To Fade or not to Fade?

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It has been discussed before but I don't recall this point being made about the two fade routes that were called on the goalline. In my opinion, they were excellent calls, more so for future games. It would have been a tremendous call had R. Williams caught the freaking ball, but I digress.

Go back and review the two plays. Essentially, you should notice the corner backs were playing an inside technique, virtually cutting off the ability to run the slant of the none 30 yard variety. :D. By alignment, the defense is dictating to the offense, and more times then not that is an early win, especially when you are fighting for any advantage in the tight confines of the redzone.

In my opinion, both fade calls were viable calls because of the following.

When we start hitting on these fades and I am convinced that we will (there are too many factors that are in our favor not to), it will force the opposing corner backs to play more head up technique. In addition, the safeties instead of playing more aggressive on the run has to be cognizant of threats over the top, i.e. corner routes and fades. This will give us more room to dictate run or pass, which would put even more pressure on the defense during pre-snap and for the matter, their weekly game preparation.

Right now, they are taking away the slants and the running game by virtue of alignment. In order for us to continue our run dominance our offense have to start dictating the defensive alignment.

Now the converse of all of that is being good enough to run regardless of alignment. That is all fine and dandy in the short-term against certain teams but that won't be the case going against all teams, especially in the latter part of the season.

For example, when we play the gents again or the iggles I want our offense to at least have the advantage of alignment, which is a major win in the redzone. The bottom line is the seldom talked about subtlety of alignment can mean the difference between scoring with the ball by just breaking the plane of the goalline or falling short by 1 inch.
 

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I like the fade ..... but Romo needs to learn how to throw it .
 

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With Roy and Bennett the fade *should* be gravy. Romo needs to throw it higher for Bennett and Roy needs to catch it. :mad:
 

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l2obert;2980747 said:
With Roy and Bennett the fade *should* be gravy. Romo needs to throw it higher for Bennett and Roy needs to catch it. :mad:


He needs to throw it higher for both ..... The corner was able to knock it free from Roy because it was to low.

(Now Roy should have still caught it .... but)
 

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zrinkill;2980752 said:
He needs to throw it higher for both ..... The corner was able to knock it free from Roy because it was to low.

(Now Roy should have still caught it .... but)

Romo threw the one to Bennett correctly but Bennett didn't turn the right way.
 

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When it's 3rd and goal from the 1 yd line and you're in the 2nd half of a 10-7dogfight, the last thing that needs to be considered is how a playcall affects future opponents' defensive strategy.

Calling the fade on 2nd down was fine. 3rd down, we needed to go to a higher % play. I understand Carolina loaded the box, but that's what goal line offense is all about.
 

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zrinkill;2980752 said:
He needs to throw it higher for both ..... The corner was able to knock it free from Roy because it was to low.

(Now Roy should have still caught it .... but)

I have confidence that this will happen. Romo is a smart QB with above average accuracy but it is obvious that they are still working the kinks out. When we start hitting on the fades, we will be virtually unstoppable in my opinion. This will force the defense to define the entire redzone instead of the area of the field that they funnel the offense to.
 

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JohnsKey19;2980774 said:
When it's 3rd and goal from the 1 yd line and you're in the 2nd half of a 10-7dogfight, the last thing that needs to be considered is how a playcall affects future opponents' defensive strategy.

Calling the fade on 2nd down was fine. 3rd down, we needed to go to a higher % play. I understand Carolina loaded the box, but that's what goal line offense is all about.

Games that are won in December are products of the seeds that you plant in the previous months. Nothing in football is ever about just one specific play during one specific moment. Only fools and scrubs look at football strategy that way.
 

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zrinkill;2980745 said:
I like the fade ..... but Romo needs to learn how to throw it .

Yeah he is not putting enough touch on it.

He needs to try to "drop it in the bucket".
 

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zrinkill;2980752 said:
He needs to throw it higher for both ..... The corner was able to knock it free from Roy because it was to low.

(Now Roy should have still caught it .... but)

Yeagermeister;2980757 said:
Romo threw the one to Bennett correctly but Bennett didn't turn the right way.

adbutcher;2980776 said:
I have confidence that this will happen. Romo is a smart QB with above average accuracy but it is obvious that they are still working the kinks out. When we start hitting on the fades, we will be virtually unstoppable in my opinion. This will force the defense to define the entire redzone instead of the area of the field that they funnel the offense to.

When Romo gets that trust in Roy and Bennett the fade would be extremely hard to defend. Especially Bennett with a LB or Safety matchup, guy can get up.
 

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adbutcher;2980779 said:
Games that are won in December are products of the seeds that you plant in the previous months. Nothing in football is ever about just one specific play during one specific moment. Only fools and scrubs look at football strategy that way.

Obviously opposing teams monitor tendencies and such. My point is on 3rd and goal from the 1 in a tight game, punch it in. There's a time and place for everything.

Are you going to run a flea-flicker on 4th and goal from the 1/2 inch line down 4 points in the 4th quarter just so teams can have something to think about in December? Of course not. Obviously that's a bit extreme but i think you see my point. IMO at least, I'd just prefer, particularly on that 3rd down, to go to a higher %age playcall, that's all.
 

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The fade is ok as long as:

1. Romo throws it HIGHER so that Roy W, Marty B, J Witten, are the only ones with a chance at the ball.

2. Deeper into the endzone please. The fade to Roy was too shallow and scary thigs could have happened there.

3. NEVER two times in a row:mad: !

4. NEVER on third down... unless it is a 4 down situation.

The fade is nifty and all, but it is very doubtful that anyone could stop us if we simply ran between the tackles three straight times... Real runs, not shotgun draws.
 

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l2obert;2980794 said:
When Romo gets that trust in Roy and Bennett the fade would be extremely hard to defend.


I do not think its trust as much as its that Romo cannot throw it .....

He could never throw it right to Owens either (yes I know it was a gamble if he could catch it even then)

Romo really needs to work on how to throw it ...... he throws it real flat for some reason.
 

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All this discussion of why it was a good call"IF", points out the reason he should have run it.

You don't call 2 pass plays that your QB hasn't shown the consistent ability to execute properly when all you need is a half a yard and you have 2 road graders in your interior OL and a great blocking FB. Also Choice is not a scat back he can be a thumper.

We are the best running team in the league and it's not all because of misdirection plays and cutbacks.

Don't overthink it. Run the ball behind your road graders and score.

If we had lost that game 14-13 those 2 play calls would have Garrett on the hot seat.
 

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I think the fade can be a key weapon for this offense given the height that Witten, Williams and Bennett bring.

But Romo needs to get a little better at throwing it.

Something to work on in practice.
 

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l2obert;2980747 said:
With Roy and Bennett the fade *should* be gravy. Romo needs to throw it higher for Bennett and Roy needs to catch it. :mad:


I think we should throw it 1-2 a games so we perfect it.

RW and MBen are perfect for it.
 
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