Too many soft players

[dboy214]

Zip your pie hole. I get sick of your crap you toss out here. Nobody cares if you were one of the 100000000's of us that have said we have some soft players on this team.

Go to bed

one of a 10000000?

where are they in this thread?

read it and weep.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192517

 

[KJJ]

No. I would call it a miracle though if Romo "led" the cowboys to 10 whole points and won a meaningful game. When special teams gifts you 10 and your defense comes to play good things happen.

Eli got sacked 6 times and was hit 22 times and still passed for 316 yards in the rain tossing 2 TD passes and had no turnovers. He had pressure in his face all day and led the Giants to win. The excuse some fans here use for the Cowboys dismal season is that Romo never had time to throw and was too busy running for his life. There wasn't one game this past season where Romo was under the kind of intense pressure Eli was under today.

In the playoffs all offenses face a lot of pressure the intensity level is at a fever pitch. Elite QB's find ways to get it done in big games regardless of the pressure they're under. Eli continues to separate himself from Romo and has solidified himself as a truly elite QB. He just led his team to the SB but you still have biased fans here knocking his game.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I think it starts with the corners. Take the position that is inherently the softest and make it physical. We don't have that. It was pretty sad when Jenkins was our most physical and best tackling corner. I also agree with what one of my friends said, the league should really work to get taller corners because WR's don't blow by guys that often and win too many jump ball situations. If a taller player doesn't quite have the speed, good safety play can help a bit with the deep stuff.

I would also like to say that all 4-teams in the championship games are far smarter than us. I'm not sure we are the softest team, but dumbest? Without question.






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[gbrittain]

Eli got sacked 6 times and was hit 22 times and still passed for 316 yards in the rain tossing 2 TD passes and had no turnovers. He had pressure in his face all day and led the Giants to win. The excuse some fans here use for the Cowboys dismal season is that Romo never had time to throw and was too busy running for his life. There wasn't one game this past season where Romo was under the kind of intense pressure Eli was under today.

In the playoffs all offenses face a lot of pressure the intensity level is at a fever pitch. Elite QB's find ways to get it done in big games regardless of the pressure they're under. Eli continues to separate himself from Romo and has solidified himself as a truly elite QB. He just led his team to the SB but you still have biased fans here knocking his game.

Well...I would disagree with some of that. He had an excellent season and sign me up for another one just like it. Now if you throw in an even better OL it stands to reason that you will get even better results. My friend that would be some impressive numbers.

 

[tyke1doe]

Eli got sacked 6 times and was hit 22 times and still passed for 316 yards in the rain tossing 2 TD passes and had no turnovers. He had pressure in his face all day and led the Giants to win. The excuse some fans here use for the Cowboys dismal season is that Romo never had time to throw and was too busy running for his life. There wasn't one game this past season where Romo was under the kind of intense pressure Eli was under today.

In the playoffs all offenses face a lot of pressure the intensity level is at a fever pitch. Elite QB's find ways to get it done in big games regardless of the pressure they're under. Eli continues to separate himself from Romo and has solidified himself as a truly elite QB. He just led his team to the SB but you still have biased fans here knocking his game.

I wouldn't say Romo never faced the kind of pressure Eli faced. But I agree with your overall post. Eli was playing against a great defense, and he was playing in the rain and in hostile territory. Okay, so he didn't complete many passes down the stretch. But he didn't fumble the ball when getting hit time after time by the Niners pass rush, and he threw no interceptions.

And what was equally impressive is that in a defense battle, Eli made just enough throws to move the Giants up field and, at the very least, change field possession. The Niners had to move from deep in their territory because Eli, even though drives stalled, made enough plays to have the Giants putting from the 40.

 

[tupperware]

The difference was the quarterbacking for sure. Maybe if the 49ers had someone just a wee bit better than Alex Smith they could have pulled it out. I guess you could make a case about that moron PR too.

 

[Rockytop6]

now we have to hear how great Eli was, when the Giants MVP was Kyle Williams of the 49ers!

