Too Early? Or Cause for Concern?

[superpunk]

Both too early now and a cause for concern.

It is too early because it is just practice. We will know a little more during pre-season games, but we really have to wait until the season starts. Even if they were getting to the QB often in practice, it would still be just practice. Unfortunately we have to wait.

It would at least be encouraging, though. As you mentioned...

The pass rush is one area to have concerns with at this time. It has plagued Dallas for many years now. I will be concerned until they prove that it is not a concern. I would like to see that answered in the first game with Eli on his back many times.

It's been a problem for a looooooong time. It'd be really nice to see some progress there. But again, all we're hearing is that Ware is killing everyone, and eating McQuistan's lunch - which is expected.

I don't remember thinking that after watching the video. I do, however, remember seeing where someone let up as they neared the QB so as not to disrupt the pass play. Also, wasn't there a report yesterday that said it was becoming difficult for the QB's out there, and that none of them, including our savior, had sufficient time to make their reads? I dunno. I'm just not going to get worried yet...at least until I see a lack of pass rush during the preseason games.

You don't remember seeing it? Did you watch the whole way to the 11 on 11 at the end? Because that really jumped out to me. I didn't see the report you're talking about.

I'm not losing my head and I'm not concerned over drills you asked a question I responsded then you go off about it being 11 on 11 so what, it is still just a practice and controlled until I see them out on the playing field aginst another team I see no reason to be concerned over it. It is your question too early or cause for concern It is too early!!!

Mentos.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Watching the practice videos being posted up by EverlastingXXX (which are a godsend) you really notice something when watching the 11 on 11 drills.

(a) The defense is not getting to the QB, and
(b) The QB is able to simply step up, avoid the edge rush and dump it off to a TE or RB underneath.

With the angle, it's hard to tell how much those dump-offs are netting, but it was just something that caught my eye. It seems like the secondary has good coverage downfield, but the pass rush just isn't getting there. Recognizing that it's early on, and there's alot of time for improvement, what do you think about it? The flaw in the players execution of our defense from last year was apparent in the preseason, when teams went underneath to their backs for 10 yard gains consistently, so it's not like it's impossible to catch anything this early.

Just seems like the defensive linemen are ineffective. Watch Saturday's end to get an idea.

From what I understand, they are just starting to teach the new techniques for the new defense. I beleive Sunday they started to insert the stunt. It's way way to early to panic. Our defense will be good. The question is how good.

 

[ZeroClub]

Yup, it is too early.

In many ways, even October is too early.

Last year, the Cowboys beat the Colts in mid-November. The very understandable optimism fueled by that win turned out to be a bit premature.

It is a very long season and the only thing of which we can be sure is that there will be several twists and turns before it is finished.

 

[dogunwo]

Noone's asking you to lose your head, sweetie. Just discuss. It is just practice, but it's not the individual drills that worry - it's the 11 on 11 drills. I'd say that gives a pretty good indication of how a unit is performing, and I don't think it's reasonable to just brush it under a rug with "it's just practice." Concern does not have to equal "freaking out." As reasoning adults, I think we can have reasonable discussion on it further than just "no worries - it's only practice, mate" without it being deemed an overreaction.

Either way, there was going to be cause for concern. If you noticed the DL getting in frequently it would be "OMG, the O-line is still pourous and Leonard Davis sucks"

 

[burmafrd]

We might not have anything solid untill we play the Giants. We should have pretty good info after the exhibition games.

 

[Manster68]

It is too early. But we already know that if they don't get to the QB, there's going to be problems

That applies for everyone.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Watching the practice videos being posted up by EverlastingXXX (which are a godsend) you really notice something when watching the 11 on 11 drills.

(a) The defense is not getting to the QB, and
(b) The QB is able to simply step up, avoid the edge rush and dump it off to a TE or RB underneath.

With the angle, it's hard to tell how much those dump-offs are netting, but it was just something that caught my eye. It seems like the secondary has good coverage downfield, but the pass rush just isn't getting there. Recognizing that it's early on, and there's alot of time for improvement, what do you think about it? The flaw in the players execution of our defense from last year was apparent in the preseason, when teams went underneath to their backs for 10 yard gains consistently, so it's not like it's impossible to catch anything this early.

Just seems like the defensive linemen are ineffective. Watch Saturday's end to get an idea.

I have another 10 minutes of video from the saturday practice i didnt add. Most of it is incomplete passes and runs for no gain. From what i see, if this was a real game, the quaterbacks would be running for their life. The first team defense looks very dominant to me. I think the dump offs could be a problem but Bradie James looks faster and Roy is closer. Good observations tho.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't remember thinking that after watching the video. I do, however, remember seeing where someone let up as they neared the QB so as not to disrupt the pass play. Also, wasn't there a report yesterday that said it was becoming difficult for the QB's out there, and that none of them, including our savior, had sufficient time to make their reads? I dunno. I'm just not going to get worried yet...at least until I see a lack of pass rush during the preseason games.

That's exactly how I see it. When a DL or LB gets a step on a guy blocking him in these practices, he can't explode full-speed towards the QB, or he couldn't stop in time. It's just not possible to go at game speed and then at the last instant pull up and not make contact with the QB. So even if he gets an edge on the blocker, he can't take full advantage of it.

And I remember that report, too. It may have been a few days ago, as I didn't read them over the weekend.

The last thing I'm worried about with this team is the pass rush. Demarcus Ware will make sure of that.

