how it works.

Ware is obviously not himself. For whatever reason.

 

[punchnjudy]

I want to know where his replacement is. Or Jay's replacement for that matter.

Getting another pass rusher who can even come close to replacing what Ware brought here is going to be very tough. Teams strike out a lot at that, even with top picks. Some very tough times ahead for this franchise if Ware doesn't have much left. Going to be tough anyway with all the other holes they have to fill, but that's a killer.

 

[hairic]

Here's Manning's release times on his passes:

3.5 seconds
2.5 seconds
2.13 seconds
2.23 seconds
3.5 seconds
1.47 seconds
2.6? based on average shotgun snap time to QB's hands - TV broadcast didn't show snap.
2.3 seconds
2.27 seconds
2.9 seconds
1.47 seconds
3.3 seconds
3.03 seconds
2.73 seconds
1.33 seconds
4 seconds
1.93 seconds
2.87 seconds
2.4 seconds
2.6 seconds
2.26 seconds
2.17 seconds
2.5 seconds
2.73 seconds
3.47 seconds
2.4 seconds
2.4 seconds
3.07 seconds
1.33 seconds
2.43 seconds
2.27 seconds
2.07 seconds
1.93 seconds
2.7 seconds
2.2 seconds
1 second
2.33 seconds
2.03 seconds
2.93 seconds
3.27 seconds
3.23 seconds
3.37 seconds
2.2 seconds
2.07 seconds
2.17 seconds
1.77 seconds

All of them:


Just 2.5+ seconds (the general length of time it takes to get around a blocker perfectly and hit a QB that's not moving, any pressure under this time is usually a protection error/unblocked rusher):

 

[Doomsay]

Here's Manning's release times on his passes:

3.5 seconds
2.5 seconds
2.13 seconds
2.23 seconds
3.5 seconds
1.47 seconds
2.6? based on average shotgun snap time to QB's hands - TV broadcast didn't show snap.
2.3 seconds
2.27 seconds
2.9 seconds
1.47 seconds
3.3 seconds
3.03 seconds
2.73 seconds
1.33 seconds
4 seconds
1.93 seconds
2.87 seconds
2.4 seconds
2.6 seconds
2.26 seconds
2.17 seconds
2.5 seconds
2.73 seconds
3.47 seconds
2.4 seconds
2.4 seconds
3.07 seconds
1.33 seconds
2.43 seconds
2.27 seconds
2.07 seconds
1.93 seconds
2.7 seconds
2.2 seconds
1 second
2.33 seconds
2.03 seconds
2.93 seconds
3.27 seconds
3.23 seconds
3.37 seconds
2.2 seconds
2.07 seconds
2.17 seconds
1.77 seconds

All of them:


Just 2.5+ seconds (the general length of time it takes to get around a blocker perfectly and hit a QB that's not moving, any pressure under this time is usually a protection error/unblocked rusher):

Great info as always. Does your video editor stop action in 00's of a second? That is really cool. Manning is going to get the ball off before you get to him I just guess it's a question of to whom (1st read 2nd ect).

 

[Future]

A couple things to consider...

I remember a thread like this was made a long time ago, and at that point, he had more 4th quarter sacks than anybody. On top of that, its hard to get sacks when your team is always trailing in the 4th quarter like it was last year, so the overall stats in the OP are a bit shortsighted.

Having said that, I have never felt that he was actually a "clutch" player, and he has always disappeared. And there's no doubt that his time as an elite player is done.

 

[hairic]

Great info as always. Does your video editor stop action in 00's of a second? That is really cool. Manning is going to get the ball off before you get to him I just guess it's a question of to whom (1st read 2nd ect).

When I make a cut, it (videoredo) gives how long it is in seconds plus the frame count that makes up an incomplete second. Knowing the fps of the video makes it easy to figure out that extra amount. Times here are accurate to roughly 0.033 seconds for CBS/1080i/30fps and 0.0166 seconds for FOX/720p/60fps, and is inaccurate at both the start and end point. The times listed here are the maximum times since I started when the ball was immobile until there was space between Manning's hand and the ball, so the actual time is somewhere under the time listed. tl;dr Manning was faster than this by up to 0.066 seconds every throw.

 

[Doomsay]

When I make a cut, it (videoredo) gives how long it is in seconds plus the frame count that makes up an incomplete second. Knowing the fps of the video makes it easy to figure out that extra amount. Times here are accurate to roughly 0.033 seconds for CBS/1080i/30fps and 0.0166 seconds for FOX/720p/60fps, and is inaccurate at both the start and end point. The times listed here are the maximum times since I started when the ball was immobile until there was space between Manning's hand and the ball, so the actual time is somewhere under the time listed. tl;dr Manning was faster than this by up to 0.066 seconds every throw.

Amazing - a long way from Zapruder.

These stop frame shots in particular, are a great analytic tool, thanks again.

Did you look at that challenged call to see if the Bronco was touched? I'd imagine you could see hand deflections ect.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Here's Manning's release times on his passes:

3.5 seconds
2.5 seconds
2.13 seconds
2.23 seconds
3.5 seconds
1.47 seconds
2.6? based on average shotgun snap time to QB's hands - TV broadcast didn't show snap.
2.3 seconds
2.27 seconds
2.9 seconds
1.47 seconds
3.3 seconds
3.03 seconds
2.73 seconds
1.33 seconds
4 seconds
1.93 seconds
2.87 seconds
2.4 seconds
2.6 seconds
2.26 seconds
2.17 seconds
2.5 seconds
2.73 seconds
3.47 seconds
2.4 seconds
2.4 seconds
3.07 seconds
1.33 seconds
2.43 seconds
2.27 seconds
2.07 seconds
1.93 seconds
2.7 seconds
2.2 seconds
1 second
2.33 seconds
2.03 seconds
2.93 seconds
3.27 seconds
3.23 seconds
3.37 seconds
2.2 seconds
2.07 seconds
2.17 seconds
1.77 seconds

All of them:


Just 2.5+ seconds (the general length of time it takes to get around a blocker perfectly and hit a QB that's not moving, any pressure under this time is usually a protection error/unblocked rusher):

Well that is even more of a reason for Ware to be a THINKER...not barreling up the field chasing someone he is not going to get to....and leaving gaping lanes. How about BAT the ball down. We cannot keep making excuses for our highest paid players. For example, we cannot just allow the coaches to say "hey, Dez is doubled, so we went elsewhere with the ball". The best and the brightest show up.....and when they do NOT show up...call it what it is!

 

[hairic]

Amazing - a long way from Zapruder.

These stop frame shots in particular, are a great analytic tool, thanks again.

Did you look at that challenged call to see if the Bronco was touched? I'd imagine you could see hand deflections ect.

Yeah, he was touched maybe 4-5 times before his knee went down. Edge of his shoulder pad to Selvie's thigh (and shoulder pads/number compresses with contact; this is just the clearest shot of anything resembling a 27).

Took me a while to figure out that the white mess that didn't make sense there can only be numbers on the top of their jerseys.

Also his helmet to Ware's shoulder pads. And Selvie's hand on the back of the blocker. And Ware's hand (thumb).