Trades are due (Parcells Draft History ll)

[Clove]

I've already had a thread named "what is Parcells thinking?".
It was based on letting the public know Parcells drafting philosophies. In that thread, I talked about how Parcells has never drafted an OT since he's been a head coach in 22 years. He drafted 2 OG's in the 1st round and one of them may have been turned into a TAckle.

But in the last 16 years, Parcells has never drafted a Tackle or Guard in the 1st round. He's mostly drafted Linebackers and WR's.

If you want me to give his draft stats, just request them and I would put them down, but for this thread, I will focus on trades.

The NFL has had 7 rounds of draft since 1994, meaning you get 7 players.
Here is a look at how many players Parcells has drafted since 1994 by the year.
(highlighted numbers indicate more than 7 picks)

New England Cowboys
1994 - 9 players -
1995 - 6 players -
1996 - 11 players -

Jets
1997 - 10 picks
1998 - 11 picks
1999 - 8 picks

Cowboys
2003 - 7
2004 - 7
2005 - 8
2006 - ???

Parcells was super aggressive with the Patriots and Jets with regard to having tons of picks. This ,IMO, is why he made it to the SuperBowl so quickly with those teams. (or championship games)

Parcells genius is thru the draft. He likes to draft linebackers/Wide receivers/ and guards/ and I can show proof of that, but only if it's requested.
IMO, Parcells wasted 2 years thinking he had something he didn't have. His drafts were completely out of character the 1st 2 years, and I think it's because of Zimmer being kept on staff. Usually, Parcells goes heavy with defense his first couple of years..

For some reason, he allowed Zimmer to run his scheme and thus, he didn't concentrate on defenders in the draft, by evidence of Parcells drafting only 5 defenders in his first 2 seasons here. He drafted 6 last year.

But Parcells has shown a propensity for acquiring tons of picks. He has had 9 picks or more with New England twice, and twice with the Jets. Not even once with the boys...

My point is, look for Parcells to become a trading maniac in this years draft (if history proves anything)

This could be the biggest draft here Parcells has had...Your thoughts.....

 

[fortdick]

I very much hope you are correct! I would love to see Parcell's trade our #18 for a leter first andmaybe a third or fourth.

I would prefer even more to see him trade for considerations next year. I would give up our first this year to a team like Oakland for their first next year. It isn;t likely but I would like to see us in the BRady Quinn hunt next year.

 

[Clove]

I very much hope you are correct! I would love to see Parcell's trade our #18 for a leter first andmaybe a third or fourth.

I would prefer even more to see him trade for considerations next year. I would give up our first this year to a team like Oakland for their first next year. It isn;t likely but I would like to see us in the BRady Quinn hunt next year.

As long as we can still get what we need at OT and OLB and the rest of the areas we need to fill this year, I'm all for adding something in for next year.

 

[nathanlt]

OK, I'll bite....

Who are the New England Cowboys!!!??



Hang in there, brother, it's day one of the offseason.

 

[Clove]

All this time, and nobody told me I wrote that....lmao. Thanks dude.

 

[RoundRock Fan]

I very much hope you are correct! I would love to see Parcell's trade our #18 for a leter first andmaybe a third or fourth.

I would prefer even more to see him trade for considerations next year. I would give up our first this year to a team like Oakland for their first next year. It isn;t likely but I would like to see us in the BRady Quinn hunt next year.

I think the same

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Okay, so what/who does he trade? draft picks? players? Is Glover a piece he's dangling out in front of would-be suitors? If so, who's interested in an over-30 D-lineman?

Who on offense would be potential trade bait? Henson? MBIII?

I hope this is one of those drafts where we pick up between 9-11 players. I just don't see how we're going to get there this year.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I've already had a thread named "what is Parcells thinking?".
It was based on letting the public know Parcells drafting philosophies. In that thread, I talked about how Parcells has never drafted an OT since he's been a head coach in 22 years. He drafted 2 OG's in the 1st round and one of them may have been turned into a TAckle.

But in the last 16 years, Parcells has never drafted a Tackle or Guard in the 1st round. He's mostly drafted Linebackers and WR's.

If you want me to give his draft stats, just request them and I would put them down, but for this thread, I will focus on trades.

The NFL has had 7 rounds of draft since 1994, meaning you get 7 players.
Here is a look at how many players Parcells has drafted since 1994 by the year.
(highlighted numbers indicate more than 7 picks)

New England Cowboys
1994 - 9 players -
1995 - 6 players -
1996 - 11 players -

Jets
1997 - 10 picks
1998 - 11 picks
1999 - 8 picks

Cowboys
2003 - 7
2004 - 7
2005 - 8
2006 - ???

Parcells was super aggressive with the Patriots and Jets with regard to having tons of picks. This ,IMO, is why he made it to the SuperBowl so quickly with those teams. (or championship games)

Parcells genius is thru the draft. He likes to draft linebackers/Wide receivers/ and guards/ and I can show proof of that, but only if it's requested.
IMO, Parcells wasted 2 years thinking he had something he didn't have. His drafts were completely out of character the 1st 2 years, and I think it's because of Zimmer being kept on staff. Usually, Parcells goes heavy with defense his first couple of years..

For some reason, he allowed Zimmer to run his scheme and thus, he didn't concentrate on defenders in the draft, by evidence of Parcells drafting only 5 defenders in his first 2 seasons here. He drafted 6 last year.

But Parcells has shown a propensity for acquiring tons of picks. He has had 9 picks or more with New England twice, and twice with the Jets. Not even once with the boys...