I hate the Giants with a passion, yet, I hope the Giants and their fans rub JJ's nose in it. We can denigrate Eli and the Giants yet this will be their second trip to the SB in 3 years or 4? Whatever they say about us, we deserve it. I don't intend to watch the SB, the first one I've missed. I sat up in Germany after midnight to watch the SB but I don't like either team that is in this one.

 

[Clove]

Eli got sacked 6 times and was hit 22 times and still passed for 316 yards in the rain tossing 2 TD passes and had no turnovers. He had pressure in his face all day and led the Giants to win. The excuse some fans here use for the Cowboys dismal season is that Romo never had time to throw and was too busy running for his life. There wasn't one game this past season where Romo was under the kind of intense pressure Eli was under today.

In the playoffs all offenses face a lot of pressure the intensity level is at a fever pitch. Elite QB's find ways to get it done in big games regardless of the pressure they're under. Eli continues to separate himself from Romo and has solidified himself as a truly elite QB. He just led his team to the SB but you still have biased fans here knocking his game.

Save your breath man, but in this case, your typing because Romonians aren't trying to hear it. In their tiny world, Eli had ALL DAY to throw the ball. I heard it from more than one person in the game day thread, and yet I saw something totally different when we were watching the same game.

Being a homer means losing a bit of sense.

 

[tupperware]

Save your breath man, but in this case, your typing because Romonians aren't trying to hear it. In their tiny world, Eli had ALL DAY to throw the ball. I heard it from more than one person in the game day thread, and yet I saw something totally different when we were watching the same game.

Being a homer means losing a bit of sense.

Can I ask you an honest question and expect a reasonable answer? (A non troll type answer)

 

[Clove]

Can I ask you an honest question and expect a reasonable answer? (A non troll type answer)

You like using that word don't you? Makes you feel better? Ask away, but if you don't like honesty, don't bother.

 

[tupperware]

You like using that word don't you? Makes you feel better? Ask away, but if you don't like honesty, don't bother.

Well I defined troll as answers that just don't make sense, but here, let's open up the brain of Judas.

You said in another post you had analyzed Romo and finally saw all you needed to see about him. When and how did this happen? What made you focus in on Romo and what specifically did he do to make you once and for all know that he wasn't the answer for the Cowboys?

 

[Clove]

Well I defined troll as answers that just don't make sense, but here, let's open up the brain of Judas.

You said in another post you had analyzed Romo and finally saw all you needed to see about him. When and how did this happen? What made you focus in on Romo and what specifically did he do to make you once and for all know that he wasn't the answer for the Cowboys?

I've had millions of posts about this but I'll do this just for you.

First off, I actually like Romo. I don't like what he brings to the table as a football player, but he seems like a great guy, he has fun on the field, and he has a golden smile that eats up cameras.

But I personally don't care about all that stuff, I care about 1 thing. I PERSONALLY, believe you have to have a great QB and a great Coach to win in this league. Can a team win without it once or twice, sure. But history shows us that QBs are the difference, and then coaching.

There's a reason Quarterbacks get all the praise and all the blame. Eli was getting BLASTED by his fans mid way through the season, I wonder what they are saying now. I've played on teams with great QBs (mind you, it's obviously not the NFL or any other high up league, but they were the best in whatever league I was playing in), but they were missing something that made them championship caliber. It was usually how they did when we went up against the best. They weren't doing the things I was accustomed to them doing when we played other teams, so I moved on.

My point is, I loved Romo at one point. I wouldn't say I was his biggest fan, but I was a HUGE fan. I had jersey's, the whole bit. Then Terrell Owens came to town. Terrell Owens had no bigger fan than me. It really ticked me off the way he became a wimp about Owens instead of standing up and just getting it done. Was TO annoying? Sure, but who cares? Suck it up, have thick skin, and get it done.

To me, you have to have guts and thick skin to be not just an NFL Quarterback, but an NFL Quarterback for the most popular team in sports. He showed nothing but wimpery during that whole process and fans immediately took Romo's side and that to me was a true sign of mental weakness. I'll never forget the words of Parcells and the words of Owens. I believe Parcells' mentioned something about Romo's play ground slinger mentality, and Owens said we had a Romo problem.

