Trade back from 28 could happen

[rambo2]

They can still trade Romo to Denver for example flip 28 for pick 20 and get pick 82. They then could trade back from 20 for more picks.

 

[Alexander]

Starting to expect it to happen unless there really is a player there that slides down for some weird reason.

They are going to need more bodies out of the draft.

 

[Risen Star]

People want to trade down every year. It's always the answer.

 

[stilltheguru88]

I keep seeing sites with Corey Davis falling to 28. Honestly, we either draft him or trade down. If we don't then we can safely say dallasdoesnt really do BPA because I can't see how he isn't easily a better option than the other guys at 28. I think if he participated at the combine he'd go much higher. TO/Julio vibes from him.

 

[Silverstar]

I keep seeing sites with Corey Davis falling to 28. Honestly, we either draft him or trade down. If we don't then we can safely say dallasdoesnt really do BPA because I can't see how he isn't easily a better option than the other guys at 28. I think if he participated at the combine he'd go much higher. TO/Julio vibes from him.

Don't forget the speedy Evan Engram who is only about 10lbs heavier than Dez. He could be used in the slot or as a wide out IMO. This guy is for real and a nightmare for DB's. Dak's new BFF?

http://olemiss.247sports.com/Articl...Tight-End-Evan-Engram-A-First-Round--51771533

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2017...an-engram-potential-dallas-cowboys-draft-pick

 

[stilltheguru88]

Don't forget the speedy Evan Engram who is only about 10lbs heavier than Dez. He could be used in the slot or as a wide out IMO. This guy is for real and a nightmare for DB's. Dak's new BFF?

http://olemiss.247sports.com/Articl...Tight-End-Evan-Engram-A-First-Round--51771533

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2017...an-engram-potential-dallas-cowboys-draft-pick

My thing with him is, why draft if when he is basically just a wr? Why not just get a wr? Real question

 

[Alexander]

My thing with him is, why draft if when he is basically just a wr? Why not just get a wr? Real question

This is one player that scares me.

Perhaps it is our failure with Escobar that has jaded me, but I just don't see a rational reason why we would even bother.

It is all nice to think about all these "weapons", it is another thing to use them practically.

That seems to be a struggle for this staff between using the real talents like Elliott versus forcing role players in there like Dunbar.

 

[Silverstar]

My thing with him is, why draft if when he is basically just a wr? Why not just get a wr? Real question

Not many big receivers (6-2 or taller) with Engram's size/speed ratio.

If Engram and Davis were both there it would be a tough call, because Davis is not from one of the power 5 conferences and you won't have any workout numbers to help your decision.

Which is why he would fall to 28 in the first place. It's nice to know your 1st round receiver has the speed to get behind NFL DB's. Does Davis also have 4.4 speed like Engram or can he jump as high or bench as good etc? We'll never know, because he's not participating at his pro day either.

 

[gmoney112]

My thing with him is, why draft if when he is basically just a wr? Why not just get a wr? Real question

Because of size/speed an the ability to play him attached or flexed. You can basically create a mismatch on any down when you have a 235 pound dude that's faster than Julio Jones (yeah it's the 40, still crazy).

Gronk and Reed both were moved to outside WR and played slot a ton. You have to have size AND speed to cover them.

A team doesn't have a lot of size at outside corner? You can put him out and he's going to be 5 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier, and there's a good chance he'll be faster. All of a sudden the safety has to look for over the top as well as trying to break on a route early to prevent him shielding, and that's not counting the Dez affect, as well as opening it up for Beasley underneath. That's why Edelman and Gronk were so good.

Or, you can put him in the slot against other teams and use his speed/size in the open field to shield. They're going to try and pick him up with a LB? Good luck. They roll a slot receiver over him? Nice try. If the defender is also caught in the wrong leverage, he can just take them deep right down the middle of the field.

His blocking isn't as bad as some people let on. He's not great, but he's workable and gives effort. He's also good on the 2nd level.

I think he has potential to be better than Jordan Reed, so i'm okay with that pick. You're basically taking a monster at WR, and Witten's replacement. If people are looking for WR and concerned about Witten, they just need to look at Engram.

And I was saying a trade back in this draft was a definite possibility a long time ago. I saved ya'll some seats.

 

[Alexander]

Because of size/speed an the ability to play him attached or flexed. You can basically create a mismatch on any down when you have a 235 pound dude that's faster than Julio Jones (yeah it's the 40, still crazy).

Gronk and Reed both were moved to outside WR and played slot a ton. You have to have size AND speed to cover them.

A team doesn't have a lot of size at outside corner? You can put him out and he's going to be 5 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier, and there's a good chance he'll be faster. All of a sudden the safety has to look for over the top as well as trying to break on a route early to prevent him shielding, and that's not counting the Dez affect, as well as opening it up for Beasley underneath. That's why Edelman and Gronk were so good.

Or, you can put him in the slot against other teams and use his speed/size in the open field to shield. They're going to try and pick him up with a LB? Good luck. They roll a slot receiver over him? Nice try. If the defender is also caught in the wrong leverage, he can just take them deep right down the middle of the field.

His blocking isn't as bad as some people let on. He's not great, but he's workable and gives effort. He's also good on the 2nd level.

I think he has potential to be better than Jordan Reed, so i'm okay with that pick. You're basically taking a monster at WR, and Witten's replacement. If people are looking for WR and concerned about Witten, they just need to look at Engram.

And I was saying a trade back in this draft was a definite possibility a long time ago. I saved ya'll some seats.

All of this is fine and dandy in theory.

In practice, it has not been the case with us for whatever reason.