My point is, look for Parcells to become a trading maniac in this years draft (if history proves anything)

This could be the biggest draft here Parcells has had...Your thoughts.....

How many times? Parcells has drafted Tackles in the first round. Here is a link that shows every position drafted by every team, every year. You will notice that he has in fact drafted Tackles in the first round.

http://www.drafthistory.com/by_position.html

 

[Clove]

How many times? Parcells has drafted Tackles in the first round. Here is a link that shows every position drafted by every team, every year. You will notice that he has in fact drafted Tackles in the first round.

http://www.drafthistory.com/by_position.html

He drafted William Roberts G in 1984 (22 years ago), He was listed as a guard - http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1984

Eric Moore G in 1988 (18 years ago) listed as a guard as well - http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1988

and a center Brian Williams C (1989 17 years ago). Listed as a Center - http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1989 .
These are all 1st rounders.

These guys were drafted as Guards and Centers, and maybe he turned 1 or 2 of them into Tackles, but they were listed as Guards and a Center. Also, he did not have 100% control over his drafts back then, but since New England, he hasn't even come close to drafting a Tackle in the 1st round.

 

[dwmyers]

He drafted William Roberts G in 1984 (22 years ago), He was listed as a guard - http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1984

Eric Moore G in 1988 (18 years ago) listed as a guard as well - http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1988

and a center Brian Williams C (1989 17 years ago). Listed as a Center - http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1989 .
These are all 1st rounders.

These guys were drafted as Guards and Centers, and maybe he turned 1 or 2 of them into Tackles, but they were listed as Guards and a Center. Also, he did not have 100% control over his drafts back then, but since New England, he hasn't even come close to drafting a Tackle in the 1st round.

The problem with this analysis is that Parcells was not in charge of the drafts with the New York Giants. George Young was. George Young was the architect that built the powerhouse Giants teams of the 1980s.

Here is a reference to an article Joel Buschbaum wrote about George Young:

http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/features_2001/young_121001.asp

Here is Dr Elefant, a long time contributor to alt.sports.football.pro.ny-giants, talking about George Young and *his* attitude towards linemen:

ref thread: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-giants/browse_frm/thread/33566db9b0ad39b7/483d94c2aa2c4f6a?lnk=st&q=football+Giants+draft+philosophy&rnum=9&hl=en#483d94c2aa2c4f6a

HatsNB...@mail.con (Hats N Bats) wrote:

>I do not believe in
>first round picks going on an OL, a DL definitely but never an OL.
>It's just my philosphy.


This was also the philosophy of George Young. In an interview many years ago,
he stated that there are always good OL players available in the later rounds.
I know the Giants did go for a couple of OL players in the early rounds during
his days as GM, but he did say that this was his philosophy. I guess it was
more of a *guideline* than a *rule* because he did like to go after the "best
player available."
DocE

Note that it wasn't Parcells who selected Phil Simms. George Young did.



It wasn't Parcells who selected the Giants vaunted linebacker corps. George Young did.



Part of the reason Parcells moved on was to have more control over football
operations. My understanding is that these two weren't exactly chum-chum.

David.

 

[texastwister]

Not disagreeing with you but dont you think alot of not getting draft picks is 1 we have had bad drafts. When we lose FA we dont get extra picks. 2 Teams know with FA the only way to build a team is through the draft not trading away picks. I would like us to trade down but most teams wont part with mid rd draft picks which is what we need.
Every year they talk about the top ten in the draft trading down. Why doesnt this happen as the Saints. You have to give up too much for what you get in return.
The only way I see us really awuiring picks in by tradinga away Glover or Ellis which I am against unless a high second rd or 1st rd pick or 2 filling all needs FA and trading down just to aquire more picks for 3 and 4th rd players which doesnt make sense.
You have to be in a situation like NE and Denver the last few years and just drop spots to aquire more picks. My question is if you get 10 draft picks what good does it do you when most wont make the team due to the vetrans and salary cap issues. So you get 10 players and 6 make the team you wasted 4 picks. I would rather keep picks and just draft better quality players. Most guys in the 6th and 7th are just gamble that might make the team but most need time to develop and with the current roster situation it is hard to drag them along. See Tom Crowder

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He drafted William Roberts G in 1984 (22 years ago), He was listed as a guard - http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1984

Eric Moore G in 1988 (18 years ago) listed as a guard as well - http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1988

and a center Brian Williams C (1989 17 years ago). Listed as a Center - http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1989 .
These are all 1st rounders.

These guys were drafted as Guards and Centers, and maybe he turned 1 or 2 of them into Tackles, but they were listed as Guards and a Center. Also, he did not have 100% control over his drafts back then, but since New England, he hasn't even come close to drafting a Tackle in the 1st round.

I don't agree. Check out the draft link I posted. Clearly, all were Tackles coming out. They may have ended up as Guards but they weren't drafted as Guards coming out. Think about it. Why would you draft a Guard in the 1st round but never a Tackle?

 

[Clove]

I don't agree. Check out the draft link I posted. Clearly, all were Tackles coming out. They may have ended up as Guards but they weren't drafted as Guards coming out. Think about it. Why would you draft a Guard in the 1st round but never a Tackle?

2 things. Just like Dwmyers said, Parcells was not in control of the drafts back then and secondly, this was back in 1988 (18 years ago).

Since then, he has not even sniffed a T in the 1st round. You can find great players later on in the rounds. That's why I can almost, I will not say never, but almost bet that he will not go Tackle in the 1st round.