Owens might know a thing or two about Quarterbacks since he's played with some pretty good ones, and actually went to a super bowl. So from there, I started to pay close attention to Romo's game. I didn't necessarily hate the player, but I wanted to take a step back and look at him. And I noticed that there was always excuses for the guy. I have never seen a group of people make so many excuses for one person in my life, they treat the guy like a son or a daughter.

So I started to watch what happens to him against top notch opponents. I noticed that he played differently in those types of games, as if the stage was too big for him. His reads were bad, from what I could see. I would see a lot of guys coming open, and he would be looking around for Witten, then sack.

This year, after he had those few bad games, he stopped being a playmaker and stopped taking chances for a while, until he went up against inferior talent. And although he didn't make the mistakes this year, he also didn't do ANYTHING special in those meaningful big games. He was cautious and thus, was JAG. When he's not taking chances, he's ordinary. But when he's taking chances, he's either the greatest QB around, or Favre.

His arm strenght is not bad, but it's not as strong as he thinks it is, and that's why he can't fit the ball CONSISTENTLY in small spaces like you see a lot of the play off QBs doing. Sometimes, he confuses his own offensive lines with his constant banter at the line, and on more than one occasion, he's caused the line to jump in to a false start. NOt to mention, delays because he's a tad confused about what the defense is doing. Then at times, his audibles are horrible, and his doesn't call the correct protection for the blitz coming, and or, doesn't make the proper reads on the blitz. Again, I mainly see this when we're playing GREAT teams.

When he's not on the big stage, he's lights out. He's basically unstoppable, but what good is a QB if he can't show up in games we need him? So again, although he didn't make the huge mistakes he's made in year's past, his conservative play in big games has made him a none factor in those games, leaving it up to the defense, which we ALL KNOW sucks.

At the end of the day, I belive in the percentages of drafting a 1st round QB. It does fail, but I can guarantee you that undrafted free agents almost always fail at the QB position.

I'm just ready to move on, and his fans drive me in sane with the constant excuses, so if they're going to make excuses, then I'm going to shoot those out of the water.

 

[tupperware]

I've had millions of posts about this but I'll do this just for you.

First off, I actually like Romo. I don't like what he brings to the table as a football player, but he seems like a great guy, he has fun on the field, and he has a golden smile that eats up cameras.

But I personally don't care about all that stuff, I care about 1 thing. I PERSONALLY, believe you have to have a great QB and a great Coach to win in this league. Can a team win without it once or twice, sure. But history shows us that QBs are the difference, and then coaching.

There's a reason Quarterbacks get all the praise and all the blame. Eli was getting BLASTED by his fans mid way through the season, I wonder what they are saying now. I've played on teams with great QBs (mind you, it's obviously not the NFL or any other high up league, but they were the best in whatever league I was playing in), but they were missing something that made them championship caliber. It was usually how they did when we went up against the best. They weren't doing the things I was accustomed to them doing when we played other teams, so I moved on.

My point is, I loved Romo at one point. I wouldn't say I was his biggest fan, but I was a HUGE fan. I had jersey's, the whole bit. Then Terrell Owens came to town. Terrell Owens had no bigger fan than me. It really ticked me off the way he became a wimp about Owens instead of standing up and just getting it done. Was TO annoying? Sure, but who cares? Suck it up, have thick skin, and get it done.

To me, you have to have guts and thick skin to be not just an NFL Quarterback, but an NFL Quarterback for the most popular team in sports. He showed nothing but wimpery during that whole process and fans immediately took Romo's side and that to me was a true sign of mental weakness. I'll never forget the words of Parcells and the words of Owens. I believe Parcells' mentioned something about Romo's play ground slinger mentality, and Owens said we had a Romo problem.

Owens might know a thing or two about Quarterbacks since he's played with some pretty good ones, and actually went to a super bowl. So from there, I started to pay close attention to Romo's game. I didn't necessarily hate the player, but I wanted to take a step back and look at him. And I noticed that there was always excuses for the guy. I have never seen a group of people make so many excuses for one person in my life, they treat the guy like a son or a daughter.

