Trade Back Mock with SF + 2,5

[Aliencowboy]

Dallas trades back to 30 with SF
1000 16 = 30 620 2 (340) 5 (23)
Dallas gets: 1 (30) 2 (56) 5 (170)
Draft:
1 (30) Dee Ford DE
2 (48) Dominique Easley DT
2 (56) Billy Turner OT
3 (78) Marcus Smith DE
4 (119) Davonte Coleman DT
5 (158) Trai Turner OG
5 (170) Brandon Thomas OG/OT
7 (231) Jeff Janis WR
7 (238) Aaron Murray QB
7 (251) Chris Whaley DT

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I can't see that happening. Even if the points may add up, think about it. Last season we made the same trade with the same team and only got an extra mid-3rd. There's no way they would give us a 2nd and 5th. We've already showed our hand. They won't respect us anymore.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I can't see that happening. Even if the points may add up, think about it. Last season we made the same trade with the same team and only got an extra mid-3rd. There's no way they would give us a 2nd and 5th. We've already showed our hand. They won't respect us anymore.

Agreed.

They totally raped us last year on the points chart. The fact that Stephen tried to cover for it by saying "it was fair value on our chart" was just sad.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Agreed.

They totally raped us last year on the points chart. The fact that Stephen tried to cover for it by saying "it was fair value on our chart" was just sad.

We made great picks. But that doesn't excuse the fact that we got raped. And I think it'll hurt us in future trades. Think of it like you sell a product. The product is worth $200, but you sold it to someone last week for $120. Every time you try to sell it for $200, people are gonna say, "I'm not paying that when you sold it to what's-his-face for $120."

 

[cowboyschmps3]

Murray won't last too 7th round, and don't think we trade back, only stay at 16 or move infront of 11

 

[Fredd]

so, even if that trade did happen (and it wouldn't), the cowboy don't spend their first picks and 7 of 10 (we actually have 6 - 7th rounders) in the trenches

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I can't see that happening. Even if the points may add up, think about it. Last season we made the same trade with the same team and only got an extra mid-3rd. There's no way they would give us a 2nd and 5th. We've already showed our hand. They won't respect us anymore.

If they want a player bad enough, they will pay the price. If Dallas wants to trade down bad enough they will take whatever offer they get. It has nothing to do with respect. It has to do with who is willing to pay the price. With that said we have to have a player fall that another team really wants.

 

[xwalker]

Dallas trades back to 30 with SF
1000 16 = 30 620 2 (340) 5 (23)
Dallas gets: 1 (30) 2 (56) 5 (170)
Draft:
1 (30) Dee Ford DE
2 (48) Dominique Easley DT
2 (56) Billy Turner OT
3 (78) Marcus Smith DE
4 (119) Davonte Coleman DT
5 (158) Trai Turner OG
5 (170) Brandon Thomas OG/OT
7 (231) Jeff Janis WR
7 (238) Aaron Murray QB
7 (251) Chris Whaley DT

Trai Turner is probably a 4th or 3rd.

Aaron is probably a 4th or 3rd.

I recommend using the NFLDS (CBS) rankings and giving yourself a +/- of about 10 in the first round and try to be with about 1/2 a round in the 2nd through 7th.

 

[AbeBeta]

Agreed.

They totally raped us last year on the points chart. The fact that Stephen tried to cover for it by saying "it was fair value on our chart" was just sad.

It was consistent with other trades that year. The value chart is pretty outdated and likely moves around year to year based on depth of the draft and depth at high value positions.

The idea that the value chart is some sort of absolute is laughable.

 

[Beast_from_East]

It was consistent with other trades that year. The value chart is pretty outdated and likely moves around year to year based on depth of the draft and depth at high value positions.

The idea that the value chart is some sort of absolute is laughable.

I don't know, I just watched the Draft Show over at DC.com and Ed Cahill said we left a 2nd rounder on the table last year in that trade down and we need to get better value this year if we trade down again.

Seems like the guy doing his show from inside Valley Ranch would have access to the "new charts", but he seems to think we got raped as well.

 

[Future]

Agreed.

They totally raped us last year on the points chart. The fact that Stephen tried to cover for it by saying "it was fair value on our chart" was just sad.

Or maybe Dallas didn't give a rip b/c they didn't particularly like anybody at 16 or whatever, so they just took something decent rather than a player, i.e. floyd, that they didn't particularly want.

Its annoying how people stick to these trade value charts like they are gospel.

 

[Aliencowboy]

Trai Turner is probably a 4th or 3rd.

Aaron is probably a 4th or 3rd.

I recommend using the NFLDS (CBS) rankings and giving yourself a +/- of about 10 in the first round and try to be with about 1/2 a round in the 2nd through 7th.

I'm using drafttek and picking no one earlier than the slotted pick. Their board and nfl draft scout has been accurate in the past. Less bias in general. In some cases, the guy is picked half a round later than mine but if u want the guy and think he's worth it why not.

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't know, I just watched the Draft Show over at DC.com and Ed Cahill said we left a 2nd rounder on the table last year in that trade down and we need to get better value this year if we trade down again.

Seems like the guy doing his show from inside Valley Ranch would have access to the "new charts", but he seems to think we got raped as well.

Right. The guy from doing his show inside Valley Ranch would have better information than the guys actually making the picks - guys who said the charts were outdated.

Like I said. The idea that there is one absolute chart is ridiculous. If you have a draft that has a good 30 guys who are rated as solid first round talent then the value of a pick is far different from one where there is a big drop off after pick 15.

This is a basic critical thinking error that many people. There are rarely absolute answers - context plays a huge role

 

[Tobal]

You know that's just dumb, the chart is nothing more than Kelley Blue Book, if you want that car and the guy doesn't need to sell it, you are going to pay over. If the guy needs the money and you don't have to have his car, you are going to get a better deal.

Dallas didn't want to draft anyone there, it doesn't mean they won't love someone at 16 this year. If Aaron Donald is there and Dallas is on the clock it will cost more than the chart shows to get that pick. If you refuse to deviate from the chart, you might never get that car you want or you might be stuck with a car you don't like, because you are to stubborn to sale it below market.