In terms of concepts and multiple packages, that has been a problem area for Garrett and Linehan.

You are talking about New England and Washington. Those teams had two of the more creative schemes in the league.

Dallas seems to be much more about just being simple and execute. Works okay most of the time, but you have to have upper shelf talent.

I don't think that philosophy should drive who we draft. If so, you get players like Escobar that overall end up becoming gimmick players you spend premium choices on.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Not many big receivers (6-2 or taller) with Engram's size/speed ratio.

If Engram and Davis were both there it would be a tough call, because Davis is not from one of the power 5 conferences and you won't have any workout numbers to help your decision.

Which is why he would fall to 28 in the first place. It's nice to know your 1st round receiver has the speed to get behind NFL DB's. Does Davis also have 4.4 speed like Engram or can he jump as high or bench as good etc? We'll never know, because he's not participating at his pro day either.

If you watch his tape you wouldn't ask that question. Corey is a burner. You can watch him with the ball and Dez with the ball and see the different levels. I don't need the combine to know



1:50 mark is elite explosion. That's just me though

 

[stilltheguru88]

Because of size/speed an the ability to play him attached or flexed. You can basically create a mismatch on any down when you have a 235 pound dude that's faster than Julio Jones (yeah it's the 40, still crazy).

Gronk and Reed both were moved to outside WR and played slot a ton. You have to have size AND speed to cover them.

A team doesn't have a lot of size at outside corner? You can put him out and he's going to be 5 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier, and there's a good chance he'll be faster. All of a sudden the safety has to look for over the top as well as trying to break on a route early to prevent him shielding, and that's not counting the Dez affect, as well as opening it up for Beasley underneath. That's why Edelman and Gronk were so good.

Or, you can put him in the slot against other teams and use his speed/size in the open field to shield. They're going to try and pick him up with a LB? Good luck. They roll a slot receiver over him? Nice try. If the defender is also caught in the wrong leverage, he can just take them deep right down the middle of the field.

His blocking isn't as bad as some people let on. He's not great, but he's workable and gives effort. He's also good on the 2nd level.

I think he has potential to be better than Jordan Reed, so i'm okay with that pick. You're basically taking a monster at WR, and Witten's replacement. If people are looking for WR and concerned about Witten, they just need to look at Engram.

And I was saying a trade back in this draft was a definite possibility a long time ago. I saved ya'll some seats.

I will watch his film again

 

[gmoney112]

All of this is fine and dandy in theory.

In practice, it has not been the case with us for whatever reason.

In terms of concepts and multiple packages, that has been a problem area for Garrett and Linehan.

You are talking about New England and Washington. Those teams had two of the more creative schemes in the league.

Dallas seems to be much more about just being simple and execute. Works okay most of the time, but you have to have upper shelf talent.

I don't think that philosophy should drive who we draft. If so, you get players like Escobar that overall end up becoming gimmick players you spend premium choices on.

Well, Escobar isn't even in the same discussion. God that dude just looked big and slow. What a bust.

Anyways, I agree with you about simplicity and execution. Most of these TEs are just lining up and beating their man though. Yeah they get schemed sometimes, but for the most part they run normal route trees and have normal reads.

Thomas was another one off the top of my head, with the Broncos SB year. I'm "working" so can't look at all.

Its hard to tell, all of our TE's have just been slow as dirt. He'd look like Usain Bolt running next to them.

 

[gmoney112]

I will watch his film again

I didn't see original comments, but if the choice was between Davis and Engram, you take Davis.

I was just thinking of players who will actually be there, which I doubt Davis will be. Don't some have him #1 WR?

 

[stilltheguru88]

I didn't see original comments, but if the choice was between Davis and Engram, you take Davis.

I was just thinking of players who will actually be there, which I doubt Davis will be. Don't some have him #1 WR?

I go off walterfootball. They are the most legit website. They have him ranked like 30 on their big board.

 

[reddyuta]

Because of size/speed an the ability to play him attached or flexed. You can basically create a mismatch on any down when you have a 235 pound dude that's faster than Julio Jones (yeah it's the 40, still crazy).

Gronk and Reed both were moved to outside WR and played slot a ton. You have to have size AND speed to cover them.

A team doesn't have a lot of size at outside corner? You can put him out and he's going to be 5 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier, and there's a good chance he'll be faster. All of a sudden the safety has to look for over the top as well as trying to break on a route early to prevent him shielding, and that's not counting the Dez affect, as well as opening it up for Beasley underneath. That's why Edelman and Gronk were so good.

Or, you can put him in the slot against other teams and use his speed/size in the open field to shield. They're going to try and pick him up with a LB? Good luck. They roll a slot receiver over him? Nice try. If the defender is also caught in the wrong leverage, he can just take them deep right down the middle of the field.

His blocking isn't as bad as some people let on. He's not great, but he's workable and gives effort. He's also good on the 2nd level.

I think he has potential to be better than Jordan Reed, so i'm okay with that pick. You're basically taking a monster at WR, and Witten's replacement. If people are looking for WR and concerned about Witten, they just need to look at Engram.

And I was saying a trade back in this draft was a definite possibility a long time ago. I saved ya'll some seats.

I think Engram will go before Mike Williams, would you rather have a 4.4 TE who catches everything and runs good routes or a slow 4.6 WR?. We don't have to worry about this because he will be gone before 28.

 

[CATCH17]

I dont see it happening. Cowboys value the 5th year option too much

Yep.

When you're drafting that late i'd go for the quantity unless a guy you have targeted falls.


We've made some good picks at the end of the first here lately so we'll see. I was so disappointed with how we took Jaylon Smith last year. Talk about a wasted opportunity.