Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson are the greatest coaches of all time. Not Belicheat!

[atlantacowboy]

History has illustrated that some of the greatest in NFL have been withheld or delayed induction in the HOF cause of personal conduct unbecoming to the integrity of the league.

There is no clear reason given here. We are just guessing. Nobody is coming out and admitting they didn't vote for him let alone trying to defend their decision. It's a cabal of cowards.

Another theory is that Kraft orchestrated this bc he's likely going in this year and didn't want to share the spotlight with Belechek. They aren't on speaking terms.

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

Jimmy really sunk his reputation in Miami

 

[Diehardblues]

There is no clear reason given here. We are just guessing. Nobody is coming out and admitting they didn't vote for him let alone trying to defend their decision. It's a cabal of cowards.

Another theory is that Kraft orchestrated this bc he's likely going in this year and didn't want to share the spotlight with Belechek. They aren't on speaking terms.

Normally the voters aren’t personally recognized whether it’s HOF, MVP, etc.

There is the possibility these voters favored 3 older players which this was last year of eligibility .

 

[gtb1943]

I think it sends a message that Bills conduct was terrible enough to prevent him from 1st Ballot that he otherwise deserved. Much like some players have been snubbed.

anyone that does not understand this had nothing to do with Cheating and EVERYTHING to do with personal animas is a fool

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Landry lost more big games than he won did he not

 

[America's Cowboy]

what was Paul Brown without Otto Graham
Tom Landry without Staubach
Lombardi without Bart Starr
I could go on
Like how good was Jimmy Johnson without Troy Aikman
now are you getting why its a dumb post?

Dak just had an MVP type of season. Dak isn't a problem. He finished Top 4 of all QBs this year.

All of those QBs you mentioned were amongst the best, but none of them would have been great without the extremely loaded good teams they played on.

 

[America's Cowboy]

anyone that does not understand this had nothing to do with Cheating and EVERYTHING to do with personal animas is a fool

Nothing to do with cheating?

Shut it.

 

[LatinMind]

In wake of Belicheat missing first ballot this year, it reminded me of past greatness and real men that dominated this sport. Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson were men’s men. True gladiators that ran their teams with the greatest coaching of all time. Belicheat isn’t the greatest to ever do it. I don’t even rank him top 5. Without Brady, he isn’t even top 20. For all those here who remember true coaches, this is what the modern cowboys are missing. We need a coach like those two legends!!

So you're just going to ignore the fact that jimmy was already trying to leave Dallas? Ignore the fact that he left Dallas with a team full of coke heads?

And let's remember the league was laughing at Jerry for moving on from Landry and laughed even more for hiring Jimmy. So who's the real legend? The coach who reaped the rewards of jerrys money, didn't see the legend while coaching the dolphins. Or was it a genius move to even hire Jimmy when the league laughed?

 

[Established1971]

Landry had Stauback, Dorsett, Calvin Hill, Duane Thomas, Drew Pearson, Tony Hill, Ed Jones, Harvey Martin, Randy White, Chuck Howley, Mel Renfro, and many others, yet he only won 2 SBs, losing 3.

I dearly loved the man, but it’s hard to even argue he was better than Chuck Noll. No way he was better than Belichick.

he was better than Chuck Noll, Im too sick at the moment to explain why but he was

 

[CowboysFever1973]

So you're just going to ignore the fact that jimmy was already trying to leave Dallas? Ignore the fact that he left Dallas with a team full of coke heads?

And let's remember the league was laughing at Jerry for moving on from Landry and laughed even more for hiring Jimmy. So who's the real legend? The coach who reaped the rewards of jerrys money, didn't see the legend while coaching the dolphins. Or was it a genius move to even hire Jimmy when the league laughed?

How many Belicheat posters do you have in your room?

 

[Wildcat711]

Once coaches retire how do you rank them?

I think Bill Walsh was the finest Offensive mind in my time watching football.

But I'm sure not everyone would agree with that.

At the end of the day I think all you can go on is their body of work.

Not sure there is any other way of ranking them.

 

[Diehardblues]

anyone that does not understand this had nothing to do with Cheating and EVERYTHING to do with personal animas is a fool

But cheating provides the snubbing. Without it then it could be nothing else but personal favoritism.

Because I can’t believe anyone would otherwise even attempt to argue his career isn’t deserving, and why he no doubt will be inducted. Just not on 1st Ballot.

It then becomes nothing more than a technicality similar to players who haven’t made it on 1st Ballot due to indiscretions.

 

[LatinMind]

How many Belicheat posters do you have in your room?