So I started to watch what happens to him against top notch opponents. I noticed that he played differently in those types of games, as if the stage was too big for him. His reads were bad, from what I could see. I would see a lot of guys coming open, and he would be looking around for Witten, then sack.

This year, after he had those few bad games, he stopped being a playmaker and stopped taking chances for a while, until he went up against inferior talent. And although he didn't make the mistakes this year, he also didn't do ANYTHING special in those meaningful big games. He was cautious and thus, was JAG. When he's not taking chances, he's ordinary. But when he's taking chances, he's either the greatest QB around, or Favre.

His arm strenght is not bad, but it's not as strong as he thinks it is, and that's why he can't fit the ball CONSISTENTLY in small spaces like you see a lot of the play off QBs doing. Sometimes, he confuses his own offensive lines with his constant banter at the line, and on more than one occasion, he's caused the line to jump in to a false start. NOt to mention, delays because he's a tad confused about what the defense is doing. Then at times, his audibles are horrible, and his doesn't call the correct protection for the blitz coming, and or, doesn't make the proper reads on the blitz. Again, I mainly see this when we're playing GREAT teams.

When he's not on the big stage, he's lights out. He's basically unstoppable, but what good is a QB if he can't show up in games we need him? So again, although he didn't make the huge mistakes he's made in year's past, his conservative play in big games has made him a none factor in those games, leaving it up to the defense, which we ALL KNOW sucks.

At the end of the day, I belive in the percentages of drafting a 1st round QB. It does fail, but I can guarantee you that undrafted free agents almost always fail at the QB position.

I'm just ready to move on, and his fans drive me in sane with the constant excuses, so if they're going to make excuses, then I'm going to shoot those out of the water.

Okay so, hear me out then. Let's go ahead and run with the fact that Romo may not be the best QB around. Isn't he good enough to win? Is he really the problem in Dallas? Is it easier to draft a Rodgers and Manning as it is to simply build around what you have in Romo? Why can't good be enough? I don't think Romo has to be the best thing since sliced bread for this team to go to a Superbowl and the fact that franchise QBs don't come around all too often I'd like to think it would be easier for us to win by focusing on a lot of the other weaknesses on our team. Is it not fair to say that Romo might not be the solution, but he's also not the problem?

In my mind, this team can go to a SB and win it with Romo at the helm.

 

[Clove]

Okay so, hear me out then. Let's go ahead and run with the fact that Romo may not be the best QB around. Isn't he good enough to win? Is he really the problem in Dallas? Is it easier to draft a Rodgers and Manning as it is to simply build around what you have in Romo? Why can't good be enough? I don't think Romo has to be the best thing since sliced bread for this team to go to a Superbowl and the fact that franchise QBs don't come around all too often I'd like to think it would be easier for us to win by focusing on a lot of the other weaknesses on our team. Is it not fair to say that Romo might not be the solution, but he's also not the problem?

In my mind, this team can go to a SB and win it with Romo at the helm.

This seems like the smart thing to do but we've been doing this for years. At what point do you say, it's just not what we need.

I just don't want to go another 4 years in the same direction trying to add a piece here and a piece there to make it work. I'll say this, had we been a consistently and a perenial play off winner and we were competing for the NFC title more years than not, I would have a totally different mind-set. But we can't even be competative anymore. We went to a couple of play offs, but were a complete none factor. Even if you don't have an all star line or an all star defense, your QB alone should at least make you very VERY competative, and you would know that you just needed to add a piece here and a piece there to make it all come together.

Romo has serious trade value right now, just like Herchel (sp?) Walker did. Fans were furious when we traded our version of Romo back in the day. They weren't so ticked off a few years after that.

But it won't happen, so it's meaningless talking about it. So my only hope now is that either Callahan can do something with Romo, or Jerry builds the best OFFENSIVE line this world has ever seen, that or the best defense this NFL has ever seen.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I'm not going to get dragged into these insane long dissertations because they are so filled with holes.