 

[zeromaster]

We are not even one week into TC, the Cowboys playing against themselves, and already people want to start sounding alarms.

Sweet Baby Jesus, give these people some patience...

Why don't you wait until we alt least line up against a couple of other teams before getting so worked up?

 

[Doomsday101]

We are not even one week into TC, the Cowboys playing against themselves, and already people want to start sounding alarms.

Sweet Baby Jesus, give these people some patience...

Why don't you wait until we alt least line up against a couple of other teams before getting so worked up?

I agree. Training camp tends to be more about individuals than team. You have guys out there fighting for spots on the starting unit and guys trying to make the ball club. As training camp moves along it will be more about team but right now you got individuals trying to impress the coaches. This is not even taking into account a new system

 

[superpunk]

I have another 10 minutes of video from the saturday practice i didnt add. Most of it is incomplete passes and runs for no gain. From what i see, if this was a real game, the quaterbacks would be running for their life. The first team defense looks very dominant to me. I think the dump offs could be a problem but Bradie James looks faster and Roy is closer. Good observations tho.

They are keeping Newman in the slot mostly, aren't they? And Ware is dropping off in coverage a decent amount from his weakside spot - as the SOLB appears to be the main pass rusher for Wade. Is that correct?

Thanks again for the vids, and your personal observations. With the angles, it's tough to tell what is really happening.

The last thing I'm worried about with this team is the pass rush. Demarcus Ware will make sure of that.

After all, that was all we needed last year.

We are not even one week into TC, the Cowboys playing against themselves, and already people want to start sounding alarms.

Sweet Baby Jesus, give these people some patience...

Why don't you wait until we alt least line up against a couple of other teams before getting so worked up?

Who is worked up, other than you? A discussion does not mean "Man the lifeboats, women and children first".

 

[Everlastingxxx]

They are keeping Newman in the slot mostly, aren't they? And Ware is dropping off in coverage a decent amount from his weakside spot - as the SOLB appears to be the main pass rusher for Wade. Is that correct?

Thanks again for the vids, and your personal observations. With the angles, it's tough to tell what is really happening.

Your welcome. I like how Ware and Spencer flip flop before plays. I really think Spencer is the real deal. This guy gets around the corner fast. Canty is playing with alot of intensity. He even looks bigger to me. Hatcher is a monster. And Spears is really good against the run. I really think this d-line will make the secondary better. And about that angle, man i moved the second day to that side because they were doing the 11 on 11 the day before...and dont you know they flipped sides!

 

[Clove]

I have another 10 minutes of video from the saturday practice i didnt add. Most of it is incomplete passes and runs for no gain. From what i see, if this was a real game, the quaterbacks would be running for their life. The first team defense looks very dominant to me. I think the dump offs could be a problem but Bradie James looks faster and Roy is closer. Good observations tho.

I was thinking about this myself, and if you listen to all the play by play blogs, it seems like pressure is everywhere. Just have to wait until a scrimmage or a pre-season game I guess.

 

[Kilyin]

Geeze Louise. WHY YOU GETTIN' ALL WORKED UP? Just chill, dawg. Ain't no thing but a chicken wing.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

After all, that was all we needed last year.

That plus a coach who will scheme every once in a while.

As we've discussed all offseason, hitting the QB won't be a problem. I'm more concerned with how we play the run and how our LBs cover. (I'm assuming Hamlin will finally be a decent FS.)

 

[jobberone]

It sounds to me that the rush is there. But you're the one at TC. I understand your post as just a comment/question.

Are they blitzing and stunting? As others stated are they going full blast to the QB until the whistle blows? I doubt Phillips is unleashing the entire defensive array of schemes/plays the entire practice but again you are the one there.

And are you using more than that one practive to evaluate the pass rush?

 

[Sarge]

Watching the practice videos being posted up by EverlastingXXX (which are a godsend) you really notice something when watching the 11 on 11 drills.

(a) The defense is not getting to the QB, and
(b) The QB is able to simply step up, avoid the edge rush and dump it off to a TE or RB underneath.

With the angle, it's hard to tell how much those dump-offs are netting, but it was just something that caught my eye. It seems like the secondary has good coverage downfield, but the pass rush just isn't getting there. Recognizing that it's early on, and there's alot of time for improvement, what do you think about it? The flaw in the players execution of our defense from last year was apparent in the preseason, when teams went underneath to their backs for 10 yard gains consistently, so it's not like it's impossible to catch anything this early.

Just seems like the defensive linemen are ineffective. Watch Saturday's end to get an idea.

Uhh............too early.............

 

[EPL0c0]

Watching the practice videos being posted up by EverlastingXXX (which are a godsend) you really notice something when watching the 11 on 11 drills.

(a) The defense is not getting to the QB, and
(b) The QB is able to simply step up, avoid the edge rush and dump it off to a TE or RB underneath.

With the angle, it's hard to tell how much those dump-offs are netting, but it was just something that caught my eye. It seems like the secondary has good coverage downfield, but the pass rush just isn't getting there. Recognizing that it's early on, and there's alot of time for improvement, what do you think about it? The flaw in the players execution of our defense from last year was apparent in the preseason, when teams went underneath to their backs for 10 yard gains consistently, so it's not like it's impossible to catch anything this early.

Just seems like the defensive linemen are ineffective. Watch Saturday's end to get an idea.

No sir, it's not the defense... our QBs are just that damn GOOD! hehe

 

[blindzebra]

From my understanding today was the first time we used blitz packages, and based on the morning practice reports we were getting sacks left and right.