None i just don't think Jimmy is a legend. He won when it was good and fell short when he didn't have jerrys money.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

None i just don't think Jimmy is a legend. He won when it was good and fell short when he didn't have jerrys money.

Yea. That 1989 team was one of the worst in history and he built that team from scratch. Jerry can have all the money he wants and it doesn't mean he knows anything about building a football team. All NFL owners are billionaires but it takes a coach to turn them into winners. And Jimmy made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years in Miami. Maybe if he was allowed to get rid of Marino and actually start rebuilding that team he would have been more successful. 30 years and counting. Still waiting on Jerry to prove Everybody wrong.

 

[coult44]

In wake of Belicheat missing first ballot this year, it reminded me of past greatness and real men that dominated this sport. Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson were men’s men. True gladiators that ran their teams with the greatest coaching of all time. Belicheat isn’t the greatest to ever do it. I don’t even rank him top 5. Without Brady, he isn’t even top 20. For all those here who remember true coaches, this is what the modern cowboys are missing. We need a coach like those two legends!!

We are Dallas fans, of course we love Jimmy and Landry. But Jimmy and Bill are pretty much the same man.

Bill had Tom. Jimmy had the triplets.
Bill stretched the rules. You don’t think Jimmy knew about the “White House” and how much coke his guys were on. He probably helped cover up an attempted murder by one of his best.
Bill has a girl 40 years younger than him. Jimmy divorced his wife and kids for rings and glory.

You might not like Bill, but saying he’s not one of the best ever because he’s not a Cowboy, is goofy!

 

[LatinMind]

Yea. That 1989 team was one of the worst in history and he built that team from scratch. Jerry can have all the money he wants and it doesn't mean he knows anything about building a football team. All NFL owners are billionaires but it takes a coach to turn them into winners. And Jimmy made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years in Miami. Maybe if he was allowed to get rid of Marino and actually start rebuilding that team he would have been more successful. 30 years and counting. Still waiting on Jerry to prove Everybody wrong.

My point is it took both. Neither of them won anything without the other after they seperated.

 

[kramskoi]

In wake of Belicheat missing first ballot this year, it reminded me of past greatness and real men that dominated this sport. Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson were men’s men. True gladiators that ran their teams with the greatest coaching of all time. Belicheat isn’t the greatest to ever do it. I don’t even rank him top 5. Without Brady, he isn’t even top 20. For all those here who remember true coaches, this is what the modern cowboys are missing. We need a coach like those two legends!!

Sorry...but "I don’t even rank him top 5" is not going to fly.

Jimmy Johnson said it best..."I had Aikman"...meaning he didn't do it by himself, as was proven when Johnson went down to Miami and accomplished absolutely nothing. He poured ice on the notion that those wins can only be attributed to Brady. His more reasoned opinion was that they needed each other. It was symbiotic.

Landry took advantage of low-balled talent. Jimmy Johnson took advantage of the years before free agency really took hold. It's a markedly different league today than it was in the 90s, let alone the 80s, when a lot of Cowboy players were being underpaid.

 

[kramskoi]

Once coaches retire how do you rank them?

I think Bill Walsh was the finest Offensive mind in my time watching football.

But I'm sure not everyone would agree with that.

At the end of the day I think all you can go on is their body of work.

Not sure there is any other way of ranking them.

Bill Walsh is the Godfather. I'd put Don Coryell in the same conversation, along with Sid Gillman. Landry did some innovation with multiple offenses (shifts and shotgun) himself but I think Walsh was some kind of genius at his craft. Once that 49er team got the players, it seemed like they would NEVER not be good. You are talking something like a 15 year run of being a great offense. They were perennial SB contenders for what seemed like a century.

 

[nyc-cowboy]

I’d have to ask what the measurement or parameters are.

Is it winning record , championships, SB’s , playoffs. X and O’s guru, etc.

Or just an individual speculative opinion? And potential biased view from a Cowboys fan with our 2 favorite coaches.

Excelent question - take Parcells, went to 4 diff teams that were a mess and turned them completely around, all with-in a short period of time.

giants - won 2 SBs with 2 diff QBs

Jets - took them to the AFC championship game with Vinny Testaverde and were favorites to go to the SB the next year but Vinny gets injured the first game of the season and was out for the year.

Patriots - went to the SB

Cowboys - turned the culture around and made them a playoff team with a franchise QB that should have gone to the SB in 2007.

Now he may not have the resume of some other coaches but dayum that's some coaching.

BTW dont come around much anymore - hope you are doing well and in good health.

 

[BoysForLife]

Bill Walsh could make a case. Not just him but how many fantastic coaches trace back to him.

WCO changed the way professional football was played

When you coach at a level that literally changes how the game is played, you are absolutely in the GOAT conversation