Yeah those bright lights were too bright for Romo in New Orleans when they were 13-0. Same bright lights back to back against Philly to get into the playoffs.

And if either one of you two (it's always the same two, the hanger-oners as the number of Romo haters dwindles due to lack of material) don't for one second think that Eli got away with three throws today then you didn't watch the same game.

In fact those throws were so bad that the reason they didn't get picked was that TWO defenders had clean chances at them but got knocked by each other,

Did he hang in under pressure? Yes. Did he make some good throws? Yes. Did they win the game? Yes. Nobody would argue that.

But he made some horrible decisions that he got away with. That is a fact and you can't argue that.

Get ready...here comes War And Peace.

 

[Clove]

btw, this is the first time I've had an unbiased intellectual conversation candidly by a Romo fan. I usually get the conventional, you're a troll, Romo is the team, you're just a hater. Romo has no team around him, you know, just foolishness. So since they want to talk foolishly, I return the favor.

I can't seem to have a decent discussion about the guy because his fans totally FREAK OUT!

 

[Clove]

I'm not going to get dragged into these insane long dissertations because they are so filled with holes.

Yeah those bright lights were too bright for Romo in New Orleans when they were 13-0. Same bright lights back to back against Philly to get into the playoffs.

And if either one of you two (it's always the same two, the hanger-oners as the number of Romo haters dwindles due to lack of material) don't for one second think that Eli got away with three throws today then you didn't watch the same game.

In fact those throws were so bad that the reason they didn't get picked was that TWO defenders had clean chances at them but got knocked by each other,

Did he hang in under pressure? Yes. Did he make some good throws? Yes. Did they win the game? Yes. Nobody would argue that.

But he made some horrible decisions that he got away with. That is a fact and you can't argue that.

Get ready...here comes War And Peace.

This is my point exactly. You're the poster child for why Romo haters REALLY hate the guy. NO matter how you cut it, his defense doesn't do all the work like you wished they did. The guy simply makes plays. He takes chances but he generally takes smart chances.

Did he get away with some stuff? Yes. So did the other team. But he hung in there, and when it was all on the line, he delivered. And his special teams did come through, but he was a star today, no matter how you look at it. If he were playing for us, you would be in love with the guy for how he plays.

 

[tupperware]

I'm not going to get dragged into these insane long dissertations because they are so filled with holes.

Yeah those bright lights were too bright for Romo in New Orleans when they were 13-0. Same bright lights back to back against Philly to get into the playoffs.

And if either one of you two (it's always the same two, the hanger-oners as the number of Romo haters dwindles due to lack of material) don't for one second think that Eli got away with three throws today then you didn't watch the same game.

In fact those throws were so bad that the reason they didn't get picked was that TWO defenders had clean chances at them but got knocked by each other,

Did he hang in under pressure? Yes. Did he make some good throws? Yes. Did they win the game? Yes. Nobody would argue that.

But he made some horrible decisions that he got away with. That is a fact and you can't argue that.

Get ready...here comes War And Peace.

I'm just trying to figure out the reasoning. I went back and checked his post history and it seems like he jumped off the Romo wagon somewhere in 2008. I can cope with someones reasoning to dislike a particular thing or player on our team if I fully understand the reasoning for it (Even if I don't agree with it)

I know there are plenty of things about this team I've heavily been against and disliked over the years. I've even thrown lots of criticism Romos way. I'm just not under the impression Romo is the problem with our team.

 

[risco]

After watching these two teams, Dallas probably has the softest team in the league.

It's not about being soft. You don't get to this level of play being soft. Dallas has too many professionals and not enough non-professionals.

 

[tupperware]

btw, this is the first time I've had an unbiased intellectual conversation candidly by a Romo fan. I usually get the conventional, you're a troll, Romo is the team, you're just a hater. Romo has no team around him, you know, just foolishness. So since they want to talk foolishly, I return the favor.

I can't seem to have a decent discussion about the guy because his fans totally FREAK OUT!

I label myself a Cowboy fan. I have no player allegiances. I want whatever is best for our team.